Well Draenor,

To put it politely. I am not too hip on misinformation. Thats groovy you want to debate the bible and or history of it. But honestly I am not going to debate on hearsay. So for your benefit concerning biblical omissions I will show just some in this link. While you make it out to seem as though it is not bad. I see it quite differently.

If you wish to see them visit www.theseason.org/omitted1.htm

Thanks!

Originally posted by upallnight

Originally posted by vickypollard

Why believe a book that people wrote ages ago? Just made up stories......

Has there ever been any proof of "GOD"? no......

"Have faith" was just invented as a excuse to get outta any questions.

You think it's more believable that the universe and time just appeared?

Who said the universe came from nowhere? Besides where did God come from? Surely if he could come from nowhere then the Universe could? I mean The Universe has always been there but just in a different form.... noone knows the truth anyways but I sure as hell don't believe in a God made up by man.


Friggin why believe in a God when the story of evolution and how the universe is created is a far more diverse and beautiful story and more interesting story. Have you ever watched Planet Earth and Blue Planet? It's like if that's what evolution and time can make then i'd rather believe in this theory than a God.

Catholics were responsible for writing the New Testament (under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit), the Catholic Church doesn't "interpret" the Bible. They explain it.

Protestants can only "interpret", because they are not the author (guided by the Holy Spirit), and therefore, can only guess at the possible meaning of a chapter, passage or phrase, just as anyone can only guess at any author's intentions in any other book.

As the author, the Catholic Church is the only proper authority to consult in matters pertaining to the Bible.

Without the Catholic Church you have no Bible, just a bunch of books and letters.

With the Church you have the Bible.

Originally posted by porgie

I recently converted to Christianity.  I'm proud of my decision.  However, I don't think that anyone who is a conventional evangelical Christian would find they agree with me on too much.

I find it relatively easy to question items in the Bible that is of widespread use in most of the evangelical churches.  I know there are a some slight variations in that Bible even.  But I find it sad to hear people quote it as if it is absolute fact without question.

Even amongst the folks who have studied the ancient languages there is disagreement to some extent or another on what the translations are.  And even amongst those folks there are some scriptures where they almost unanimously disagree on what evangelicals use as translations.

The reason that I am prompted to write this is actually two reasons.  The motivation first off was a show that I was just watching about Jesus.  In it they were talking about Judas.  Judas has long been thought of in evangelical circles as the betrayer of Jesus.  But he wasn't.  They had a Greek language scholar say that those are mistranslations.  He even said it with a chuckle in his voice leading me to believe he was laughing at how crazy it all is.  He said those Greek passages say that Judas was simply the one that handed him over, not took money as betrayal.  In other words, Jesus told him to go to the high priests and turn him in.  He told him to because Judas was the one disciple he called his "friend" and that he trusted enough to perform the task.

Now, here's my other motivation.  I wonder if anyone who is an evangelical ever considers what they are doing?  If this is a mistranslation, then why aren't you guys able to question this and other mistranslations and have it fixed?  Why?  Is it because tradition is too strong a factor?  Or is it because if you question one mistranslation then the house of cards might come tumbling down?

I would think that people would want the truth to be told.  But then again, I have seen all too often where the truth has been hidden.

Also, the church I attend welcomes, even encourages, questions like this.  Our preacher will stand up and profess anything found by one of us to the whole during a sermon.  It's not hidden, it's opened.  Is this the case in your church?  Or does that King James version of the Bible just keep on trucking along no matter?

I am now going to burst your bubble and anyone who thinks that rewrite of the bible the racist Europeans used to subjugate blacks is BS. Here is some food for though long read....Enjoy.

