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hubertgrove 3/25/08 7:05:22 AM
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October 21, 2002Stripping the "Dark" from "Dark Elf" in EQ
Sandy Brundage October 9, 2000 9:57 PM PDT Last Monday an EverQuest (EQ) veteran known as "Mystere" was cut off without warning from the MMORPG over a story posted in July on Everlore and EQ Vault message boards. The boards were not officially affiliated with Sony Online Entertainment or its Verant Interactive studio. Mystere said the story was an attempt to explore the dark elves, an evil race Verant chose to place in the EQ world. "At the time, there had been many dark elves who were going `against the grain' and basically turning into nice people. I was interested in returning the dark elves to their origins, that is, reminding people that they aren't portrayed as a nice race in game," he said. "Their origins are from the torture of two high elves by the god of hatred. This torture took 3000 years. The dark elves are steeped in evil." (An overstatement? Consider this tale of torture, written by Verant's official EverQuest team.) "The idea sprang from the idea of a woman poisoning her lover with the polish on her fingernails. As I sat down to write, I felt I didn't want her to start out as completely evil, but had some major motivation for that. Something so overwhelming that she would never think twice about her killing of others later. When I was in my teens, I knew a few women who had been raped. In talking with them so many years ago, I knew this was the absolute worst torture I know of." The controversy focused on the age of the character. Mystere said, "Her age I toyed with for quite a while. In medieval times, people were considered adults much younger than they were today. I wanted her to be young, but not overly so. So I came up with 14 `seasons,' giving the impression that this person was just out of adolescence. In the end, the story was supposed to be about an evil person getting what he deserved, and the birth of a dark presence in the world." Lost in the Eyes of God At one point the poster referred to the story as "child pornography" and threatened to take the post to various civil and Christian rights groups." Mystere believes this person complained to EverQuest Customer Service about the story. John Smedley, CEO of Verant, acknowledged that someone had complained, saying, "In this case, a parent complained to a lot of anti-child porn watchdog sites and several mainstream media outlets regarding the extremely graphic detail of the story and the fact that it apparently contained violence directed at a child." On October 4, Mystere was playing EverQuest when his connection was abruptly lost. When he tried to reconnect, he received a message saying that he had been banned for inappropriate behavior. After speaking to two customer service representatives who didn't know what had happened, Mystere then spoke to George Scotto, the head of customer service. "He told me that I had been banned for a very disturbing story I had written. I was further told that Sony `didn't want my kind of people' playing their game. After attempting to defend myself by saying that it was a roleplay story only, and wasn't even posted on their boards, I was informed that the council had made their decision and it was immutable." (No one contacted about this story knew anything about this council or its members.) "I think Verant/Sony has every right to not have inappropriate material associated with their name. Personally, I think they were a bit overboard in banning without warning in this case, however. Especially with the connotations that came along with my character when I called," Mystere said. Andrew Zaffron, legal counsel for Sony Online Entertainment, released a letter that claimed Mystere's fan fiction had violated intellectual property rights. In part, the letter said, "If this story were about Luke Skywalker or Mickey Mouse, you'd certainly expect Lucas or Disney (respectively) to resort to their legal rights to protect their valuable property and good name; this is nothing different." My Evil is Darker Than Yours The overriding issue was not Mystere's banning, but that a player was banned for posting fan fiction on a non-official site when Verant had no fan fiction policies. The community wondered who was next. We sent a list of questions to Verant on Friday, asking whether the company would post guidelines and what sort of `evil' role-play was acceptable. Verant's public relations firm said we would have the answers on Monday. But over the weekend, John Smedley, CEO of Verant, posted a letter on the official EQ board and on several fan sites. Here's an excerpt: "The big question is - where's the line? And what right do we have to draw it outside the game? The answer is complicated and extremely subjective, so I'll just have to be honest and say we'll know it when it's over the line. We're going to discuss it in the upcoming few weeks and see if we can make it more clear, but I can't honestly say if we'll get anywhere because none of us wants to stop people from writing awesome fan-fiction about EQ. "Did we handle this as well as we could have? No - We didn't. And for that, I apologize. In the future, we're going to handle this in a different way." Is EverQuest becoming a kinder, gentler game? Will players no longer see heads skewered on stakes, rotting corpses or skinned goblins? We don't know, because Verant chose to not answer our questions today. Microsoft's Asheron's Call (AC) and Origin's Ultima Online (UO), the other heavy-hitters in the MMORPG arena, should thank Verant as players continue to defect from EQ. The UO player's guide only defines acceptable in-game behavior. AC public relations representative DeEtte Christie said, "Microsoft is a firm believer in freedom of speech. They do not regulate or restrict outside of the game environment." Some EverQuest players accepted Smedley's apology. Others won't. A new domain, Boycott Verant, was registered over the weekend. The owner cited hypocrisy and freedom of speech as the issues driving the site forward. "Verant is basically becoming the `Thought Police' by saying that if you mention any words pertaining to their product that it is copyrighted and they'll ban you from the game for it. Playing the game and posting something on a web site NOT under Verant's control are two entirely different issues." In his apology, Smedley had said, "We aren't going to be looking at every fan site and becoming the Thought Police." But without a solid set of guidelines for fans to follow, though, it's doubtful that these words will speak louder than last week's action. Posted by justin at October 21, 2002 04:34 PM |
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mk11232 3/25/08 7:37:01 AM
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This story brings up two points. First point is the fanatical Christian's who will blatantly lie and spin stories to cleanse the world of anything they don't agree with. This is something that we will have to continue to deal with, but fortunately most people see them as the loons they are. The second one is SOE. As more and more people abandon their games, and as new games come online, they know they're in a bind. They have NOTHING in the pipeline that could attract new players. This means that they will only see steady bloodletting over the future years. They're on a sinking ship and will do anything and everything possible to plug the holes. But because of one Christian loon + one idiot manager = a loss of more than the banned player. They really lost what trust people of EQ still had in them. I love Smed's line "In the future, we're going to handle this in a different way." How many times has he given this dribble, and who believes him anymore? Instead of punishing creative role-playing writers, SOE should hire them to fill in the lore that is sorely lacking in all their mmo's. Tragic. |
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Suvroc 3/25/08 8:07:55 AM
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Before I go ahead and pass judgement on Smed I will have to see if I can do a search for that story when I have some free time. Initially though I'd have to say that this is certainly not the kind of company I want to do business with. Stifling creativity is never a good thing IMO. |
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Dameonk 3/25/08 8:14:51 AM
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Just... wow. Score another one for idiotic religious nuts. Probably the same people that try to get literary classics banned from libraries.
