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Originally posted by drarkanex

I think you guys are missing the real point here.  Blizzard has tried to sue mmoglider.com before and failed.  This is going to be another time.   How they can say that mmoglider.com infringes on Blizzard's copyright is nonsense. 

Originally posted by Zorvan

Glider is solely intended for use in WoW, and is marketed and SOLD to WoW users. Therefore it is profiting from Blizzards' intellectual property.

Doubtful, they are not profitting from Blizzard's intellectual property.  This is just a program that mashes the keys for you in a highly intelligent fashion.  In no way does Glider stomp on Blizzard's property.

Let's see, analogy time, You buy a PSP, and you take it home and crack the OS on it to allow Homebrew games.  Could sony come back and sue you for manipulating their product?  THat's prolly not a good one.

If you bought a Lawnmower and equipped it with a  fully functional AI device that could mow the yard for you, could the owners of the lawn mower sue you for tampering with their product and making life easier when everyone else has to suffer with mowing the lawn the hard way?

See, in the botting world, there are Intrusive bots and non-intrusive bots.  Glider falls under the category of non-intrusive because the only hooks in the game are receive hooks.  Glider has API hooks into WOW to find out where it's at in the world and what's around it, nothing else.  On the transmit side?  Glider just hooks into the Keyboard API.  That's it.  So Blizzard owns patents on Keyboard API's now?  LOL  Again, Blizzard will fail miserably again.  Just look at the history of Blizzard suing Glider, Blizzard Suing Mercury, etc.  This time around is no different.  Blizzard doesn't have a leg to stand on in this legal arena.  THey are hoping with their deep pockets that they will find a judge stupid enough to file an injunction against Glider.  If Blizzard does win this case (which they won't), it will be because of a stupid Judge and Mercury will just get it overthrown.

Originally posted by Wickersham

 

Originally posted by drarkanex

I think you guys are missing the real point here.  Blizzard has tried to sue mmoglider.com before and failed.  This is going to be another time.   How they can say that mmoglider.com infringes on Blizzard's copyright is nonsense. 

As part of its evasion tactics Glider itself copies the game into RAM.  So Gilder breaks copyright when it does that.  That's some creative thinking on someones part and they deserve a big cookie for it!   

 

So, by me running Avast, and Avast copies itself into ram as well, Avast scans Blizzards files to make sure they are not infected.  This would break the rules too.  Any program you load into memory would be a threat.

Of course Glider loads itself into RAM.  All programs do.  What is your point man!  Glider only hooks into the Windows Keyboard API, it does not manipulate Blizzard's programs at all.  The only thing Glider does to WoW, is listen for where it's at in the world and pushes the appropriate button for you.  What would be the difference in building a physical keyboard overlay hooked up to a camera that looks at the screen and pushes the actual keyboard buttons?  WOuld that be an infringement of Blizzard's program as well?

Originally posted by drarkanex

Originally posted by Zorvan

Glider is solely intended for use in WoW, and is marketed and SOLD to WoW users. Therefore it is profiting from Blizzards' intellectual property.

 

Doubtful, they are not profitting from Blizzard's intellectual property.

The bot is sold, correct? Would the bot be sold if there was no WoW for it to be sold for? No. Is the bot aimed at every and any game out there? No, only WoW, which is Blizzards' IP. Is the bot marketed at customers of games everywhere? No, only for customers of WoW, which is Blizzards' IP. Therefore, if there was no WoW, there would be no Glider, and there would be no money made by Glider. So, yes. Glider profits from Blizzards' IP.

Originally posted by Zorvan

Originally posted by drarkanex

Originally posted by Zorvan

Glider is solely intended for use in WoW, and is marketed and SOLD to WoW users. Therefore it is profiting from Blizzards' intellectual property.

 

Doubtful, they are not profitting from Blizzard's intellectual property.

