Star Wars Galaxies

Originally posted by afropuff420

Originally posted by CujoSWAoA

Haha, christ.

I am an SWG Veteran who doesn't play the game any longer.

I think the game is a steaming heap of, ya know...

It was more fun before the game was changed, yes, but it was still a lemon even then. They just made it worse.

What SWG Veterans should unite behind, instead of hating the infamous changes, is getting LucasArts to make a new Star Wars MMO.

Let the old one go.

Make a push for a new one.

I completely agree with this statement. Fellas & ladies - There comes a time when we gotta let go of the past, and try to focus on the future. While i'm no longer a fan of LA or SOE, SW is still LA's IP, and we should do our best to get something back from them, as they took what we loved away. It is their responsibility to give us something better, new, and include the features of what could have been a very very successful game. Push them to do this! Write letters & send emails. Let them know of our fury, and let them know.. if they do not comply to our wishes, we will write even MORE letters and MORE emails! Yarrrr!

Moving on to me means finding another game.  I have.  I no longer cling to hopes of rollbacks or classic, and It doesn't even bother me that the current Dev team is too incompetent to even make the existing game semi-playable.

Moving on and "letting go" doesn't mean forgetting what was done, and letting them off the hook.

I don't intend to ever let LEC or SOE have that opportunity.  Their noses will continue to be rubbed in the pile of sh-t they dropped on us until they clean it up.

Which means shutting it down.

Originally posted by Darean002

I didn't know this before, but after talking to some people who went to the latest fan fest, I was told that it was actually Lucas Arts that pushed through the CU and NGE.

SOE employees can't talk about it because of confidentiality agreements and clauses

So SOE employees can't talk about it but you were told all about it? rofl

Originally posted by smg77

Originally posted by Darean002

I didn't know this before, but after talking to some people who went to the latest fan fest, I was told that it was actually Lucas Arts that pushed through the CU and NGE.

SOE employees can't talk about it because of confidentiality agreements and clauses

So SOE employees can't talk about it but you were told all about it? rofl

Isn't it funny how the fanbois dismiss those of us who share tidbits from unnamed sources as "making stuff up" yet when they post something like this it's Gospel?

Not news to me.  I've always blamed LA and really only ever enjoyed a couple SW games.  Could care less about what happens to SWG.  But if someone asks my opinion about the game I'll tell them it sucks.  Just my opinion. 

 And all the fanbois start saying...." im spartacus"

Originally posted by salvaje

 

Originally posted by Darean002

 

Originally posted by salvaje

 

Originally posted by spikenog

Originally posted by Sonno

I don't care who is responsible for it, I'm boycotting both of them. They both suck. Niether could give a rats ass about their products or their customers; only the $$$. Screw em both is all I gotta say about it.

Hate to break it to you...all companies only care about the money.

 

And we, as customers have a right to deny them that money.  We have.

And we've done it noisily and helped cost them more money.

The NGE cost SOE/LEC tens of millions of dollars.

 

You must be very well connected salvaje. Care to share with the rest of us where you came up with those numbers?

 

As to those of you calling me a "paid soe shill fanboi" I'm sorry, I thought this was a veterans refuge. I'm a veteran. I have a right to post here too. I'm not the only veteran who likes to post on this website. Why do you think only angry "flameboys" get to post on here?

I make it clear that I have no great love for soe/LEC. My point is that I found it interesting and thought I'd share it with the veteran community. If you already knew about this, awesome. Excuse me for trying to inform my peers with something I found interesting.

Just as many of you no longer give your money to soe/LEC, congratulations. You speak with your actions. You know who else speaks with their actions? soe and LEC. They're choosing to keep the game running because its still profittable to them. If it was truly costing tens of millions of dollars, they'd drop it faster than you can say "Ha-ha!" - Jimbo from Simpsons style.

So obviously, until the day the plug is pulled, there must still be enough people happy to pay for the game.

What I don't get is why the flameboys keep saying "Its dying! Its all over! The sky is falling!" when its been chugging along for the two years since the CU.

Apparently it really affects you to see someone enjoying the game. Otherwise, why would you spend so much time on here reacting so strongly? Well, thanks for giving us that kind of control, letting us push your buttons and making you dance, but frankly I don't want that kind of power. Unplug for a bit. Take a walk. Find something more fun than flaming on forums all day.

 

SWG at the time of the NGE publish had 250K subscribers, based on both SOE press releases and mmogcharts.

SWG today has, using the most optimistic, even acknowledged by fanbois here, 50K subs (actually it's far less, and yes, I DO have info on that).

250K*15 = 3.75M gross revenue per month.

