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Originally posted by UNATCOII

 

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Originally posted by Arndur
They may not be able to talk about it like it happened to them but they can talk about it. Classic rock for example i love it. I really only listen to Christan rock and mabye a few other bands but mostly its stuff older then 15 years at least. For poltics i like to look back into that stuff so i can talk about it. But i can see where you would rather to talk to someone who did experience it and not just someone who read it.
Now ill talk about current stuff and the older people in the guild may have no idea what im talking about but i have no problem with this.

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It's not "classic" Rock, it IS Rock! Whatever they're serving now just doesn't compare to music that required actually playing an instrument (not laboring in some studio digitally mixing and remixing tracks to sound decent)! lololol

I've always said I prefer analog music, because I at least knew that whatever they did in the studio, it was to enhance, not recreate soundtracks -- musicians had to at least be competent players and trust the engineers to mix it right. Not loop tracks and pass that off as being creative.

Life experiences can't be delievered from reading Wikipedia. Like I can't relate to your world now, you can't relate to the 70s/80s that I grew up in.

I'd prefer to associate with folks who I can relate to, those who grew up watching and listening what we ALL watched (no 400 channels to chose from, on TV and radio), who share similiar values, as well.

As to the people who say that 18+ is so that they are in control of their play time, ive seen that more often on the older people becuase of college or a job or a family. In the guilds i am in the people under 18 are the ones on the most.

When a guild says 18+...

I go look elsewhere!  :P

Whatever their goal or objective is, it isn't interesting me.  It may be a pretext to enforce harsh policies, to talk dirty, to expect XYZ from their members.

I like my freedom.  If I see a guild motivation is to limit my freedom, I go elsewhere.  And a guild with a 18+ label is a clear sign of that...and if they insist that they want me, I am really scared and join ANY other guild to close the debate.

Kids at best are open minded, they are friendly, they are nice, they are willing to please everyone.  Kids at worst are brash, unthinked, immoral(not bad, immoral as in, I didn't think about that in this way).

If anyone put the focus on their age, usually it is an excuse for something bad...it is a justification.  And justifications are things I don't like, as they are there because of a problematic.  However, if a PvP-minded guild would put an age requirement of 30-, it would make me laugh a LOT and I would try to help them in a way or another.  :P

I was thinking about this the other day, imo the biggest problem is NO ONE is inforcing any of the restrictions now days (what is the point in having a rating on a video game if no one is going to inforce it). Young people will ALWAYS do things they're not suppose to, we all did, but in doing so we knew the chance we were taking would result in some sort of penalty. Now days no one pays any attention to whats going on, and the sad part is that its the people from my generation that are the ones that are suppose to be paying attention and inforcing those penalties. There is no fear factor in society anymore, young people don't know what its like to be scared of something unless someone is shooting up there school (which is far to extreme of an example)

That is prolly a little off topic but in addition to this, I prefer a guild with mostly people that are 30+ simply cause south park qoutes, how high you are or how many times you can call someone a fag or say the word rape gets very tiring very fast to someone like myself. I am not saying all young people are like this, unfortunatly though alot of them are. In hinde sight if you want to guild up with mature people, than be mature, your age won't matter.

While I am on a rant, what is the deal with not having "monitored age restricted servers"? Something about a 13 or 14 y/o kid playing a video game everyday with someone 10 or 20 years older than them doesn't sit right with me...

Oh wait BLAME THE PARENTS! (that will solve everything)

Originally posted by Master_Razor

Ever since I turned 18 I've had much less time than I did when I was younger. Reason being I have a job now. My schedule is pretty crazy. When I was in high school before I started working I had an easy schedule that I could plan around. I'd rather have someone who was still in school personally.

Now that I've left education and have a 9-5 my schedule is way more manageable. Back when I was raiding in WoW, I was able to commit to about 3 raid sessions (4 hour continuous raids) a week without a problem.

