Originally posted by TheRag

 

Originally posted by mike470

 

Originally posted by Brooster-JG

Once upon a time there was a forum troll. The troll craved attention and begged the world to agree with all of his marvelous ideas and phenomenal insight. So the troll went to visit the JGE forums and enlighten the obviously low IQ, uneducated and horribly uncreative community on how to make every aspect of their world better.

See, the troll know better. It knows better than the players who have played the game for 8 years. Knows better than the pilots who flew beta. Knows better than the players that worked with the devs to fix problems and create new content. Knows better than the company who is actually developing the game and obviously understands business plans, project management and the ability to meet deadlines more than any other person who ever lived.

So the troll posts its ideas. But instead of being welcomed with open arms and an international holiday being declared from the sheer brilliance and wisdom of the ideas, the troll is met with opposing opinions. How can this be? Do the players over at JGE simply not understand that they are foolishly disregarding the most important ideas ever to be thought of? What the troll (in its world where it and only it is the center of the universe) doesn’t understand is that the ideas have been discussed before. They have been talked about over and over and over again. Talked about on the original JG forums, on the JGE forums and on numerous fan sites for JG.

But the troll is never wrong and it craves attention. It needs to be acknowledged as brilliant and all knowing. So the troll posts again and gets the same feedback. Desperate, the troll moves into stage 2 – playing the victim.

The troll goes to MMORPG.com and talks about the brutal community that is JG. How mean they are, how unfair they are and just how plain hurtful they are. A few people glom on to this and this helps feed its ego. But then, some players from the JG community respond here and that upsets the troll. How dare they have a thought! How dare they point out that JG is the best online community that they have ever known. So the troll discounts their comments based purely on the number of posts that they have made. How could anyone with so few posts be able to bring anything factual and insightful to the table. (Never mind the fact that the troll has an infantile number of posts on JGE compared to those who opposed his views – Pot, meet kettle).

Moral of the story? There are three.
1) Don’t disregard a game simply because of the inane ramblings of a forum troll.
2) RATHA loves numbered posts
3) Most importantly – don’t feed the troll.

 

So let me get this straight...

The econemy of America is not going so well...And it is a major issue. But it should not be repeated, since it has already been talked about? NO!  If something is an important issue, then it will be repeated and repeated until something is done about it.  Clearly, nothing is happening to make this community better.

By the way, the community DOES suck.  You say that the trolll knows better than thew players who played in beta.  Well hell, mabye it does! More than half of the people who are long time players of JG are saying they want it released in 2008, no matter how many bugs there are.  You are saying that these people know just as much as the troll, who says that they should take their time?

This game's community will bring it down...
By the way, YOU are the troll here, for you clearly have no idea about how bad it really is.

 

Paragraph 1: Don't really see the connection, how do you compare a countries national economy with a game? 

Paragraph 2: At least get your facts straight. The 2 question poll he made was for features, not bugs. Even he didn't put that in. But I guess little things like the truth are less dramatic for your rant.

Paragraph 3: Hmm, too ignorant for me to even discuss.

Paragraph 1:  I am connecting them because they are alike (in an odd way).  They are both very important, and for both, there is a problem that must be fixed.  So you said that they keep getting repeated, well they should be repeated.  This is because they are important isssues which must be taken care of, and they will keep being repeated until something happens about it.

Paragraph 2:  The conversation was wether or not it shoudl be released in 2008, or later on next year, etc.  If you call a good community someone asking about pie, then you are right.

Paragraph 3:  Too ignorant for me to even discuss.

This is so sad, it's funny.

The Jumpgate community is passionate, intelligent and funny .  Sometimes it can be tough, too, as it has little tolerance for complete fools.

In any case, it's best for people to decide for themselves instead of following self-proclaimed experts.

Some people coming from WoW forums or these forums going to one where people don't tolerate whining, constantly asking for the game to be made easier or balanced, leet speak, complaining about game features in general that need to be changed to make it more "WoW like" maybe be unpleasantly surprised.

You have to realize these people care more about the game they are playing, they may feel passionate about it.

Originally posted by Ambrosius

This is so sad, it's funny.

The Jumpgate community is passionate, intelligent and funny .  Sometimes it can be tough, too, as it has little tolerance for complete fools.

In any case, it's best for people to decide for themselves instead of following self-proclaimed experts.

Well said Ambro.

Can we call this thread a 'dead horse' now?

The way so many people came here from the JGE forum to jump up and down on the OP really just gives credence to what he wrote about them.

LOBO I TOLD YOU THIS WOULD HAPPEN!!!!

Now look what you have done, pulled them all out of the cracks and brought them here....

I mean hell look around they are coming out of the woodwork to defend themselves over here.

Course this is MMORPG.com and noone gives a rats ass what they say here anyway, we don't even care about what is said in our own community half the time, much less theirs.

Listen dude, you brought them here, now you better start figuring out a way to get them back.

I'm not doing it! It isn't my job to take care of this mess, it is yours.

Get to work, spend less time trying to figure out how to improve JGE and more time trying to figure out how to get these guys back on their own forum.

Thats easy ...

I am just going to make another "Jumpgate should have 2D avatars" topic on JGE forums

That will keep them busy for month

That was a joke

Seriously. Now that we helped JGE community to discover mmorpg.com. Lets start making JGE discussion ,
this time on our own turf.

Originally posted by Renko

The way so many people came here from the JGE forum to jump up and down on the OP really just gives credence to what he wrote about them.

this

Originally posted by Renko

The way so many people came here from the JGE forum to jump up and down on the OP really just gives credence to what he wrote about them.

Not really.

