Against my better judgment, my girl friend and I went to go buy HG:L better yesterday and believe it or not, we both thought it was better than WoW. The quests are short and sweet. You can kill 5 mobs at once instead of having 2 mobs kick your ass as a lowbie in WoW. There's other things I'd like to point out but people might start flaming due to the natural immaturity of this board.

My question is, why exactly is there so much hatred towards the game? On DX9, my system pulls off 70-100 FPS at max settings (1680x1050). At DX10, it plays like Crysis which I expected to (no video card is ready for DX10 because my idea of "playable" is 60FPS +) So with the technical bugs not hindering me, what's so bad about this game?

I agree with one thing though, 9.99 USD for absolutely nothing right now pissed me off. I thought we would get new overpowered classes. Infact, players who payed SHOULD get overpowered classes to encourage others to pay. But all we got was....well, nothing. -___-

I really love hellgate london, I have the game however there are a few issues that makes me really hate the game...

The game all around is great , however there are thing's that really make it suck.

The thing's that make hell gate london not worth playing is the fact that new players, elite players, and Nightmare players are seperate on the game, this is what makes the game really bad and suck, other wise there is no problem. Yes I do realize that the game modes are all dfiferent in a lot of way's, and elite is harder, however there needs to be a new system put in, for example, the leader of the group is on elite mode, then all the rest of the people get put on elite mode when they go outside to fight in the leaders group, these are thing's that would make the game a whole lot better...

I used to love playing HGL, but because of this reason I do not really play it anymore, and also because of the optional monthly fee, this game is great, but the system they have for parties/elite mode, and ect. makes the game suck, and not worth playing, because people cannot interact with each other between modes...

The only thing i do not like about HGL is the thing that people cannot interact with each other, such as trade,group, ect...

In my honest opinion the game as far as game play deserves a high rateing, but the thing about not being able to interact is what makes the game suck, there should be seperate servers for each one, or everyone should be able to interact with each other, and a complete new system put into the game, such as party leader decides mode, as well as the individual player on the mode, ect...

This could be done, but half the companies are too lazy to do so...

Anyways this is why I hate HGL...

The multiplayer is lame and the company that made the game is more intrested in exploiting the market financially than it is providing gamers with value for money.

The first is a disappointment, the second invites dislike.

Otherwise, it's a great little game.   

OP, the day after you bought it, you claim it's better than WoW? Are you serious?

WoW is a MMORPG, this game isn't, so comparing them up against each other, that's just silly. It also indicates that you have very little experience with online gaming.

You make it sound like the hate against this game is almost completely based on performance. Trust me, that is NOT the case. My personal hate is mainly from the complete lack of variations, but there are several other issues too.

While I do play HG:L and actually have fun doing it, I have to agree with #2 - I'd suppose that's what seperates it from the true aspect of a "mmo", even though FSS likes to call it that.

I'm a newer player to HG:L but I have a friend who played it at launch. He said, like most other launch-players, that the game was too unfinished and unpolished; bugs, lack of content etc., which still is somewhat of an issue in its current state. I think that many players "hate" it for that. I know I would, or rather, dislike it.

That said I think this title will be very good and have loads of stuff to offer, it just need some time to mature. Give it about 6 months and I think we'll have the game we actually payed for. At least I hope so, since I'm very fond of the "shooter meets rpg" genre.

well there are a few reasons why on these boards it does not get much love here...

1. Some don't even consider this to be a mmo so some will constanly bash it as not being one. This game doen't fit the mold for any type of category. It's a mmorpgfps/whatever else you want to add to it. It has elements of every type of game out there on the market today which is a good thing. 

2. Subscription model - Can't blame people for argueing about this because at launch we did not receive some of the extra perks yet. Extra content and perks to this game will be distributed over time so when you sub you will eventually receive them. Though I must say that FSS has never faulted on providing the extra content you pay for. Patch 1.0 Stonehenge was proof of that and patch 2.0 is going to be pretty great as well. Though noone is going to grill you if you choose not to do the subscription model.

