Originally posted by Sonno

I don't care who is responsible for it, I'm boycotting both of them. They both suck. Niether could give a rats ass about their products or their customers; only the $$$. Screw em both is all I gotta say about it.

Originally posted by spikenog

Originally posted by Sonno

I don't care who is responsible for it, I'm boycotting both of them. They both suck. Niether could give a rats ass about their products or their customers; only the $$$. Screw em both is all I gotta say about it.

Hate to break it to you...all companies only care about the money.

And we, as customers have a right to deny them that money.  We have.

And we've done it noisily and helped cost them more money.

The NGE cost SOE/LEC tens of millions of dollars.

Originally posted by spikenog

Originally posted by Sonno

I don't care who is responsible for it, I'm boycotting both of them. They both suck. Niether could give a rats ass about their products or their customers; only the $$$. Screw em both is all I gotta say about it.

Hate to break it to you...all companies only care about the money.

Those two words used together in this statement make it incorrect.

But what have you won?  Absolutely nothing, unfortunately.  Your game is gone, never to return, and while teaching Lucasarts and Soe a lesson may be an admirable short-term goal, it has done nothing productive except inch your long-gone home closer to oblivion.

Originally posted by mdolsen

But what have you won?  Absolutely nothing, unfortunately.  Your game is gone, never to return, and while teaching Lucasarts and Soe a lesson may be an admirable short-term goal, it has done nothing productive except inch your long-gone home closer to oblivion.

So what do you suggest? Go back to paying them money again?

Originally posted by spikenog

Originally posted by Sonno

I don't care who is responsible for it, I'm boycotting both of them. They both suck. Niether could give a rats ass about their products or their customers; only the $$$. Screw em both is all I gotta say about it.

Hate to break it to you...all companies only care about the money.

Funny mine doesn't. My small indie dev company is about developing a community of players and a family of developers. I know, I know, ideas completely unheard of in today's day and age.

    Well, that is interesting.   I appreciate the clarification on the 'why's' of what happened to SWG.  I've always mantained that it was my 1st and my favorite MMO until the changes and that I don't see myself as an SOE hater.  However, I do see myself as a cautious and wary SOE consumer.

 Once on these forums(or anywhere else for that matter),  I made a single smiley-icon based post that cheered on the possibility for SOE closing/passing on the IP.  I'm looking for a new SW:O to take it's place because I believe that SWG, no matter what's done to it at this point, is simply a very tired, old dog that needs to be put out of it's missery. 

 This is the only way that the titles 'lovers vs. haters' issue is ever likely to begin to wind-down and eventually die-out.  It may actually even instill consumer confidence back in SOE.(../shrug)   I agree that we're way beyond annoying on both sides of this over discussed, discussion.   So, let it go and fade away...

 Let them focus on the other titles they host while finding something to replace the SWG slot in the lineup.

  The second and final post that I've ever made that concerns SOE directly, is probably the best/worst example of me being completely shocked at a 'possible' port to PS3 of some of SOE's older and troubled titles.

  Although, it's regretable that I was as forthright in the post, as I was.  I only regret the foolishness of it, not the meaning behind it's content.  I stand by it and I don't want the 'console only' players to be served up an inferior product by today's standards, as seen by many(most) players.

 Again, 'Easy Button Logic' - the 'Quick Buck Philosophy' will never disassociate itself from any part of the entertainment industry.  This coupled with poor consumer relations(as the OP stated), many mysterious account charges on return trials or cancelled subs.  Gives me ample reason to be cautious and wary of SOE in the future.

 As for LA, I don't doubt their motivations(cash) in creating any of their products.   It is a shame that they have gone the way, of what seems to be, console only games.    Seeing as my Xbox was used twelve times and makes a fine doorstop. (Yours for 25$)

I hope that the, reportedly, new Bioware/ Lucas Arts MMO is atleast multi-platform.   I won't be overly surprised if isn't PC friendly.  To that end, and to all developers that follow this trend;  I hope your products are, both, a hit and great fun but I and many others won't participate in boosting your future revenue, as we made our choice in PC preference 'long ago...'

