Darkfall

If the game is basically done, then there's no point in even doing a beta test at all. Might as well just release it over the summer and smoke WAR before it even has a chance.

I remember hearing about a game when I was in high school called "Dawn". They had forums, a beta sign-up, screen shots, videos, everything. The whole thing turned out to be a hoax in the end.

Ever since then, I've never believed in a game's chances of being released until I see a release date and the ability to pre-order a game from either EBgames or Amazon.com

If Darkfall turns out to be real, then it will smoke everything out there, assuming it delivers on all its promises.

Originally posted by Daedalus732

 

Originally posted by Aragon100

So you see, beta isnt that far away at all. My guess is beta before fall 2008 and if all goes well a release end 2008 or early 2009.

 

Beta tests are generally run for a couple of years before release. WAR isn't even going to be released before the near end of 2008, and that game has been in heavy development and beta testing for quite some time now.

Darkfall fans have been touting this game for years, and all the while the rest of the sane (if it can be so called) MMO community have been playing and enjoying other games without having to compare them to some fictitious nonsense that will finally have all the features that people have been clamoring for in an MMORPG.

So go ahead, compare Darkfall graphics to AoC graphics and argue about poly count and make unsupported claims about how AoC's battles will be laggy. At least at the end of the day, AoC fans will have a game to play.

Some of us actually wants quality gaming time and it's not like our lives stand still in the wait of DF. Life is too short to play crappy games. From what I hear DX10 isn't even available in  AoC beta , a month and a half before launch. Yeah, it will lag in any PvP zone where more than 40 gamers can gather.

Originally posted by Xris375
Some of us actually wants quality gaming time and it's not like our lives stand still in the wait of DF. Life is too short to play crappy games. From what I hear DX10 isn't even available in  AoC beta , a month and a half before launch. Yeah, it will lag in any PvP zone where more than 40 gamers can gather.

We all want quality gaming time, but that's not what a beta test is about, hence the word "test".

Since you don't know anything about the AoC beta outside of rumors, particularly anything about its PVP lag or lackthereof, you can't really comment, now can you? Would it blow your mind to learn that some games have multiple external and internal beta tests happening at the same time with multiple clients? That's what a real beta test looks like.

Darkfall fans have no room to cry doom on AoC

While I would love Darkfall to release to the masses and prove us all wrong.  It won't happen.  By looking at the screenshots, by watching the few videos that DF has released, I can't even imagine why anyone would be led to believe that DF's graphics are better.  The fact that AoC's dreamworld engine is far more advanced cannot be debated.  It is a fact.  News flash to the ignorant.  A 8800 Ultra can run AoC on max settings.

If you like the art style of DF over AoC, good for you.  Just don't attempt to debate graphic technology.  You have no argument, plan and simple. 

Not only that, to me at least, it's hard to stick up for a game that has been in alpha for the past 8 years and the DF team doesn't seem to be at all interested in showing the public anything.  So where do the DF people get off accusing AoC of being buggy because they haven't gone to open beta?  What does that say for your game and devs if they won't show anything at all after 8 years of production. 

Yeah, that's what I thought.

Originally posted by Daedalus732

 

Originally posted by Xris375
Some of us actually wants quality gaming time and it's not like our lives stand still in the wait of DF. Life is too short to play crappy games. From what I hear DX10 isn't even available in  AoC beta , a month and a half before launch. Yeah, it will lag in any PvP zone where more than 40 gamers can gather.

 

We all want quality gaming time, but that's not what a beta test is about, hence the word "test".

Since you don't know anything about the AoC beta outside of rumors, particularly anything about its PVP lag or lackthereof, you can't really comment, now can you? Would it blow your mind to learn that some games have multiple external and internal beta tests happening at the same time with multiple clients? That's what a real beta test looks like.

Darkfall fans have no room to cry doom on AoC

I can comment about the use about technology. Internet will create lagg in graphical heavy clients. No number of testing will  solve that problem.

Originally posted by Xris375

I can comment about the use about technology. Internet will create lagg in graphical heavy clients. No number of testing will  solve that problem.

Actually that has very little to do with the fact that its the internet.. its your local client thats lagging graphically, and would do so with the same amount of characters on the screen if it was an offline game... The only affect being in an mmo has over being offline is that player characters might randomly wander in and out of your field of view more so than npcs, causing your local client to have to load/unload/manage their models/textures on the fly, which causes your usual mmo city hitching that you see in most populated large areas/cities in mmos

As for DarkFall vs AoC - darkfall is still vapourware.. aoc is in preorder mode.  Once that changes then we can discuss one vs the other.

Originally posted by DAS1337

While I would love Darkfall to release to the masses and prove us all wrong.  It won't happen.  By looking at the screenshots, by watching the few videos that DF has released, I can't even imagine why anyone would be led to believe that DF's graphics are better.  The fact that AoC's dreamworld engine is far more advanced cannot be debated.  It is a fact.  News flash to the ignorant.  A 8800 Ultra can run AoC on max settings.

 

If you like the art style of DF over AoC, good for you.  Just don't attempt to debate graphic technology.  You have no argument, plan and simple. 

 

Not only that, to me at least, it's hard to stick up for a game that has been in alpha for the past 8 years and the DF team doesn't seem to be at all interested in showing the public anything.  So where do the DF people get off accusing AoC of being buggy because they haven't gone to open beta?  What does that say for your game and devs if they won't show anything at all after 8 years of production. 

 

Yeah, that's what I thought.

AoC is being made by a huge development team vs Darkfall which is being made by a small team.   A big team will take less time then a small team to make the same size game.   Now lets put in that Darkfall is alot bigger then AoC in terms of game world size.

AoC has a full time Advertising team were as Darkfall does not have any. 

Now I agree the AoC graphic engine is better overall then Darkfall's but like I said its more about gameplay and the AoC video's on combat was bad. (atleast to me).  It is going to be too much information, too many choices with not enough time to make the choice.  It will become people learning which skills/combo's work best and that will be that.

I have not seen how ranged/Casting will work but It seems like it will be easlier to play a caster or a ranged class then a melee class which (again in opinion) will limit the number of players playing as a melee class.

Darkfall is no more vaporware then AoC or WAR.  It is just going to take longer to come out because it has alot smaller team with the same or more work.

Originally posted by Xris375

I can comment about the use about technology. Internet will create lagg in graphical heavy clients. No number of testing will  solve that problem.

I've never played an MMO that was lag free 100% of the time. Of course there will be lag, but testing does help to diminish it.

Not sure what you are trying to do here other than be a pill.