The original and biblical Hebrews were black and there was never anyone in the bible called Jesus Christ lol. This bible you see today is a warped version of the real bible..the old testament which 15 century racist rewrote in there quests to subjugate the black man and take them away from the truth and to justified there campaign of slavery to the common folk of Europe..especially England..Portugal and the USA.
Real name of Jesus is..Yashua Bin Yosef and he is described in the bible and by eyewitness accounts by Romans to be Black. The bible describes him as being the lamb of god with his hair like lambs wool nappy.. and his feet black like burnt brass. The first roman depiction of Yashua was found in a roman church in AD530 and it clearly shows him to be of Negroid decent like all Hebrews and Israelite were at that time.

The jew that you see today are not the bible jew and hold no ancestral claim to the land they are occupying and before 1947 had never set foot in the holy land. They are descendants from Edomites and Khazer people. The edomite are descendant from Esau who was born ruddy (red) and hairy.This describes the white man who is all shades of red, and hairy, according to Gen 25:25; "And the first came out red all over like an hairy garment; and they called him Esau,"

Esau was the albino, Fraternal twin brother of Jacob, who was the father of the original Black Israelites. Rom 9:13 " clearly state "As it is written, Jacob have i loved, but Esau have i hated."

These Jew are not descendant of the house of Israel . they are descendants from the Idumeans who were conquered  in 730-740ish AD and were forced to convert to the laws of Judaism, and then becoming Jews.

Let me explain a bit more about where these people come from then i will give you a history lesson on the real 12 tribes of Israel.

The continue, Biblical history relates that the descendants of Araham,namely Jacob(Israel) and his 12 sons and 70 wives in all , migrated from Canaan(which was a black negroid area in Iraq before arab invaders came and is near the city of Basra..go there to day and you will still find black descendants of Jacob as reported by US and british soliders) to Egypt, and during their sojourn,the children of israel multiplied from a family of 70 to a nation of well over 2 million people by the time of the exodus(remember bob marley's song..Exodus children of jah people.oh yeah .jah means god).

This massive number of people in such a short space of time could only have come about through intermarriage of Jacobs and the native Black Egyptian population. Each one of Jacobs sons became a tribal nation which made up the greater nation of Isreal. They were Reuben, Dan, Simeon,Gad,Levi,Asher,Judah,Naphtali,Zebulon,Joseph,Issachar and Benjamin.

All of Ham`s four sons and their descendant's ancient egyptians, Ethiopians,Somalis Canaanites and so on,settled in and around the continent of Africa ,including the so called middle east which has always been part of Africa.

The israelites are the descendants of Noah`s other son Shem through Abraham,who is the farther of Isaac who is the farther of Jacob who had the twelve sons mentioned above,who are the ancestors of the true israelite nation.

There empire was from the black sea to the Caspian, and from the Caucasus to Volga, was located between the two major super powers of that time....1. the eastern Roman Empire in Byzantium(Christian) and the followers of  Muhammad(Islam) yes this war  has been going on a long time lol, it didn't start with 9/11 country to belief its an old age conflict.

I mention Khazar jews ..well this third force of people or the khazar empire who were eastern european like the edomites did not want to except Christianity or Islam because they did not want to be ruled by the Roman Emperor, or the Caliph of Baghdad the two main super powers of that time. The khazar king instead chose to embrace the Jewish faith and ordered his subjects to do the same in 730-740 ad the Judaism religion became the official state religion of the khazar empire and they now make up 90% of the jews you see today on this earth..there`s is a stolen religion.

They began to practice circumcision like the original black biblical Hebrew and started giving themselves Hebrew names. They also studied the Torah and Talmud, spoke and wrote in Hebrew , observed Hanukkah, pesac and the sabbath, and synagogues and rabbis.

Lets look at some of the facts..

To understand what has gone on we have to go back ,way back to Noah and trace his offspring and where they Settled and who they were.

Genesis 5:32 clearly states that Noah was 500 years old when his wife Namah had 3 boys ,meaning he was 50 years old when his wife had triplets. His sons names were ..Ham..Shem..Japheth. Then in Genesis 7:6 it says Noah was 600 years old when the floods came meaning he was 60 and his sons were 10 years old. Genesis 6:9 then goes on to state " And these are the Generations oF Noah" What it means here is at that time Noahs genes had not been mixed with any other color/race of people and that is why god said he was perfect in generations.

