Originally posted by Pheace

 

Originally posted by Shifty360

That video is much better and actually shows something.

Far from complete stealth and very temporary, seeing that she only had it up for a few seconds.

 

Because she dropped it of course ^^ + stealth never seems complete from your own point of view.

 

It's clearly intended to make you "disappear from your opponents screen"

Of course it bloody makes you disappear, that is why it is a stealth ability.

I am not denying that it is stealth, only that it is not complete stealth.

From my point of view "complete stealth" is becoming entirely invisible, creeping around until ready to pounce for a massive critical that leaves your target defeated (stealthed) or atleast on the brink of death. 

Until someone can find a video of a Witch Hunter / Witch Elf sneaking up behind a unsuspecting foe and popping a massive crit on them, this ability will remain a temporary camo (stealth) ability **from my POV**

Originally posted by Shifty360

 

Originally posted by Pheace

 

Originally posted by Shifty360

That video is much better and actually shows something.

Far from complete stealth and very temporary, seeing that she only had it up for a few seconds.

 

Because she dropped it of course ^^ + stealth never seems complete from your own point of view.

 

It's clearly intended to make you "disappear from your opponents screen"

 

Of course it bloody makes you disappear, that is why it is a stealth ability.

I am not denying that it is stealth, only that it is not complete stealth.

From my point of view "complete stealth" is becoming entirely invisible, creeping around until ready to pounce for a massive critical that leaves your target defeated (stealthed) or atleast on the brink of death. 

Until someone can find a video of a Witch Hunter / Witch Elf sneaking up behind a unsuspecting foe and popping a massive crit on them, this ability will remain a temporary camo (stealth) ability **from my POV**

Ok, excuse me for not realizing your totally warped sense of complete stealth then. That would mean druids in WoW don't have "Complete Stealth" as you call it.

Complete stealth is total disappearance from screen when used in my opinion, whatever the duration connected to it, regardless of what abilities do or don't come with it when you turn it on. When in history did the wordstealth become connected to the abilities you could use out of it?

You're being ridiculous at best here in my opinion or are you just trying your best to make it seem like this is a totally different version of stealth, which of course, in a sense it is, but that still doesn't mean that you can arbritrarily invent new meanings of the word.

Originally posted by Pheace

 

Originally posted by Shifty360

 

Originally posted by Pheace

 

Originally posted by Shifty360

That video is much better and actually shows something.

Far from complete stealth and very temporary, seeing that she only had it up for a few seconds.

 

Because she dropped it of course ^^ + stealth never seems complete from your own point of view.

 

It's clearly intended to make you "disappear from your opponents screen"

 

Of course it bloody makes you disappear, that is why it is a stealth ability.

I am not denying that it is stealth, only that it is not complete stealth.

From my point of view "complete stealth" is becoming entirely invisible, creeping around until ready to pounce for a massive critical that leaves your target defeated (stealthed) or atleast on the brink of death. 

Until someone can find a video of a Witch Hunter / Witch Elf sneaking up behind a unsuspecting foe and popping a massive crit on them, this ability will remain a temporary camo (stealth) ability **from my POV**

 

 

Ok, excuse me for not realizing your totally warped sense of complete stealth then. That would mean druids in WoW don't have "Complete Stealth" as you call it.

 

Complete stealth is total disappearance from screen when used in my opinion, whatever the duration connected to it, regardless of what abilities do or don't come with it when you turn it on. When in history did the wordstealth become connected to the abilities you could use out of it?

 

You're being ridiculous at best here in my opinion or are you just trying your best to make it seem like this is a totally different version of stealth, which of course, in a sense it is, but that still doesn't mean that you can arbritrarily invent new meanings of the word.

 

Yes, druids have complete stealth from "my pov." You can launch a good crit from stealth, and provided that you know what you are doing mop up the remaining health without a problem.

In your opinion is the key word here. I have no idea whether you have played DAoC or not, but players often refer to getting killed by a stealth based class as "being stealthed." The Witch Elf and the Witch Hunter are not stealth based classes, they are melee dps classes with a temporary stealth ability. If they were entirely based off of stealth, then yes they would be using "complete stealth" from "my pov." While playing DAoC I never witnessed another play saying "damn, I just got stealthed by a Minstrel (class with the stealth but no critical strike abilities)."

Only ridiculous because I do not have the same views as you. Yes I am trying to label this as something different because the impatient players who come here will see the word "stealth" and think "Oh damn, I don't want to play if i'm going to get "stealthed" like I did in DAoC or WoW." (afterwards proceeding to run about misinforming others about the game) 

Camouflage is not a new MMO term, it has been around for a while.

Yawn.....

Camouflage != Stealth

From an Alpha review of the game:

"Stealth Classes: There are none! From my understanding there was no real stealth classes in Warhammer, (though guy said some classes/races will have a sorta camo thing that will make them harder to see, but not real stealth). This also makes balancing for the dev's easier, though as a long time stealthier I will miss them some.
"

wah

Originally posted by mcharj11

It's not stealth thats pissing me off, it's the fact that the lore has been a little raped here. The Dark Elf Assassin would have been a far better choice of class for implementing a stealth based ability. Anyone that knows anything about Dark Elf lore will know that in no way whatsoever are Witch Elves stealthy or subtle. When they fight, they are in the thick of battle, they are bloodthirsty and savage. Probably one of the most up front units in WHFB.

