far better for them to get it to a point where its merchandisable . non of us want another vanguard . personally i m going to try either conan or if thats delayed lord of the rings . am totally bored with warcraft now .

I am less likely to play WAR now.  Not because I am angry, I just have become very melancholy with all MMO's and their early, always delayed, announcement dates. 

The longer I know about an MMO, and the more times it gets delayed, the more the excitement levels seems to wane, and there is just a point where it drops low enough that I lose interest...  they funny thing is that the same thing happened with another MMO...  I lost interest after many delays, and started following WAR. 

Crazy, just stick with this one, it's very promising

Originally posted by Stradden

 

“Oh God no,” he responded in his usual candid way.

Read the whole thing here.

In journalism, people write "he said, she said" for a reason - it does not inject hidden judgements about the veracity of the claim into the piece. In my experience, when people say things like "oh god no" its a prepared answer to an obvious and anticipated question, planned in talking points well before the interview.

Originally posted by Crazybear

 

I am less likely to play WAR now.  Not because I am angry, I just have become very melancholy with all MMO's and their early, always delayed, announcement dates. 

The longer I know about an MMO, and the more times it gets delayed, the more the excitement levels seems to wane, and there is just a point where it drops low enough that I lose interest... 

 

It's funny, but I know what you are talking about, and I don't know why that is with me either.  They build the excitement level up so high with a game, you anxiously await the release date (even if it’s an approximate one), then they pull the rug out from under your feet. You say, “ok, no problem”, and wait for the next supposed release date, it gets close, then they pull the rug out from under you again. 

You posters with the marketing angle hit the nail on the head. This is not a sudden, painful and controversial decision, this was carefully orchestrated marketing manuever.

Christmas is when we will see the box on the shelves. Best time to maximize sales at this time. 

Considering we haven't even seen the last profession of High elves, or any testing of elven pairings, how could anyone expect them to release Q2?

Notice they didn't give us a quarterly estimated launch this time. They said Fall. Winter doesn't start until the third week of december. MMORPG has it correctly put that a Q4 release (october / november / december - with emphasis on december).

Other interesting tidbits of marketing - make the move of "delay" and then put up collector editions preorders for sale to keep player interest up. Put a "limit" of available Collector editions and drive up the demand.  I must say that the features of the collectors edition are the best ones I have seen as far as in game benefits.

Now the game has generated revenue without having a product to deliver for another 8-9 months.  They aint dumb.

I agree with the Op I also want it when its 100% done.    I have faith that we will get a good product. 

Anyone else pre-order the Collector"s edition.   I did ...from the EA online store in the US.

Can't wait for Warhammer. :)

Originally posted by yayitsandy

far better for them to get it to a point where its merchandisable . non of us want another vanguard . personally i m going to try either conan or if thats delayed lord of the rings . am totally bored with warcraft now .

There's a ton of this kind of sentiment floating around. The devs are only saying and have repeated it that they are using this time to POLISH the game. If it was another Vanguard at this point, someone probably would get fired (mark).

However, I think it's at least some measure of BS. They show all these videos saying, "look! look how great it is even though we're still in beta!" and now say, "Oh, oh wait. It's really not that great and we need another 1/3 of a year minimum to polish it up". Four months of polish time? Isn't that what they said the last time the game was delayed? That excuse is wearing thin.

Oh, and Mark? If you're so avid about saying that release times aren't set in stone then take your own advice and stop giving even a general time release. You're better off just saying, "A minimum of x months, but most likely longer. It's finished when it's finished and not soon, so I can't give you even a vague time frame."

Note: I'm not angry about the delay, I expect it with this market. However, if you're going to say one thing, then do another and continually disappoint your target consumer you're shooting yourself in the foot.

In reply to the above post...I do think you're right ...Marketting is definitely involved here...and from what I can glean from P. Barnett's fun-filled videos, everything is watched closely...has a timeline and done for a reason.

I don't have any problems with this..or any problems understanding it.   I am not one of those people who will go cry because War isn't out yet...quality takes time..and thats all there is to it.   Meantime we have the spring and summer to do other things while we're waiting on War.  :)

People need to realize that all the screaming and yelling in the world ..won't make it come out faster.    They need to do what they need to do. 

Personally I am pleased they finally gave us an opportunity to pre-order the CE,  its something I have been waiting for.

Meantime I will continue to read up on any and all info in regards to Warhammer: Age of Reckoning, because I know its not going to be another Vanguard..for one, and for two I think these guys  (my personal impression) are actually excited about their own game.    I think they have been as forthcoming as possible with projected dates,  nothing ever seems to go as planned...and thats par for the course.

War is my very last online game I'll play...been online since 1995...and when I retire from gaming, War will be the one I regrettfully put down..to do "real life".

Patience ....is STILL a Virtue..I think some folks need to think about that one. :)

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I find the incessant whining that erupts whenever any game is delayed to be extremely childish. Real life is packed with fun activities that make time just fly by.

Ahhh, this is perfect! I was contemplating between War and AoC all the more reason to start with Age of Conan!

The pressure is now on Funcom (with Age of Conan) to make a game with lasting appeal instead of fighting EA-Mythic for launch day numbers. It's a no-brainer now that AoC will be the game of the summer but will that reign be short-lived?

I'm looking forward to both games, but with WAR I'm just letting it sit on the back burner now. When I see an actual release date and pre-orders for sale then I'll be interested.

"It’ll be done when it’s done."

Ah the memories...

They forgot about step 6 (or maybe 5a). Release the CE version to generate some sales for this quarter and offset the negative hype over the pushback by promising OB access with each purchase.

Don't get me wrong. I'll play WAR. But as one of the earlier posters wrote, I've been around since the middle 90s and have grown tired of 'same old, same old'. WAR will most likely be my last real 'hard core' game. I am hoping it will be good enough to hold me for a while so if they delay, so be it.

At least it takes the burden off explaining to my wife why I bought 2 games in a months time (WAR and AoC being so close in original release dates.) Ha Ha!

What i find funny is... ppl still think AoC will be released on time...

It is my impression that Conan is less finished than WAR. Just a gut feeling who knows (unless someone in both betas wants to drop me a PM saying Im wrong). I'm sure i'll play both at some stage obviously the first to hit the shelves will be first on the hard drive. Sadly nowadays MMORPG's only hold me for a few months many not even that. Just wish I could find something that really grabs me by the gonads to play right now.

Milk that cash cow for all it's worth. Funny how I could produce high quality work on time. How did I do that? Well I'm glad you asked. First off I didn't @$&% around, I worked on jobs that where always a rush. We need this done right away. So what did I do? I worked my a$$ off. I didn't cut corners. The work was of the highest quality. On those very few jobs where there was no rush. Guess what the job went on and on. I milked it for all it's worth. Sometimes placing a time limit on a job isn't such a bad idea (just take a look at Iraq). Is my story rare? I don't think so. Oh and by the way I could care less if WAR ever comes out. Not that I'm mad of the delay, but because WAR brings nothing new to MMORPG.

Heres to the cow, may her teats never dry up.

Originally posted by Horusra

I am still waiting for Oblivion to get to 19.99 - 30.00 before I bite.

Send me $30 and I'll gladly send you my boxed copy.

Uh ..pre-orders are for sale..go to Warhammer's site..its plastered all over the front page. :P  Collector's Edition with all kinds of bells and whistles, depending which store you order it from.

Really hard to miss. :)

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Don't think i have much confidence in Funcom,  I was in on the release of Anarchy Online..lets just say it wasn't the best release ...and for 3 months after..there were still some rather large problems. :P

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