Omg just ignore people you think is rude. But  in your case it just gives you reason to post even more, am I not right  

*ducks down in the cockpit*

I don't browse the new or old JG sites very much, but I think it would be going way overboard to call the old JG community horrible. I think it's just a tight knit group of individuals who don't want to see a game they have spent many years on saturated with ideas that might conflict with their perspective of the way the classic game functioned.

In response to class JG being a failure, I don't believe that for a minute. 3DO threw them out the door right after release if I remember correctly and they may have had some marketing problems afterwards, but that's about it. For a twitch based niche game that caters to a sci-fi genre to last all these years is an amazing success in my book.

I would absolutely expect some hostility in a forum if a new face showed up and began chatting about how great it would be to add in X, Y, and Z. Classic JG is unlike many of the newer generation MMO's and I am sure many of the vets are uneasy to adapt to. I think the old community wants to see the success of the new release as much as the newcomers. They were the ones who kept JG alive as long as it has.

Just remember, If not for that old community that the OP is angry about there would not be a JG. Or a JG forum, or a new JG to be excited about.

Give them a little credit and some respect. Then wait until the game is released and shoot down each and every one of them that slighted you on the forum. It's the Jumgate way. Just watch out for Liet. He's a nasty one. =P

kikujiro

This community sounds like the SWG (Star Wars Galaxies( Community as of late, rude and very hostile since thier game community is disappearing....

notice all the people attacking OP have 1-5 posts?

just and observation.

Personally I don't think that anything beats Pirates of the Burning Sea horrible community but that is just me.

If Jumpagte Evolution will be the updated version of the old game it will most likely sink as its predecessor (I know, I know, it was OMFG success in its microscopic niche a decade ago). Therefore, unless the devs stick to some insane "vision", it is reasonable to assume the changes will be made. This will, of course, make hardcores unhappy.

8 pages?? 8 pages to talk about how you don't like the people that didn't like your ideas???

I'm convinced half of the "supporting" posts are other accounts of yours, since you have nothing better to do than make trolling posts all day, yes, I read your posts in your profile, they're all negative!!!

Yep, I joined the JGE forum 3 days ago, and reading through the posts I can honestly say you couldn't be further from the truth if you had your own space shuttle!!!

ahhh, loving life

Big John (aka Trapper on JGE)

P.S. < you see that Join date? and this is the first time I've been stirred to call BS!

Are the devs/mods banning those wanting PvE content? Because if they aren't....cracks knuckles....I'll be more than glad to lend a 5 knuckle sandwiche to PvP types. :D

I don't like to fight, really don't but can hold my own. If the devs are thinking about having more than a newbie safety zone for PvEers but meeting resistence, I can help out (not a flame match I can't handle...lol).

Going to check the forum.......

Originally posted by SephirothJG

They come off as though they are the greatest people in the MMO community and that if anyone disagrees with them they should die horribly.

So, you're saying these people have been impersonating me? Those bastards!!

Originally posted by Lobotomist

I tried and given up.

You post topic like "JGE should have avatars" , and emidiately get response "I will kill on sight any player that has stupid avatar". Every word you post meets comments like "Stupid post of the month" , "You fail" , "Learn English" ... and not by single poster , but by group - probably in game guild or something.

Developers should listen to suggestion on their forums. But what can you do when forum is taken over by a virtual bullies ? 

 

 

lol sounds just like Mmorpg.com

Originally posted by Precursor

I don't browse the new or old JG sites very much, but I think it would be going way overboard to call the old JG community horrible. I think it's just a tight knit group of individuals who don't want to see a game they have spent many years on saturated with ideas that might conflict with their perspective of the way the classic game functioned.

In response to class JG being a failure, I don't believe that for a minute. 3DO threw them out the door right after release if I remember correctly and they may have had some marketing problems afterwards, but that's about it. For a twitch based niche game that caters to a sci-fi genre to last all these years is an amazing success in my book.

I would absolutely expect some hostility in a forum if a new face showed up and began chatting about how great it would be to add in X, Y, and Z. Classic JG is unlike many of the newer generation MMO's and I am sure many of the vets are uneasy to adapt to. I think the old community wants to see the success of the new release as much as the newcomers. They were the ones who kept JG alive as long as it has.

Just remember, If not for that old community that the OP is angry about there would not be a JG. Or a JG forum, or a new JG to be excited about.

Give them a little credit and some respect. Then wait until the game is released and shoot down each and every one of them that slighted you on the forum. It's the Jumgate way. Just watch out for Liet. He's a nasty one. =P

kikujiro

 

A close knit bunch who have known each other for years and already weeded out all dissent. Homogonised buy years of flaming and noobing.

No room for free thinkers or new idea's. Full of their own self importance.

Here is something you need to remember. If JGE only sells to you, and all those who played the old version, JGE will never exist.

If you want more, you will have to attract new players. You will have to cater to what they enjoy, and if you don't want to, and if you want it all the same, no one will lend the dev's enough money to make this game.

Time for you lot to say goodbye to "classic JG". "Classic JG was a flop. Are you the ones that kept JG going, or are you the ones that prevented it's success?

You can either embrace change or get left behind like the dodo's. No one cares. JGE will be different from JG and the old guard purists will all be disappointed. Just as they are in every game. This game will either embrace the mass market, or it won't see the light of day, and what the players of the old game want is of no more importance to what some one else who might buy the new title wants. It's not about who bought the last one, it is about who is going to buy the next one.

No one owes you any respect, because you played some old game no one likes or has heard of. If you want respect, you will have to earn it. If you want to be respected, the fastest way for you to get this is to start respecting others.