3. Bugs - Yeah Hellgate had a rocky start in October/November so it turned off alot of people but hey since FSS has released patches with bug fixes this game simply rocks and is better than most games listed on this game site. Problems I saw with people complaining about this game was the fact that they didn't even meet the system requirement for this game but yet posted on the boards about how bad of a time they had trying to play.  I know this for a fact cause I have played with alot of people who didn't meet the requirements for this game and had so many issues with it. Most people tried to max out the graphics in which their video card could not even handle. You most definitely need 2gigs of ram to play this game 1 gig is simply not enough. 

4. Some just don't like FSS. Why ? I have no idea. Maybe because they associate with EA which perhaps I can't blame them ? EA is really just the publisher but in essence they have the final say when a game gets released. 

5. Don't listen to reviews, 3/4ths of the reviews written on Hellgate were from people who never even played the game. All they did was read what others wrote, slapped something together and called it a review. Also don't even go by the demo of this game, the demo was pretty bad I have to admit. Some couldn't get it to work. Perhaps FSS will release a better version of a demo so people can try it out.

6. Comparison - Too many compared this game to established games such as WOW and Guild Wars. This game is barely 4 months old ? Any comparison to these types of games really holds no water. When Hellgate is atleast 2 years old then I can see it being legitimate.

FSS has done a terrific job in fixing alot of things people had problems with. Today there are just some minor problems floating around but hat game doesn't ? I still play Guild Wars from time to tiem and Arenanet just unleashed a boat load of bug fixes to the game yesterday. Same as Wow or anyother mmo, noone ever had a near perfect launch except Lotro which still had a few issues. Hellgate is simply just going to get better and bigger as time passes on.

Originally posted by Flame

While I do play HG:L and actually have fun doing it, I have to agree with #2 - I'd suppose that's what seperates it from the true aspect of a "mmo", even though FSS likes to call it that.

I'm a newer player to HG:L but I have a friend who played it at launch. He said, like most other launch-players, that the game was too unfinished and unpolished; bugs, lack of content etc., which still is somewhat of an issue in its current state. I think that many players "hate" it for that. I know I would, or rather, dislike it.

That said I think this title will be very good and have loads of stuff to offer, it just need some time to mature. Give it about 6 months and I think we'll have the game we actually payed for. At least I hope so, since I'm very fond of the "shooter meets rpg" genre.

 

 

Maybe its more his play style than WoW is, so i he likes it more than WoW?

I dont understand all the hate either.

Its a fun, f2p mmo. I put my hands up, I heeded the warnings and didn't subscribe so I might have a different experience to someone that subbed instantly. There's a lot of content and people mind their own beeswax which is fine by me. If you're feeling the need to party then you won't be satisfied because you don't need to so people will ignore you. It's a great solution to the over-partying of existing mmos and the game is comparable to guild wars but without the 'party gap filling' npcs. The graphics are the best on the market yet work fine on my 2 year old rig. $10/month is the cheapest p2p on the market too.

It's not a 'thinking' game tho. The cookie-cutter builds are already established on the forums and you can do the whole lvl with the button held down and some good pot spamming. I think the main gripe for people relates to a lack of need to play, there's no real incentive to lvl up so people won't be compelled beyond all reason to play but its still damn fun. There's no I-win lvl 50 skills that you find in traditional mmos and there are some quest completion bugs but they aren't as fraustrating as you'd imagine because it's not hard to notice that the real xp is in the killing you do to complete the quests.

I may just be fan-boying as I'm playing the game atm but for $40 and no monthly fee it's hard to find enough fault to stop playing. If you're unsure wait for the price to plumit to the bargain bin in the next big round of price-cuts at your game store.

Originally posted by Netspook

OP, the day after you bought it, you claim it's better than WoW? Are you serious?

WoW is a MMORPG, this game isn't, so comparing them up against each other, that's just silly. It also indicates that you have very little experience with online gaming.

You make it sound like the hate against this game is almost completely based on performance. Trust me, that is NOT the case. My personal hate is mainly from the complete lack of variations, but there are several other issues too.