Now this is where the racist like to twist it and tell you that Noah sons were of three different races lol..Black  White and Asian..if you believe this can happen then you are probably a follower of the racist Europeans who spouted this shit in the 15 century to justify there connection to a book that has nothing whatsoever to do with WHITE Europeans..sorry but they were not involved in any of this till much later.

Now lets get back to Noah's sons and there descendants that make up the real 12 tribes of Israel. Genesis 10:6 continues by saying " and the sons of Ham (Sudan );.. Cush..(Ethopia), Mizraim (Egypt)..yes the original Egyptians were black and not the arab invaders you see there today ..Phut(carthage/Libya) yes if you go to libya today you will find many black people...and Canaan, who was cursed and settled outside the so called middle east. This family is traced through the bible in an unbroken chain to David, who Violated the law by marrying a Canaanite,which was strictly forbidden by God,who in Genesis 24:3-4 issued a command not to marry outside one`s own kindred so the perfect genealogy of the holy seed cannot be damage but he broke the law and did just that..

This can be seen in the Song of Solomon: verse 4..which changes from Negro to Mulatto, as a result of the unholy mixture. great isn't it..lol there is more to come..sit back and enjoy the ride..here is part of the song

"Thou art fair,thy hair is as a flock of goats" which means straight and wavy, not like a sheep which is woolly and nappy just like the person you love to call Jesse's was woolly and nappy like a lambs..hence the saying..the lamb of god. The song continues in verse 2 saying "lips like Scarlet" meaning reddish(white people lips.. " my beloved is white and ruddy," and verse 14 says, "his belly is as bright Ivory.". As you can see by this song..David who was black married a Canaanite(Iranian looking person) as explained in the book of Ezra 9:1-2, infected the holy seed which could no longer travel down the line of Solomon.

Solomon who again was black and descendants from ham(ethiopia) and who set up Jerusalem ,had an older brother called Adonijah(1 Kings 1:5) by David through a Negroid wife, called Haggith. Adonijah was denied his birthright and put into exile, but then he set up the kingdom of Judea to preserve the holy seed or tribe of Judah. Solomon and his army then forced these tribes that were called..Dina, Asher, Dan, Benjamin, Issachear, to migrate through Yemen into Ethiopia, spreading northward back to their original homelands in Africa.

This is where it gets more interesting lol..its a hoot isn't it..bet they never taught you this a prey meetings or school lol.

Not all of Adonijah people went with him back to africa,some stayed behind and set up the villages of Nazareth, Magdella and Galilee ,just to mention a few and if you go there today you will still find descendants from these people and guess what..they are Negroid people.

DNA has unmistakably reveled that the tombs containing the names and bodies of Mary of Magdalene, Martha and Lazarus in the village of Magdella where they lived were in fact Negroes.

Biblical Jews and Hebrews were a Black African people from the line of ham,and many of them still are especially in Northern Africa. These black Jews were ruthlessly persecuted by white Romans in the Roman- Jewish War in AD. 66. This war saw the end of the ancient original Black Jews(israelites-hebrews as a nation, with 1.1 million Hebrews slain, causing the entire lake of Galilee to turn red with blood and become littered with body's. Millions fled back to Africa to avoid destruction, but centuries later,their descendants were captured and sold into slavery in America and the caribbean by white European money hungry slave traders.

Black Israelite immigrants from northern and eastern Africa merged with indigenous groups in west Africa to become the Fulani of Futa Jalon, Bornu, Kamen and Lake Chad. Ashati, the Hausa,the B`nai Ephraim and Mavumbu all share their roots with black Hebrew Israelite.

The name Hebrew was inherited from Abraham(notice his name Abra..HAM WHICH ACTUALLY MEANS BLACK who came from Ethiopia and was black just like the blacks who live there today in 130 degree heat lol..heat that would bring a white persons skin serious cancer.

