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DJXeon  3/30/08 12:19:32 PM

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Originally posted by ummax

 

They have not bothered to tell me they shut the tickets and they do unless of course they want to reopen the tickets and deal with the issue but they clearly stated to me that they do in fact allow it. yet beforehand they did not.

They know where I am and have the support tickets and my mailbox accepts their mail they have yet to reverse their decision or even apologize! 
 

p.s. i hate this message board :(

I'm sure its not deliberate, the problem is that they have no official system set up to deal with it.

i think you will find that is all going to change next week.

 
ummax  3/30/08 12:40:20 PM

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Originally posted by DJXeon

 
I'm sure its not deliberate, the problem is that they have no official system set up to deal with it.
 
i think you will find that is all going to change next week.


Its deliberate in that they "thought about it and decided it was allowed" . I deleted my characters and dont think I will be returning. As a beta tester that worked hard on their behalf to submit bug reports and rerolled enough times to make your head spin for server wipes I'm all rolled out. I told them to read the posts and they just ignored them. They just ignored the entire thing despite the fact that more then just me was initially reporting it. Unfortunately when they finally willfully decided it was okay to allow ingame bounties that they can't even judge and refused to consider that perhaps it was possible the bounties were not placed for any ingame issues in many cases (see I have some pm's from people who had the same occur and for similar reasons..and it was stated openly in their local pirate chat even that the reason was in fact things like nationality in real world and other nonsense.) Its become a point of attraction where people can and are gravitating to the game for the sole reason that they can get away with doing what they cannot get away with in any other online world. People dont just "think" there is harassment and griefing at this point there are many with first hand experience. I have never had to leave a game and played many types of game. I have in the many many years of gaming never found that it was pointless to keep characters for later use due to lack of rules and enforcing them and deleted those characters. In this game I have and I have played many many games of all kinds most with a very LARGE PvP element in them. I have never come across a company that allows this. People complain about sony all the time. Even Sony does not allow this. The most hated company on the planet doesn't allow this. One thing that this does prove though is that Sony has no control over what goes on in the POTBS game and so if anyone is a sony hater not wanting to try POTBS and blaming screw ups on sony.. think again.. This issue lies 100% in the lap of FLS.
 

 
DJXeon  3/30/08 12:51:14 PM

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Originally posted by ummax

 

 

Its deliberate in that they "thought about it and decided it was allowed" .

Or perhaps nothing was decided as they had no system to deal with it.

 

if you put in a support ticket with all the details you will get a response but to say they decided it was  allowed may not be true - can you prove this?

 
ummax  3/30/08 1:57:09 PM

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Originally posted by DJXeon

 

Originally posted by ummax

 

 

Its deliberate in that they "thought about it and decided it was allowed" .

Or perhaps nothing was decided as they had no system to deal with it.

 

if you put in a support ticket with all the details you will get a response but to say they decided it was  allowed may not be true - can you prove this?

No they told me that they 100% allow them and have thought about it and closed the ticket multiple times.  I'm tempted to post the gm tickets however that's not nice so i'm not going to.   Since i have already blatently shown an issue of player harassment its possible that the ticket(s) exist as well.  I begged and pleaded with them and during that time they kept saying over and over again I had DEVS telling me this as it was referred upwards to the top tier.   The people who write the news stuff for the site and who are in the spotlight post in the ticket that they consulted each other about it and decided it was okay.   Heck the even asked me to stop asking them about it.. what is more plain then that.. the guy posted in all his glory that he can do it and waved it in their face.    Its allowed 100% guarantee it see I have proof so what you think and what is at this point is beyond it.  The fact that initially this was in fact something that they did not allow and then now allow it is why it was reported in the first place otherwise I probably would not even be playing this game. If they had stated that they would allow it in the first place there is no way I would have even done anything and gone beyond the beta test and done what was asked of me as they would have already labelled their game for me and I would not have turned myself inside out trying to get a copy of this game.   Its allowed they stated it to me about 10 times as i repeatedly reported it.   This happened over the span of several days they had plenty of time and plenty of paper to look at and time to think about it and they did.

its on the forums and in a ticket they posted it.  The fact you can't even be bothered to look for the incident which still exists is not my problem.  No i'm not posting the GM tickets there are plenty of  DEV responses on the situation as it unfolded on the forums.    That post I took was from the forum.  To my knowledge the thread still exists do a search for ummax and find the proof yourself its there.  I dont need to prove it you need to prove it to yourself the proof is there for you to find if you so choose to spend the time to look for it. 

p.s. did you not read the quoted post? Im' not doing your homework for you as its been proven already and is there for everyone to see.  Its up to YOU to look for it.. however there is a gigantic hint in the quoted post! 

 

 
DJXeon  3/30/08 2:53:51 PM

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Originally posted by ummax

 Its up to YOU to look for it.. however there is a gigantic hint in the quoted post! 