50K*15 =  .75M gross revenue per month

Keep in mind this is using the MOST optimistic scenario for current subs possible.

Last 12 months of revenue had the game stayed at 250K subs:  45M

Revenue last 12 months at 50K subs: 9M

Revenue lost in the last 12 months: 36M

Keep in mind the NGE has been around for 2 years and that it's definitely not averaged 50K subs for the past 12 months, so the loss figure is even higher.  Ergo, the NGE has unquestionably cost SOE and LEC tens of millions of dollars, even just this past year.

SOE and LEC, in fact lose: $98,630 per DAY over the revenue they had per day just prior to the NGE, BECAUSE of the NGE!  Almost 100K a day.  Let THAT one sink in for a moment, and you realize why the current Dev team is made up of interns, misfits, and halfwits.

Moral of the story:  Don't tell your customers to go F-themselves when they ask for their game back.

 

 

 

If your info is so reliable, please update the folks at MMOGData.com (mmogcharts.com has gone under)as, you can see, they're confidence level on the info they have on the game is rated C so even they acknowledge their sources are iffy. So please salvaje, enlighten us with your "source". I have the same "source" on that figure, its called the internet. I think one or two other people in the world might have it too.

Originally posted by smg77

Originally posted by Darean002

I didn't know this before, but after talking to some people who went to the latest fan fest, I was told that it was actually Lucas Arts that pushed through the CU and NGE.

SOE employees can't talk about it because of confidentiality agreements and clauses

So SOE employees can't talk about it but you were told all about it? rofl

As one poster put it, soe took full credit for the changes. Thats news to me too. I assumed that was the case from the beginning.

Originally posted by Obee

Yay!  Another fanboi shill posts the old "It wasn't SOE, even though they admitted it was their idea and convinced LEC to agree to it, it was all LEC!" lie for the thousandth time!  Another thousand or so times and you might even start to believe it yourself!

 

I agree. These carniverous sheepm keep telling us to forget the old game because the new simplistic, buggy and limited gsame is 'better'. What fools they think we are. It ain't going to happen. Until SOE returns to us our pre-CU game, we will continue to lobby against the company, its personnel and its products on whatever forums we find ourselves.

Originally posted by Obee

 

Originally posted by Antarious

 

Originally posted by Obee

Yay!  Another fanboi shill posts the old "It wasn't SOE, even though they admitted it was their idea and convinced LEC to agree to it, it was all LEC!" lie for the thousandth time!  Another thousand or so times and you might even start to believe it yourself!

 

 

I don't agree with that.. and I'll say find me a quote that claims they were 100% behind it all.

What you will find is that that they developed/implemented it.

It has never been revealed who mandated the changes.

The better response imho would be the simple...

1) who cares

2) it doesn't matter now/anymore

 

 

Brenlo, on the old Lithium OBoards, responded to a post asking the direct question (paraphrased) 'Did LEC mandate SOE make the NGE changes?' by saying that LEC did not force SOE to make or implement the NGE, but that the folks at SOE conceived and implemented the changes.  Jeff Freeman posted on this forum that the NGE changed were not forced on SOE by LEC.  John Smedley has said that LEC did not force the NGE on SOE.

It was the folks at SOE who decided to revamp the game.  It was the folks at LEC that allowed them to do so.

 

That's the problem with forums... its like rewriting history.

Brenlo did make such a post.  It was then stated that he was "incorrect" and he withdrew his comment after that.  Wow... amazing how it has such a different context when you apply the history that happened after that part.

Smedley has also never made any such statement.

What he has said.. is how great it is working with DC... since some IP holders have NO clue.  (amazingly the only other 3rd party IP they had worked with was SWG... since they bought MxO to get DC...)

It would also be quite clear that LEC couldn't force the NGE.. which is quite different than asking for the game to go into another direciton aka a mandate.  SOE could have always not agreed to do so and would have lost the license *gasp* what a concept.

Then there is that little comment from the LEC guy.. you know Haden... Blackman.. about how they started to try to cross platform (they being LEC) in 2005... and then there was that console book for SWG that kept showing up on Amazon.com after the NGE...

I mean I can re-invent things that happened or leave out other facts to push my points I suppose.

The Brenlo thing was classic..  and it does take on a whole different appearance.. when you leave out what happened after.

Originally posted by Darean002

 

Originally posted by smg77

So SOE employees can't talk about it but you were told all about it? rofl

Um... yeah... its called breaking those agreements smart guy. Thats what they were infact doing, in a way that is not too overt or explicit. Not like they're going to get on the forums and start blabbing it everywhere.

 

As one poster put it, soe took full credit for the changes. Thats news to me too. I assumed that was t