Gen.13:18, 14:13 1 Chron. 11:3-6)...states there were two tribes, Benjamin and Judah of the Ethiopian that inherited the name "Jew" (2 kings 16:6: 18:26).

Let me explain the word Jews just so you can get a grip with the meaning and what it entails.

The words "jew and gentiles covers all the people on the earth."jew" represents all Negroes who are referred to as Sheep in the bible and the word Gentiles represents all Straight haired people, who are referred to as Goats (rom. 9.24: Dan. 8:20-21.

Lets take a quote fro John and Matthew..

John 10:27. " My sheep hear my voice and i know them and they follow me"

Matthew 25:33." And he shall set the sheep on his right hand , but the goat on his left"

This goes back to Hams son who received a curse for going outside his tribe remember.. Gen 9:25, Ham`s son Canaan was stripped of all his lands, and identity, and language was to be given to the israelites starting with Abraham(Gen 12;5-7.

Gen 9:25-27 clearly states.."And God Cursed Canaan: a servant he shall be unto his brethren..and God said , Blessed be the God of Shem: Noah's other son and Canaan shall be his servant.

I could go on and on but hey ..i think you get the jest of it by now. The book and blond haired idol that you so worship is a lie,it never happened and the household names like..Moses ..Joseph and his multi colored dream coat were in fact stories about black people who lived in lands with 120 degree heat+ ..just this fact alone should tell you the truth about white european acting in plays about Jesus and Joseph are in fact bs. Charlton Heston in the 10 commandments is BS lol .

Did you know there have been 4 black roman emperors..

www.youtube.com/watch

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If all these texts were supposed to be the word of God why aren't they all included? Is there anything in the Bible saying God put a cutoff date or does he state which books should be used/ignored? How are we to judge the word of God?

Its like ignoring parts of a car manual, assembling the car, then wondering why its not working right.

Originally posted by upallnight

Originally posted by vickypollard

Why believe a book that people wrote ages ago? Just made up stories......

Has there ever been any proof of "GOD"? no......

"Have faith" was just invented as a excuse to get outta any questions.

You think it's more believable that the universe and time just appeared?

That is the question that well want an answer to, and here is my take on it, for now.

Either the universe and time just appeared, or God just appeared and created the universe and time.

By cutting god out of that equation I eliminate one step of "magic".

Besides, we are now within one billionth of a second away from the actual big bang in our research, we are not one step closer to god today then we were the day he was made up, probably the opposite.

As to the bible, or any ancient text of religion created to "guide" us?

They are ultimate tools of power for those who wield them.

Nothing more, nothing less, and they will be used like that until the day humanity rids itself of its greatest ball and chain.

Religion is like communism, a great idea on paper but utterly horrible as soon as you involve real people.

Originally posted by Umbrood

 

As to the bible, or any ancient text of religion created to "guide" us?

They are ultimate tools of power for those who wield them.

Nothing more, nothing less, and they will be used like that until the day humanity rids itself of its greatest ball and chain.

Religion is like communism, a great idea on paper but utterly horrible as soon as you involve real people.

 

I bet you believe in the merits of science, right?

I quote the bible as fact. I believe everything written in the bible is true. I have read many translations as well as i have learned to study from the greek and hebrew original texts. There are a ton of doctrines out there what you really need to do is be like the bereans and search the bible yourself to see if doctrines that are being taught are true. Granted there are some things in the bible that are loosely translated but if your a good steward of the word and an approved studier you'll be able to catch some of these things. I guess God should have thought about what he was doing when he scattered the languages at babal, :) really God is in control, he knows what he's doing but he also gave us a brain to recognize right from wrong it just takes some effort on our part.

Keeper

Originally posted by outfctrl

Catholics were responsible for writing the New Testament (under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit), the Catholic Church doesn't "interpret" the Bible. They explain it.