 


OK i had a quick look so unless i missed something a guy copied your website & put a bounty out on you.

Sure this is griefing in my opinion & the bounty thread should have been deleted & not just closed.

However you have somewhat ruined your case as you then did the same thing by making a bounty thread on him!

Bad move, as although you may have felt you were doing it in self defence you then equalled out the griefing by you tit-for-tat approach.

FLS probably gave him a warning & he withdrew his bounty poster but alas i see your bounty on him still exists.

Both threads need to be completly deleted in my opinion.

 

 

 
ummax  3/30/08 3:41:54 PM

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i didn't make a bounty on him did you read the thread all of what i posted in the one I MADE?  i'm sorry you just skimmed it. I posted it and it WAS NOT On him it was on some other random guy and i stated in the thread it was not a valid bounty and i could cover the entire forum with it PLUS he bountied all alts and attempted to get names of alts that may or may not have existed.

Sorry try again you in denial at this point its quite obvious and quite a fanboi too and i use that label to mean what it says in that they can do no wrong.   His bounty was serious mine was a spoof and I said so in the thread if you READ then threads ALL of them and actualy read what happened you will see why the thread is there

 

PLUS  on top of it they let it stand did not investigate my bogus bounty posted in proof that you can in fact post any damnd thing you like and grief people and in the thread I stated it.   Yes they left it up that's the point they dont care if anyone is griefed period.

I purposely posted a bogus thread to prove that FLS lets you do anything and it went over your head like a 747.

thanks for proving the case

q.e.d. and thus it has been shown FLS IN FACT ALLOWS griefing of players period. :) They should not allow ANY unregulated threads

 
DJXeon  3/30/08 4:01:07 PM

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Originally posted by ummax

 they let it stand did not investigate my bogus bounty posted in proof that you can in fact post any damnd thing you like and grief people and in the thread I stated it.   Yes they left it up that's the point they dont care if anyone is griefed period.


ah i'm with you but posting a bogus thread was still not a good idea.

Once the griefing policy is in place next week or if Rusty gets to know about it those griefing threads should be deleted fast!

 

 
ummax  3/30/08 4:44:40 PM

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Originally posted by DJXeon

 

Originally posted by ummax

 they let it stand did not investigate my bogus bounty posted in proof that you can in fact post any damnd thing you like and grief people and in the thread I stated it.   Yes they left it up that's the point they dont care if anyone is griefed period.


ah i'm with you but posting a bogus thread was still not a good idea.

 

Once the griefing policy is in place next week or if Rusty gets to know about it those griefing threads should be deleted fast!

 

 

unfortunately if no one cares including the game owner people posting bogus bounties like the one I was posted about is a reality.  I did it because no one cares least of which is the developer.   On a side note I new beforehand that posting a bounty even if bogus on him would go over okay with the "victim" cause well we are members or were of the same guild and I will leave it at that.   However if you actualy take the time to go through the threads my reasons which are clearly stated are "because he smells funny" and "because he disagreed with me" No i didnt put any detail in the opening post of my so called NOT bounty thread because there should be NO bounty threads on the forums and they are allowed and unregulated and beacuse FLS doesn't care for "reasons" because they ahve stated they could not become involved in bounties but they are "okay" even though

a) its not hard coded so there is no way to prove a valid bounty

b) the ability to extort money from players may or may not be repeated over time which is clearly a money grab and can be used over and over again as the person is bountied and then extorted from

c) the game is on the servers the forum are basically for discussion and possibly some in character exchange

what hapened here was OOC out of character, had nothing to do with the game, and was stated as such.  However the original bounty maker was dead serious and then wanted to turn around and post yet another thread to extort money.  Since the guy was not particularly shall we say legit his extortion probably would have led to furhter extortions to keep the posters down.  Where does it end? It does not

Player bounties are done on a single character and hard coded into the game.  Money is held in escrow by the gaming companies server so that the person doing the player mission which is basically what it is is actualy legit and gets his reward.  It ends when the bounty ends.   Its designed to avoid griefing in that only a certain number of people may accept the bounty usually.   It can't be repeated for a certain amount of time.  Extortion is never allowed. 

 
DJXeon  3/30/08 4:54:54 PM

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Originally posted by ummax

 

 

unfortunately if no one cares including the game owner people posting bogus bounties like the one I was posted about is a reality.  I did it because no one cares least of which is the developer.   On a side note I new beforehand that posting a bounty even if bogus on him would go over okay with the "victim" cause well we are members or were of the same guild and I will leave it at that.  

i realised that but  you were risking an unnecessary warning or bann & at the very least wasting moderators time.
Sure those threads should be deleted & mark my words they will be if Rusty (the Owner) gets to know about it.

FLS does not condone griefing.

 

 
Bountytaker  3/30/08 5:01:02 PM