Originally posted by mdolsen

But what have you won?  Absolutely nothing, unfortunately.  Your game is gone, never to return, and while teaching Lucasarts and Soe a lesson may be an admirable short-term goal, it has done nothing productive except inch your long-gone home closer to oblivion.

If we teach SOE and LEC a financial lesson, that there is an expensive price to be paid for crossing the fanbase, they will be less likely to do such things in the future, at least when Smed is gone from SOE, and LEC gets past the Jim Ward era.

Furthermore, we have and are helping out players who never played SWG by putting the fear of God (as in $$$=God) into other MMO publishers to not do similar things.

So, yes, we have achieved quite a lot.

To my knowledge also, this is the FIRST time Star Wars fans have ever stood up to Lucas with respect to a crap product as well.

Originally posted by salvaje

 

Originally posted by mdolsen

But what have you won?  Absolutely nothing, unfortunately.  Your game is gone, never to return, and while teaching Lucasarts and Soe a lesson may be an admirable short-term goal, it has done nothing productive except inch your long-gone home closer to oblivion.

 

If we teach SOE and LEC a financial lesson, that there is an expensive price to be paid for crossing the fanbase, they will be less likely to do such things in the future, at least when Smed is gone from SOE, and LEC gets past the Jim Ward era.

Furthermore, we have and are helping out players who never played SWG by putting the fear of God (as in $$$=God) into other MMO publishers to not do similar things.

So, yes, we have achieved quite a lot.

To my knowledge also, this is the FIRST time Star Wars fans have ever stood up to Lucas with respect to a crap product as well.

 

I think we stood up prior to the NGE when "Greedo shot first"

Originally posted by miagisan

Originally posted by salvaje

 

Originally posted by mdolsen

But what have you won?  Absolutely nothing, unfortunately.  Your game is gone, never to return, and while teaching Lucasarts and Soe a lesson may be an admirable short-term goal, it has done nothing productive except inch your long-gone home closer to oblivion.

 

If we teach SOE and LEC a financial lesson, that there is an expensive price to be paid for crossing the fanbase, they will be less likely to do such things in the future, at least when Smed is gone from SOE, and LEC gets past the Jim Ward era.

Furthermore, we have and are helping out players who never played SWG by putting the fear of God (as in $$$=God) into other MMO publishers to not do similar things.

So, yes, we have achieved quite a lot.

To my knowledge also, this is the FIRST time Star Wars fans have ever stood up to Lucas with respect to a crap product as well.

 

I think we stood up prior to the NGE when "Greedo shot first"

People still bought that edition.  Then the next one when Lucas didn't change it back to the original, but to them shooting at the same time.  Lucas didn't suffer for that controversy, and in fact, made more money from it.

The NGE is the first example of a huge Lucas mistake COSTING them money net.

ok i'll give ya that :) though i didnt buy the greedo shot first pack

Originally posted by miagisan

Originally posted by salvaje

 

Originally posted by mdolsen

But what have you won?  Absolutely nothing, unfortunately.  Your game is gone, never to return, and while teaching Lucasarts and Soe a lesson may be an admirable short-term goal, it has done nothing productive except inch your long-gone home closer to oblivion.

 

If we teach SOE and LEC a financial lesson, that there is an expensive price to be paid for crossing the fanbase, they will be less likely to do such things in the future, at least when Smed is gone from SOE, and LEC gets past the Jim Ward era.

Furthermore, we have and are helping out players who never played SWG by putting the fear of God (as in $$$=God) into other MMO publishers to not do similar things.

So, yes, we have achieved quite a lot.

To my knowledge also, this is the FIRST time Star Wars fans have ever stood up to Lucas with respect to a crap product as well.

 

I think we stood up prior to the NGE when "Greedo shot first"

Lets not forget his "Holiday Special", Episodes 1-3, every two year new "improved special edition" of the trilogy and the fact he has put out totally shit games with the possible exceptions of the Jedi Knight series and KOTOR 1. Oh then there is the whole "Slap a Star Wars label on damn near everything and sell it" routine that he has done since day1.

No, no SWG was the first  time they have revolted.