Protestants can only "interpret", because they are not the author (guided by the Holy Spirit), and therefore, can only guess at the possible meaning of a chapter, passage or phrase, just as anyone can only guess at any author's intentions in any other book.

As the author, the Catholic Church is the only proper authority to consult in matters pertaining to the Bible.

Without the Catholic Church you have no Bible, just a bunch of books and letters.

With the Church you have the Bible.

The people who wrote the bible did so over a thousand-five hundred years ago, they were the ones supposedly guided by the holy spirit.  Anyone and everyone who has read it, translated it, et cetera has interpreted it.  The Catholic Church is different from it's original church, they are different people, they hold different views, and therefore they interpret the gospel just as every other denomonation of christianity.

I agree with the poster who said the bible is a guide, people see many condradictions in the bible simply because one book may word it differently than the other. I think in the end ppl are looking for a excuse to not believe in God. That is just my opinion and i'm sure someone will comment about me saying this...lol. :)

I also have a link to a website that may guide you, there is a question and answer section and even a section with bible condratictions, if you want go here and look to the left where the menu is. http://www.carm.org/  <~~ is the site.

The universe is endless; thus, it was never created, therefore, it will - and can -  never be destroyed. (link the theories about Big Bang and Big Crash together)

Love G with all your heart and all your soul.
Treat your neighbors with love and forgiveness, just as you would want them to do to you.

Study the many "religious" texts for ideas you might try to apply to YOURSELF to improve your existence... not to OTHERS; take guidance where others went wrong so you are less likely to make the same mistakes.

G still exists, establish a personal dialogue (eg. prayer, even a few times a day to help focus your thoughts.) You hope to spend eternity with/near G, use this earthly-mortal lifetime to prepare that you might be found worthy to get closer to G. Like His Will be done.

Consider all that you do, does it well represent your dedication to G.

The Christ thing...
1. and the nt (new testament,) know that more than half of the nt is written by people that did NOT hear nor see Christ and his Teachings, those "scriptures" are based on hearsay.
2. the romans, jews and rcc (roman catholic church;) those guys not only murdered Christ but eight of his disciples. And for hundreds, even thousands of years took great sport putting to death others that did not PAY into their versions of dogma. Like most jews today venerate their babylonian talmud instead of their OT (Old Testament/ TaNaKh) so catholics venerate their latin-only nt and the pope insists only his version is the way to their iesu/ge-sus. They also sought to suppress and eliminate any other religious sects that did not support their dogmas. (eg. jews, heretics, protestants, moslems, witches, ect.)
3. If you really want the jew offshoot religion, the jew-Nazarene Christ Teachings, start with the guy's actual name (Yehoshua aramaic) with an english accent that is Joshua (Yeshua.) The proper name Yehoshua means G is salvation. Study and be aware of Christ's teachings from those that actually saw and heard them, real disciples trained by him. But worship G, do not be deceived and replace G and instead venerate Christ nor the nt. You will find from your studies of the OT how much of a NONO it is to replace G and worship something else.
4. What you find as the nt is what the byzantine romans fabricated to document in written form what was their endorsed version of saul's apostic dogma. This was necessary because 300 years after the crufixion most 'chrestians' were getting tired of waiting for Christ's return. So, they abridged allot of text/manuscripts that their version of catholicism would be founded on and abridged that to the jew OT.

But it all really comes down to your personal relationship with G. Those many opinions/scriptures of how that is best accomplished even this very life are chances for you to practice free-choice. Try to make G proud with how you live your life.

Originally posted by outfctrl

Catholics were responsible for writing the New Testament (under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit), the Catholic Church doesn't "interpret" the Bible. They explain it.

Protestants can only "interpret", because they are not the author (guided by the Holy Spirit), and therefore, can only guess at the possible meaning of a chapter, passage or phrase, just as anyone can only guess at any author's intentions in any other book.

As the author, the Catholic Church is the only proper authority to consult in matters pertaining to the Bible.