The problem with the assasin is that it would need stealth based attacks and be PURELY stealth based which is 100 percent everything everyone has ever hated about Stealth classes. 

They may have 'raped' the lore in your opinion but they did it with Games Workshop's full approval..which means its not that much of a rape of GW said "awsome'.  BTW the witch elf is every bit as savage as you've said she is...she just happens to have a gimped stealth so she can get into battle without being slaughtered automatically.

In my opinion, which I know doesn't matter to most of you, I like the fact that there is no "stealth" class. I always hated getting ganked by people who could turn invisible from two miles away to gank me. At least with the "camo" mechanic added to the game it adds more strategic value to sneak past people or surprise people, rather then do a mass 1 hit K.O. strike (i know those don't exist but you get the picture) and not be able to fight back. Maybe its just pent up anger from getting ganked by so many damn rogues in WoW...hate that game lol.

Originally posted by Shifty360

 

Originally posted by Pheace

 

Originally posted by Shifty360

 

Originally posted by Pheace

 

Originally posted by Shifty360

That video is much better and actually shows something.

Far from complete stealth and very temporary, seeing that she only had it up for a few seconds.

 

Because she dropped it of course ^^ + stealth never seems complete from your own point of view.

 

It's clearly intended to make you "disappear from your opponents screen"

 

Of course it bloody makes you disappear, that is why it is a stealth ability.

I am not denying that it is stealth, only that it is not complete stealth.

From my point of view "complete stealth" is becoming entirely invisible, creeping around until ready to pounce for a massive critical that leaves your target defeated (stealthed) or atleast on the brink of death. 

Until someone can find a video of a Witch Hunter / Witch Elf sneaking up behind a unsuspecting foe and popping a massive crit on them, this ability will remain a temporary camo (stealth) ability **from my POV**

 

 

Ok, excuse me for not realizing your totally warped sense of complete stealth then. That would mean druids in WoW don't have "Complete Stealth" as you call it.

 

Complete stealth is total disappearance from screen when used in my opinion, whatever the duration connected to it, regardless of what abilities do or don't come with it when you turn it on. When in history did the wordstealth become connected to the abilities you could use out of it?

 

You're being ridiculous at best here in my opinion or are you just trying your best to make it seem like this is a totally different version of stealth, which of course, in a sense it is, but that still doesn't mean that you can arbritrarily invent new meanings of the word.

 

 

Yes, druids have complete stealth from "my pov." You can launch a good crit from stealth, and provided that you know what you are doing mop up the remaining health without a problem.

God they're lacking a serious laugh emote for this statement. You really don't know anything about this game do you.

In your opinion is the key word here.

I always make sure I mention it's my opinion rather than stating facts, since after all it is although that doesn't mean it's not based on facts mentioned in the opinion.

I have no idea whether you have played DAoC or not, but players often refer to getting killed by a stealth based class as "being stealthed." The Witch Elf and the Witch Hunter are not stealth based classes, they are melee dps classes with a temporary stealth ability. If they were entirely based off of stealth, then yes they would be using "complete stealth" from "my pov." While playing DAoC I never witnessed another play saying "damn, I just got stealthed by a Minstrel (class with the stealth but no critical strike abilities)."

I played Daoc for 3 years, I know what it was like to hit the floor with my casters without ever even seeing a glimpse of my attacker. That still doesn't make me change the term stealth into something it's not.

 

Only ridiculous because I do not have the same views as you. Yes I am trying to label this as something different because the impatient players who come here will see the word "stealth" and think "Oh damn, I don't want to play if i'm going to get "stealthed" like I did in DAoC or WoW." (afterwards proceeding to run about misinforming others about the game) 

Camouflage is not a new MMO term, it has been around for a while.

 

Camouflage means to blend in with your environment which at worst would put it at the predator stage which this form of stealth were getting is going well beyond, although I'm surethat wouldn't stop anyone from branding it camo anyway.

If you want to educate people on what kind of stealth there is fine but don't go making up stuff like "complete stealth" = stealth + overkill abilities (on a druid... hahahaha *cough* anyway) because that's just inventing confusing nonsense terms that serve little to no purpose but to soften the fact that they did in fact implement a form of stealth, albeit a very limited one.

 

 

 

Why bring in stealth?  Ok I admit I didn't read the whole arguement.  How is it fun to be killed by a stealthy?  OK here it comes... well give the non-stealthies see invis.  Oh thats not enough, ok give them health potions.  Oh thats not enough ok lets make a class called ninja, they hunt stealthies.  Is that good?  OMG why does every game have to be the same!  Sorry, I have yet to experience a good way to implement stealth in a PvP game.  It simply is not fun for me to spend my time in a game amassing wealth to buy potions or 3whatever it is so I can survive an invisible enemy.  IMO stelath ends up bringing all the rest of the game down to stealth or anti-stealth toons.