I've probably spent more time gaming and played more online games than you have: I'm a game hopper. Why? Because the flaws in every game turn me off.

WoW's biggest mistake was forcing people to gather together on a Friday night, (40 people exactly, 25 now) instead of going out, getting smashed, and not gaining a few extra pounds sitting there listening to one person scream commands because the tank can't hold hate and the whole party just wiped.

Comparing this to WoW because they're two different genres isn't possible? Why the hell not? Are you so simple minded that you believe only things within the same genre can be compared? Even classical music can be compared to rock, hell, some rock has a bit of classical in it.

The lack of variation you pointed out is true, but it exists in Lineage 2 as well. It existed in the original Diablo and Diablo II. What made those two popular was because they were something new back then.

Anyways, before I get carried away pointing out your lack of...k I'll stfu =)

Next point: I see why people may dislike this game now, it's starting to get sour for me rather fast. It reminds me of Diablo 2 with endless cow level grinds. The PvP in this game is garbage and the balance is horrid. I admit it's a bit more balanced than Diablo II, but MM run around owning everything and BM get their ass handed to them all the time. I suppose I'll give it a bit longer before I shelve it, but the I'm starting to see why people hate it. Flagship expected people to like the same type of game that we played almost 8 years ago...too bad we don't. And of course, they're no Blizzard =P

Lineage 2 and diablo 2 had mass amounts of variation, every area you went to had a new and unique feel to it.  Imagine diablo 2 if there was nothing but different colour subways, it would suck so hard.

Also the skills in HGL are horrible, talk about abandoning diablo 2; its like they only made 1/3 a class with 1 skill tree and then filled it with passives so they could do less work.

It screams low quality all over, and then you have a looming open hand trying to pick your pocket with this greedy company called flagship.

Originally posted by Lienhart

Originally posted by Netspook

OP, the day after you bought it, you claim it's better than WoW? Are you serious?

WoW is a MMORPG, this game isn't, so comparing them up against each other, that's just silly. It also indicates that you have very little experience with online gaming.

You make it sound like the hate against this game is almost completely based on performance. Trust me, that is NOT the case. My personal hate is mainly from the complete lack of variations, but there are several other issues too.

I've probably spent more time gaming and played more online games than you have

There's no way in hell you can possibly know that. And I seriously doubt it.

It has EA's stench on it thats enough reason for some I bet 

Originally posted by Netspook

 

Originally posted by Lienhart

Originally posted by Netspook

OP, the day after you bought it, you claim it's better than WoW? Are you serious?

WoW is a MMORPG, this game isn't, so comparing them up against each other, that's just silly. It also indicates that you have very little experience with online gaming.

You make it sound like the hate against this game is almost completely based on performance. Trust me, that is NOT the case. My personal hate is mainly from the complete lack of variations, but there are several other issues too.

I've probably spent more time gaming and played more online games than you have

 

 

There's no way in hell you can possibly know that. And I seriously doubt it.

{ Mod Edit } Meh, guess I win. Oh, and if you reread the post you just made, it's quite ironic. Makes me smile a bit actually. I'll leave you to figure out why that post is ironic.

Anyways, got bored of this game already. End-game in this is worse than CoX. Everything looks the same. Man, I think Phantasy Star Online had more than this game does (they're quite similar though...)

Same tbh. I got a couple days in and thought 'wheres the respec button?', 'No respec button!!!.... yeaaaahhh.... close window'.

The non-subsciption game is pretty decent as a hack and slash mind numbing experience. The books by Mel Odom make better use of the idea.

"Why all the hate towards HG:L?"

Cause it sucks.

why dont you call this game what it really is, Diablo 2k

Originally posted by Nightdragon8

why dont you call this game what it really is, Diablo 2k

Because having Hellgate: London and Diablo compared positively to each other is insulting to Diablo.

Get rid of all the maps in diablo 2 except the sewer, strip the skill trees and add in 1 barb combat mastery skill tree and 1 active skill, and then make all the quests about killing 20 wolves; voila you have hellgate.

ok keep me updated when it changes.

you win.  i'm not going to buy it.  I was this close to buying it yesterday.