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Tamalan 3/25/08 8:41:32 AM
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Certainty of death. Small chance of success. What are we waiting for? |
I remember all this kicking off when it happened, the content of the story was indeed disturbing, not something i would be comforatble putting into fan-fiction for an online game, and Im not a religious person in any shape or form or overly moralistic. The writer did indeed seem to be 'enjoying' himself, the story involved the sexual abuse of the '14 season' chararcter with some very disturbing scenes i wont describe here. The author went beyond what most would consider 'acceptable' in publicly available mmo fan-fiction, not that im denying his literary right to do so, but I did at the time understand why people got so upset and any company would be right to distance themselves from such material. SOE didnt handle it particularly well, but in my opinion they had no option. Just my 2 cps. Edit: reading above again, i will add a little detail about the story in the most delicate way i can. One of the scenes revolved around the cutting of the 14 year old victims genital area to provide lubrication for a forced sexual act. |
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salvaje 3/25/08 8:54:35 AM
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I can confirm that SOE monitors the behavior of certain people in places other than their games or their own message boards. I am one of those whom they monitor. The last straw for me that gave me the excuse to quit SWG for all time was last summer when "Noobpawn" (Greypawn) was making his disasterous entry into community management, 3 of my accounts got permabanned for mysterious reasons. They claimed it was due to "inappropriate religious or racial harassment" when I contacted customer service. What actually caused it was that I was making fun of the Noob on another forum. At that time I couldn't post on any of SOE's forums because I had already canceled the accounts that could still forum post (SOE will never know all of them I had), so it couldn't have been anything I did IN GAME or on their forums. I was one of the ones being rough on him, but let's face it, NoobPawn deserved it. After talking to a CSR that I know (great guy, one of the few good people at SOE) I found out that Noob himself had slapped the banstick on me, and that the drones I was talking to were covering up for him, so I escalated it. I got nasty with them (after threatening to call my bank and charge back all my sub fees) and they removed the bans and told me they had struck any record of them, and they even offered to credit my accounts for the days I was banned. But enough was enough, other than trials I've never played since nor will I. In hindsight I'm glad this happened because it was enough to end my SWG addiction forever. Word got back to me later that this incident actually was one of the reasons Noob was fired shortly afterward. One thing that makes the fact that I no longer play and won't patronize SOE so liberating is that there is now NOTHING they can hold over me. All they could do is sue me, and trust me, only an attorney that is as inept as Smed and the SWG Dev team would advise SOE to get closer than the Moon to a courtroom with a SWG vet on the opposing side. One reason why I advise ANYONE who gets into a situation like mine or similar to ALWAYS threaten SOE with the almighty chargeback. After speaking with Visa when I was considering doing it, I found out that SOE's record is so bad that you can get a chargeback no questions asked. I only advise doing this when it's legit, IE: SOE tries to ban you and not refund prepaid time. That is theft in my opinion, particularly when SOE is pretty slipshod about producing evidence and pretty much doesn't keep any, they ban based on the word of their GM's and other people, and rarely bother to document anything. After all, anything SOE documents about you could be potentially troubling to SOE if they were sued by a customer. It shouldn't surprise you that SOE is as slipshod there as everywhere else. Note that no other MMO publisher is complaining about chargebacks. SOE gets stuck with theirs because they don't document anything (hell, as we've found out they don't bother documenting even major game systems like JTL...). I once had a merchant account, and I know from experience that all you have to provide to dispute a chargeback is documentation of the transaction and delivery. I suspect that the reason they are going with the "verified" hoop is that they are being forced to or else lose their ability to process credit cards.
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hubertgrove 3/25/08 10:49:11 AM
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Originally posted by Tamalan It may well be that the story was particularly distrubing and offensive - that doesn't necessarily stop it being good writing, as William S. Borroughs, Jean Genet and Kathy Acker can attest. However, even if it was perverted jerk-off material, the facts are these - the fellow did not publish the story within the game or on SOE's own board but on another board which allowed such content. That site was, not connected in any way with the game or SOE, and for that they banned him. Then, when it became apparent that this raised both market and legal issues, John Smedley then lied about why he was banned. If the writer had had enough money for a lawyer, then he would easily won a settlement against SE. I reprinted this story here because it helps build up a picture of the arrogance, arbitrariness and dishonesty that seems to characterise customer service at SOE under Mr. Smedley's leadership. |
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