Without the Catholic Church you have no Bible, just a bunch of books and letters.

With the Church you have the Bible.

This is pure BS lol..the Catholic church the only people with proper authority lol..that's what they have convinced their followers over the years but the truth is they are sending there followers to hell. The holy mother that you worship is a lie and she never looked like how the church is portraying her. There is only one true version of the bible and that is the old testament of which all others are based.

White europeans were never part of that book and have NO connection to the holyseed..its a lie. That man in Rome masquerading as the holy man on earth is a lie and his only connection to god or Yashua is he learnt the teachings from the false scriptures of  7 century and 15 century racist who have kept the truth hidden for 100s of years..

The pope is no more holy than you or me for that matter. There was never anyone called Jesus Christ and the name Jesus was introduced in the 15 century by England. It is a latin word but replaced with a j instead of an i.

Your so called holy leader is sending his followers to hell believing in false idols and unholy scriptures.

Originally posted by MadAce

 

Originally posted by Umbrood

 

As to the bible, or any ancient text of religion created to "guide" us?

They are ultimate tools of power for those who wield them.

Nothing more, nothing less, and they will be used like that until the day humanity rids itself of its greatest ball and chain.

Religion is like communism, a great idea on paper but utterly horrible as soon as you involve real people.

 

 

I bet you believe in the merits of science, right?

If you are asking if I believe everything put forth as science just because it is "science" then no.

I need to have at least a rudimentary understanding of a theory to believe or disbelieve it.

Interesting thread,

Hey Draenor,

I feel you're the best to answer this, also you brought it up. Why is it necessary for Jesus to die for man's sins. It is not justice in my mind that people are born with original sin. So if I have a son, the son is already born with sins and already has a debt at a few years old. So if a baby dies do they go to hell? Post-baptism? pre-baptism? Is a child x<10 years old responsible for their beliefs?

I am just trying to understand the issue with Jesus dying for our sins. I am looking it up on wikipedia, i guess i originally thought it was due to Adam's weakness and thus if we believe in Jesus we get those sins that someone else committed wiped out? Sorry if i sound ignorant, i just don't understand it?

To the OP:

Anyway, questioning something is good, but a person better be open-minded to the answer. Furthermore, if you're going to question something in anything, it's best, you do some research about it in general.

In reference to science.

I consider myself a pre-scientist (meaning I do science but i'm not a Ph.D. in a subject).

The point I want to make is that the more I research science, the more bullshit it becomes. So many things are contradictory its not even funny. So much science is really BS science that someone just passes through to keep their job or to convince the market of a dubious product. There is a lot of science that is fantastic, but science is not the end all and be all and i wouldn't consider science an alternative to religion. Then again, I think religion and science go hand in hand but that's just me. If i wasn't into science myself, i'd be an atheist for sure. Thus, science convinces me of religion. I know, I'm weird. I cringe when someone thinks of science as the golden standard of truth and fact. It's a really good one, it's probably one of the highest standards we have, but it's not 100% factual.

Cryomatrix

Originally posted by Cryomatrix

Interesting thread,

Hey Draenor,

I feel you're the best to answer this, also you brought it up. Why is it necessary for Jesus to die for man's sins. It is not justice in my mind that people are born with original sin. So if I have a son, the son is already born with sins and already has a debt at a few years old. So if a baby dies do they go to hell? Post-baptism? pre-baptism? Is a child x<10 years old responsible for their beliefs?

I am just trying to understand the issue with Jesus dying for our sins. I am looking it up on wikipedia, i guess i originally thought it was due to Adam's weakness and thus if we believe in Jesus we get those sins that someone else committed wiped out? Sorry if i sound ignorant, i just don't understand it?

To the OP:

Anyway, questioning something is good, but a person better be open-minded to the answer. Furthermore, if you're going to question something in anything, it's best, you do some research about it in general.

In reference to science.