Originally posted by miagisan

ok i'll give ya that :) though i didnt buy the greedo shot first pack

The sad thing is the greedy bastard will make more money again if they re-issue it again with Han actually shooting first as it originally was.

Not from me though.  I've not bought anything Star Wars in over a year.  I quit even subscribing to the fan club magazine, which I'd had a subscription to for years.

Originally posted by mdolsen

But what have you won?  Absolutely nothing, unfortunately.  Your game is gone, never to return, and while teaching Lucasarts and Soe a lesson may be an admirable short-term goal, it has done nothing productive except inch your long-gone home closer to oblivion.

Absolutely correct, and it is the right thing to do.  Rolling over and accepting NGE is wrong.  Supporting it is even worse.

SOE has a long history or redesigning all their games post launch with broad sweeping changes that upset their playerbase.  Unless you want to blame Lucas Arts for what SOE did to all their other games, you are mistaken. There is also the devs from SOE that admitted they came up with the concepts and how hard they had to work to sell it to their superiors.

Tell your "friend" who went to the fanfair and "heard from a dev who couldn't break contracts by talking but did so to your special friend through some cryptic silent form of communication" that he is full of shit.  Yes SOE would love to publically put the blame on someone else, but that just isn't the case.

It gets old hearing the SOE appologists tripping over each other to make excuses for SOE no matter what is brought to light.  There is always someone else to blame except for SOE no matter what scandal or epic screwup is being discussed.

One thing to keep in mind.  It doesn't matter who you want to blame if you continue to stick your head in the sand and keep paying them money.  You are infact empowering them to continue with such behaviors.

Originally posted by salvaje

 

Originally posted by CujoSWAoA

Indiana....... Indiana.........

Let it go.........

 

This is the "veterans's refuge"  What you and the OP need to "let go of" is any notion that:

1. We are coming back to the NGE in _ANY_ form, no matter _WHAT_ they add to it.  The NGE is why we left, the NGE is why we stay away, and as long as the NGE is still there, we won't be.

2. That we even particularly want to come back at this point AT ALL.  Even I am past even wanting to go back even if they reinstated Pre-CU.  The only reason why I still even care at this point is that I don't want SOE and LEC (remember I've always blamed LEC too) to get away with what they did.  Both companies did an unforgivable thing, and neither deserve to profit by it.

3. That we are ever going to accept _ANY_ excuse for the NGE that comes from SOE or LEC.

4. We want anything at this point except to see the NGE shut down. 

If you love the current game, great.  Go post on the SOE oforums and ask for the foozle instance or scavanger hunt of your dreams to be added to the game.

But don't come here and post stuff like this and expect us to agree with you.

If anyone even wanted to PLAY the "wonderful" NGE, you guys wouldn't be here trolling vets would you?  Where is that wonderful "target audience" that didn't want to read, and wanted to play as "Luke Skywalker48345987" instead of a character they made for themselves?

Seems to me that you need to go find them instead of troll us.

 

 

Ahhh the hypocrisy of it all ..........  this coming from someone who Trolls the General forums constantly

Last I remember Nancy "Picture Book" McIntyre, and Julio "gay ol' time" Torres worked for LA.

Originally posted by Dracis

Originally posted by spikenog

Originally posted by Sonno

I don't care who is responsible for it, I'm boycotting both of them. They both suck. Niether could give a rats ass about their products or their customers; only the $$$. Screw em both is all I gotta say about it.

Hate to break it to you...all companies only care about the money.

Funny mine doesn't. My small indie dev company is about developing a community of players and a family of developers. I know, I know, ideas completely unheard of in today's day and age.

It doesn't mean that profit is the only thing they care about does it?

Originally posted by Dracis

Originally posted by spikenog

Originally posted by Sonno

I don't care who is responsible for it, I'm boycotting both of them. They both suck. Niether could give a rats ass about their products or their customers; only the $$$. Screw em both is all I gotta say about it.

Hate to break it to you...all companies only care about the money.

Funny mine doesn't. My small indie dev company is about developing a community of players and a family of developers. I know, I know, ideas completely unheard of in today's day and age.

Isn't that what indes say?  At least until the money starts coming in.