The bot is sold, correct? Would the bot be sold if there was no WoW for it to be sold for? No. Is the bot aimed at every and any game out there? No, only WoW, which is Blizzards' IP. Is the bot marketed at customers of games everywhere? No, only for customers of WoW, which is Blizzards' IP. Therefore, if there was no WoW, there would be no Glider, and there would be no money made by Glider. So, yes. Glider profits from Blizzards' IP.

So If I made a self-help video about how to use Microsoft Office 2007, would I be infringing off Microsoft?  If there were no Microsoft Office, there would be no self-help book for Microsoft Office?  According to your statements, I can't write a self-help book on anything without infringing on copyrights.  Because I would be making money off Microsoft's product indirectly.  So this makes your statement moot.

Originally posted by drarkanex

 

Originally posted by Zorvan

Originally posted by drarkanex

Originally posted by Zorvan

Glider is solely intended for use in WoW, and is marketed and SOLD to WoW users. Therefore it is profiting from Blizzards' intellectual property.

 

Doubtful, they are not profitting from Blizzard's intellectual property.

The bot is sold, correct? Would the bot be sold if there was no WoW for it to be sold for? No. Is the bot aimed at every and any game out there? No, only WoW, which is Blizzards' IP. Is the bot marketed at customers of games everywhere? No, only for customers of WoW, which is Blizzards' IP. Therefore, if there was no WoW, there would be no Glider, and there would be no money made by Glider. So, yes. Glider profits from Blizzards' IP.

 

So If I made a self-help video about how to use Microsoft Office 2007, would I be infringing off Microsoft?  If there were no Microsoft Office, there would be no self-help book for Microsoft Office?  According to your statements, I can't write a self-help book on anything without infringing on copyrights.  Because I would be making money off Microsoft's product indirectly.  So this makes your statement moot.

That self-help book doesn't run Office or Windows for you. That self help book doesn't need to be attached to Office or Windows to work.Glider plays WoW for you. Glider has to be attached to WoW to work. Therefore, your point is moot.

Originally posted by Zorvan

Originally posted by drarkanex

 

Originally posted by Zorvan

Originally posted by drarkanex

Originally posted by Zorvan

Glider is solely intended for use in WoW, and is marketed and SOLD to WoW users. Therefore it is profiting from Blizzards' intellectual property.

 

Doubtful, they are not profitting from Blizzard's intellectual property.

The bot is sold, correct? Would the bot be sold if there was no WoW for it to be sold for? No. Is the bot aimed at every and any game out there? No, only WoW, which is Blizzards' IP. Is the bot marketed at customers of games everywhere? No, only for customers of WoW, which is Blizzards' IP. Therefore, if there was no WoW, there would be no Glider, and there would be no money made by Glider. So, yes. Glider profits from Blizzards' IP.

 

So If I made a self-help video about how to use Microsoft Office 2007, would I be infringing off Microsoft?  If there were no Microsoft Office, there would be no self-help book for Microsoft Office?  According to your statements, I can't write a self-help book on anything without infringing on copyrights.  Because I would be making money off Microsoft's product indirectly.  So this makes your statement moot.

That self-help book doesn't run Office or Windows for you. That self help book doesn't need to be attached to Office or Windows to work.Glider plays WoW for you. Glider has to be attached to WoW to work. Therefore, your point is moot.

I.e.: Screenshots, Flash videos of how to do things in steps, etc.

It's going to be interesting to see the out come of this.

Never mind what it is doing to the game, try looking at it from a different point of view, thay (Blizz) are going after the man who makes it and not the people who use it.

Thats like sueing ford because someone drove over your foot in one of there cars.

Surley if you make a piece of software and sell it thats not illegal it only becomes illegal IF the person you sold it to uses it knowing to do so is illegal.

for example, if i was to breed Pitbulls and sell you a pupp that you later used for illegal dogfighting that means you are in the wrong and not me for selling you the pup in the first place.

I kind of hope this guy wins his case, i think blizz are going after the wrong person here.