Everyone's different of course, but I do believe that on average adults have a lot more control over their free-time when compared with the under 18s.

I can't understand people are so butthurt about this.

The age is the only measurement you can have that reflects a stage in a persons life that is to interest in the clan/guild.

18yo usually are just finished with school, or are in college (thinking otuside the US too). Most of the people don't have their parents shutting down their computer at 10:30pm and telling them to go to bed. Between 16 and 18 is mentally, and socially quite a big of a difference.

Exactly as telfoneddie said; when an important person to your guild leaves because of "oh no my mommy doesnt like me to play so much anymore", it takes a big hit to all of the guilds game experience.

Yes ofcourse there are 12yo that act really mature, and there are 25yo that need to go back to kindergarten. But on AVERAGE 18+ people are more mature, have more control over their real life so that they can succeed in game to whatever you are playing for.

I myself am 21 yo, live on myself, lived through quite a few things. Moved out and about, moved countries even. This doesnt mean that i am mature, definately not. But a 21yo has generally more life experience, social experience, and is just better to focus their time to when they need to, than a 16yo (time focus i mean: If raid starts at 6pm, and u finish at 12pm, u usually can sit through another hour to 1am and take 1hr less sleep).

As i said, the age is the only real measurement that you can put as a rule in a clan/guild, as well as an easy way to reject members.

I dont mind playing with people that are under 18, as long as they can act normal and handle the grown up stuff, join the club.

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Originally posted by Travizty

I was thinking about this the other day, imo the biggest problem is NO ONE is inforcing any of the restrictions now days (what is the point in having a rating on a video game if no one is going to inforce it).

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Precisely.

I try to buy and play M rated games. I got F.E.A.R. thinking it'll have the mindset of the DX community. Was totally wrong. On their forums there are parents letting their 12 year-olds play a game with adult themes so disturbing it should be considered child abuse for them to play it (e.g., Alma is raped at 13 years-old and imprisoned to die, not once but twice). Mods don't say a thing enforcing the M rating on the forums, so you can expect they don't give a damn if 12 year-olds buy or stole it, either.

Then when I got BF2142, I gritted my teeth because it has a T rating, thinking every brat on Earth would be playing the game. Guess what? It's one of the nicest game communities I've been on, despite it being a FPS, and the 12 year-olds who play the game the parents play with them. No blood, no guts, but no want of everyone playing the game as fighters.

It's not the age I care so much about, as some kids can be mature and not just act the part. What I'm more concerned about is the mindset of a community, and if it attracts the sociopathic element or not. I don't want to play a game with folks who think it's fun plucking wings off of flies; let alone guilds that think it's fun killing unarmed newbies, then claiming they're the n00bs. Darwinism in games is nothing like it is in real life, as these wimps would be the first to keel over, as there's no hack/cheat/store to save them -- nor a cry of "n00b" will prevent them being cannon fodder.

Games should be what they claim to be. If it's for 18+, then enforce it. Gaming would be much more fun, too.

Originally posted by Arndur

I find it odd that many guilds add a 18+ age limit. After playing through a fair share of guilds in wow, through vent i learned that many of the good, alot of the time better then the older players, and are just as mature. Ive always wondered why they would cut out that age group.

 

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TBH most guilds that tack 18+ allow exceptions to the rule for younger players who are mature.  While there are 18+ that are asshats and more immature than your average 5 year old and there are <18's that are more mature than your average 25 year old it is a simple fact that more people over 18 are mature than people under 18.  Thus many guilds make a rule of 18+ or even 21+.  Hell I know of a couple guilds in MMO's not to be named that have 25 as their 'minimum' age.  Though in every case every single guild I've known has made exceptions for those that are deemed mature enough by the membership.

Personally I prefer guilds that have an age limit.  If for no other reason than it's just wierd playing a video game with someone who could be my kid's buddy at school :)

It's about maturity... nuff said

we really dont require a person to be 18 yrs old to join our guild.. as long as the player is a active gamer they are in