 I haven't read too much of the replies here but I will note that I think the way Stealth is being implemented is that your character will be drained of something so you cannot be invisible forever.

stealth - surreptitious; secret; not openly acknowledged

invisible - not visible; not perceptible by the eye; not able to be seen

my idea of stealth in WAR is temporarily removing your name from above your head and using your enviorment to get close to your target without them NOTICING . (PvP) dont give a crap about PvE

my idea of  invisibility "STEALTH" in WAR is removing your your name and not being able to be seen at all until you want your target too.

stealth makes me

I played WoW for 5 or 6 months during 2006. My main was a 60 gnome warrior and my alt was a 50 NE druid (feral). During PvP combat I had no problem finding a soft target (at full health), stealthing them, and leaving the fight with a victory. Unless they have totally nerfed the classes, yes I know a little about WoW. The fact that I don't follow WoW anymore in no way makes anything else I have said here false.

Now to stealth. 

The reason I refer to DAoC and WoW stealth based classes as a having "complete stealth" (due to complete dependacy on stealth for burst damage and effectiveness) is as follows.

- "Camouflage" is a form of stealth.

- "Complete Stealth" is a form of stealth.

- "Camouflage" =/ "Complete Stealth"

Therefore labeling one as Camo and the other as Stealth is equally, if not more prone to misunderstanding.

But in conclusion, this arguement is simply going to spiral around and around and around due to one person misunderstanding what I was inferring with the labels I used.

Therefore I banish this useless arguement forthwith from the kingdom of this thread.

aaaah finally found it, this video shows that its nothing but a minor glitch / bug.

see for yourself. I was actually kinda worried here.

Oh how I "phailed" to see that one coming.

Touche sir.......... touche..........

Originally posted by Shifty360

I played WoW for 5 or 6 months during 2006. My main was a 60 gnome warrior and my alt was a 50 NE druid (feral). During PvP combat I had no problem finding a soft target (at full health), stealthing them, and leaving the fight with a victory. Unless they have totally nerfed the classes, yes I know a little about WoW. The fact that I don't follow WoW anymore in no way makes anything else I have said here false.

 

Winning with a druid in WoW has little to nothing to do with having the opener on a full health class which you should either know or simply blocked out then. Sure you will win a lot of the times. I'd hope so. That doesn't mean that was a direct result of the stealth however.

Originally posted by baso80

Tarvold:

I guess then u didnt take the time to read my source from warhammeralliance where stealth is already confirmed for wittch elf and witch hunter.

 

So with the source and confirmation from the Paris convention, what is it that makes u not convinced?

Its hardly confirmed.  your source is a forum post whose source was another forum post who was just quoting from yet another forum post.  Until we hear it from Mythic its nothing but a rumor.

And besides that everyone is acting as if having stealth makes you unkillable or something. I don't know what it was like in DAoC but in WoW this was hardly the case.  Sure stealth gives you an advantage but you were still vulnerable to AoE and there was a chance that the person will be able to detect you even if you were in stealth

Originally posted by Falcon4196

Originally posted by baso80

Tarvold:

I guess then u didnt take the time to read my source from warhammeralliance where stealth is already confirmed for wittch elf and witch hunter.

 

So with the source and confirmation from the Paris convention, what is it that makes u not convinced?

Its hardly confirmed.  your source is a forum post whose source was another forum post who was just quoting from yet another forum post.  Until we hear it from Mythic its nothing but a rumor.

Don't be too disappointed then when it comes

Will this be doable if the character is in plain sight?  You and nine of your guildmates see someone and bam he is gone/camo/stealthed/whatever.

No one can tell you because nothing is finalized at this point. They could have taken stealth back out already for all you know.

FOR ALL YOU SLOW PEOPLE WHO CANT SEEM TO UNDERSTAND THERE IS STEALTH IN WAR

WATCH THIS VIDEO 1.22 WITCH HUNTER GOES INTO STEALTH ! AND A FEW OTHER TIMES IN THIS

RVR/PVP VIDEO PS ITS A NEW VIDEO !

http://trailer.onlinewelten.com/videos,id3490,warhammer_online_szenarien_pvp_presse_event_paris.html

Originally posted by Falcon4196

Originally posted by baso80

Tarvold:

I guess then u didnt take the time to read my source from warhammeralliance where stealth is already confirmed for wittch elf and witch hunter.

 

So with the source and confirmation from the Paris convention, what is it that makes u not convinced?

Its hardly confirmed.  your source is a forum post whose source was another forum post who was just quoting from yet another forum post.  Until we hear it from Mythic its nothing but a rumor.

And besides that everyone is acting as if having stealth makes you unkillable or something. I don't know what it was like in DAoC but in WoW this was hardly the case.  Sure stealth gives you an advantage but you were still vulnerable to AoE and there was a chance that the person will be able to detect you even if you were in stealth

Did u even take a look of the second vid I posted?

Did u even check out the french source or even read the posts on warhammeralliance?

Or are u just closing your eyes and put your fingers into your ears and go LALALALALALALA???