General Discussion

Originally posted by upallnight

Originally posted by vickypollard

Why believe a book that people wrote ages ago? Just made up stories......

Has there ever been any proof of "GOD"? no......

"Have faith" was just invented as a excuse to get outta any questions.

You think it's more believable that the universe and time just appeared?

That is the question that well want an answer to, and here is my take on it, for now.

Either the universe and time just appeared, or God just appeared and created the universe and time.

By cutting god out of that equation I eliminate one step of "magic".

Besides, we are now within one billionth of a second away from the actual big bang in our research, we are not one step closer to god today then we were the day he was made up, probably the opposite.

As to the bible, or any ancient text of religion created to "guide" us?

They are ultimate tools of power for those who wield them.

Nothing more, nothing less, and they will be used like that until the day humanity rids itself of its greatest ball and chain.

Religion is like communism, a great idea on paper but utterly horrible as soon as you involve real people.

Originally posted by Umbrood

 

As to the bible, or any ancient text of religion created to "guide" us?

They are ultimate tools of power for those who wield them.

Nothing more, nothing less, and they will be used like that until the day humanity rids itself of its greatest ball and chain.

Religion is like communism, a great idea on paper but utterly horrible as soon as you involve real people.

 

I bet you believe in the merits of science, right?

I quote the bible as fact. I believe everything written in the bible is true. I have read many translations as well as i have learned to study from the greek and hebrew original texts. There are a ton of doctrines out there what you really need to do is be like the bereans and search the bible yourself to see if doctrines that are being taught are true. Granted there are some things in the bible that are loosely translated but if your a good steward of the word and an approved studier you'll be able to catch some of these things. I guess God should have thought about what he was doing when he scattered the languages at babal, :) really God is in control, he knows what he's doing but he also gave us a brain to recognize right from wrong it just takes some effort on our part.

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Originally posted by outfctrl

Catholics were responsible for writing the New Testament (under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit), the Catholic Church doesn't "interpret" the Bible. They explain it.

Protestants can only "interpret", because they are not the author (guided by the Holy Spirit), and therefore, can only guess at the possible meaning of a chapter, passage or phrase, just as anyone can only guess at any author's intentions in any other book.

As the author, the Catholic Church is the only proper authority to consult in matters pertaining to the Bible.

Without the Catholic Church you have no Bible, just a bunch of books and letters.

With the Church you have the Bible.

The people who wrote the bible did so over a thousand-five hundred years ago, they were the ones supposedly guided by the holy spirit.  Anyone and everyone who has read it, translated it, et cetera has interpreted it.  The Catholic Church is different from it's original church, they are different people, they hold different views, and therefore they interpret the gospel just as every other denomonation of christianity.

I agree with the poster who said the bible is a guide, people see many condradictions in the bible simply because one book may word it differently than the other. I think in the end ppl are looking for a excuse to not believe in God. That is just my opinion and i'm sure someone will comment about me saying this...lol. :)

I also have a link to a website that may guide you, there is a question and answer section and even a section with bible condratictions, if you want go here and look to the left where the menu is. http://www.carm.org/  <~~ is the site.

The universe is endless; thus, it was never created, therefore, it will - and can -  never be destroyed. (link the theories about Big Bang and Big Crash together)

Love G with all your heart and all your soul.
Treat your neighbors with love and forgiveness, just as you would want them to do to you.

Study the many "religious" texts for ideas you might try to apply to YOURSELF to improve your existence... not to OTHERS; take guidance where others went wrong so you are less likely to make the same mistakes.

G still exists, establish a personal dialogue (eg. prayer, even a few times a day to help focus your thoughts.) You hope to spend eternity with/near G, use this earthly-mortal lifetime to prepare that you might be found worthy to get closer to G. Like His Will be done.

Consider all that you do, does it well represent your dedication to G.

The Christ thing...
1. and the nt (new testament,) know that more than half of the nt is written by people that did NOT hear nor see Christ and his Teachings, those "scriptures" are based on hearsay.
2. the romans, jews and rcc (roman catholic church;) those guys not only murdered Christ but eight of his disciples. And for hundreds, even thousands of years took great sport putting to death others that did not PAY into their versions of dogma. Like most jews today venerate their babylonian talmud instead of their OT (Old Testament/ TaNaKh) so catholics venerate their latin-only nt and the pope insists only his version is the way to their iesu/ge-sus. They also sought to suppress and eliminate any other religious sects that did not support their dogmas. (eg. jews, heretics, protestants, moslems, witches, ect.)
3. If you really want the jew offshoot religion, the jew-Nazarene Christ Teachings, start with the guy's actual name (Yehoshua aramaic) with an english accent that is Joshua (Yeshua.) The proper name Yehoshua means G is salvation. Study and be aware of Christ's teachings from those that actually saw and heard them, real disciples trained by him. But worship G, do not be deceived and replace G and instead venerate Christ nor the nt. You will find from your studies of the OT how much of a NONO it is to replace G and worship something else.
4. What you find as the nt is what the byzantine romans fabricated to document in written form what was their endorsed version of saul's apostic dogma. This was necessary because 300 years after the crufixion most 'chrestians' were getting tired of waiting for Christ's return. So, they abridged allot of text/manuscripts that their version of catholicism would be founded on and abridged that to the jew OT.

But it all really comes down to your personal relationship with G. Those many opinions/scriptures of how that is best accomplished even this very life are chances for you to practice free-choice. Try to make G proud with how you live your life.

Originally posted by outfctrl

Catholics were responsible for writing the New Testament (under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit), the Catholic Church doesn't "interpret" the Bible. They explain it.

Protestants can only "interpret", because they are not the author (guided by the Holy Spirit), and therefore, can only guess at the possible meaning of a chapter, passage or phrase, just as anyone can only guess at any author's intentions in any other book.

As the author, the Catholic Church is the only proper authority to consult in matters pertaining to the Bible.

Without the Catholic Church you have no Bible, just a bunch of books and letters.

With the Church you have the Bible.

This is pure BS lol..the Catholic church the only people with proper authority lol..that's what they have convinced their followers over the years but the truth is they are sending there followers to hell. The holy mother that you worship is a lie and she never looked like how the church is portraying her. There is only one true version of the bible and that is the old testament of which all others are based.

White europeans were never part of that book and have NO connection to the holyseed..its a lie. That man in Rome masquerading as the holy man on earth is a lie and his only connection to god or Yashua is he learnt the teachings from the false scriptures of  7 century and 15 century racist who have kept the truth hidden for 100s of years..

The pope is no more holy than you or me for that matter. There was never anyone called Jesus Christ and the name Jesus was introduced in the 15 century by England. It is a latin word but replaced with a j instead of an i.

Your so called holy leader is sending his followers to hell believing in false idols and unholy scriptures.

Originally posted by MadAce

 

Originally posted by Umbrood

 

As to the bible, or any ancient text of religion created to "guide" us?

They are ultimate tools of power for those who wield them.

Nothing more, nothing less, and they will be used like that until the day humanity rids itself of its greatest ball and chain.

Religion is like communism, a great idea on paper but utterly horrible as soon as you involve real people.

 

 

I bet you believe in the merits of science, right?

If you are asking if I believe everything put forth as science just because it is "science" then no.

I need to have at least a rudimentary understanding of a theory to believe or disbelieve it.