I consider myself a pre-scientist (meaning I do science but i'm not a Ph.D. in a subject).

The point I want to make is that the more I research science, the more bullshit it becomes. So many things are contradictory its not even funny. So much science is really BS science that someone just passes through to keep their job or to convince the market of a dubious product. There is a lot of science that is fantastic, but science is not the end all and be all and i wouldn't consider science an alternative to religion. Then again, I think religion and science go hand in hand but that's just me. If i wasn't into science myself, i'd be an atheist for sure. Thus, science convinces me of religion. I know, I'm weird. I cringe when someone thinks of science as the golden standard of truth and fact. It's a really good one, it's probably one of the highest standards we have, but it's not 100% factual.

Cryomatrix

Cryo read this http://www.carm.org/questions/suffering.htm 

This may or may not help you but its a guide nonetheless but also note Adam was the first and we inherit from him his nature....his traits...his free will, his curiousity, and also his rebellion. We all inherited something from our ancestors...im 6'1" tall and have brownish hair...is it fair that i inherited this from my ancestors?

also http://www.carm.org/questions/whydidGodcreateus.htm

http://www.carm.org/questions/people_sin.htm

http://www.carm.org/questions/hell.htm

Some other questions for skeptics...

http://www.carm.org/questions_skeptics.htm

Originally posted by Umbrood

 

Originally posted by MadAce

 

Originally posted by Umbrood

 

As to the bible, or any ancient text of religion created to "guide" us?

They are ultimate tools of power for those who wield them.

Nothing more, nothing less, and they will be used like that until the day humanity rids itself of its greatest ball and chain.

Religion is like communism, a great idea on paper but utterly horrible as soon as you involve real people.

 

 

I bet you believe in the merits of science, right?

Not sure I understand the question, but yes I believe in science, if I can understand it.

You were bashing religion.

What does science tell you about religion? Does religion have a reason for existence according to science?

Originally posted by outfctrl

Catholics were responsible for writing the New Testament (under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit), the Catholic Church doesn't "interpret" the Bible. They explain it.

Protestants can only "interpret", because they are not the author (guided by the Holy Spirit), and therefore, can only guess at the possible meaning of a chapter, passage or phrase, just as anyone can only guess at any author's intentions in any other book.

As the author, the Catholic Church is the only proper authority to consult in matters pertaining to the Bible.

Without the Catholic Church you have no Bible, just a bunch of books and letters.

With the Church you have the Bible.

You are the only one thats used this statment....And Im not surprised.From the BIker's I've hungout with from time to time, they  are the most real people I've know.And That is the most powerful comment made in this post.The Devil is in the details..

Originally posted by vickypollard

Originally posted by upallnight

Originally posted by vickypollard

Why believe a book that people wrote ages ago? Just made up stories......

Has there ever been any proof of "GOD"? no......

"Have faith" was just invented as a excuse to get outta any questions.

You think it's more believable that the universe and time just appeared?

Who said the universe came from nowhere? Besides where did God come from? Surely if he could come from nowhere then the Universe could? I mean The Universe has always been there but just in a different form.... noone knows the truth anyways but I sure as hell don't believe in a God made up by man.


Friggin why believe in a God when the story of evolution and how the universe is created is a far more diverse and beautiful story and more interesting story. Have you ever watched Planet Earth and Blue Planet? It's like if that's what evolution and time can make then i'd rather believe in this theory than a God.

I'm not so sure where the argument "who made God" means anything really.  Why do people get tied up with that?  Our creator has promised us that he will take care of us if we respect him and his love.  It's just like a human father asking his child to respect the rules of his house or he's out of there.  I don't think the things he asks of us are too unreasonable.  Apparently, some people do because they find them so hard to follow.  And even then, all you have to do is admit you were wrong and ask him to forgive you.

And the reason I believe in a God is because of his promise to guide us in life and after.

God could've made himself. You can safely drop linear thinking when dealing with all-powerful creatures.