World of Warcraft

Originally posted by TdogSkal

 

Originally posted by sebbonx

Originally posted by Housam

its obvious u havent played any other games..if u did u would know how games like ff1 and eq2 are far superior to wow :)

I have played EQ1 and EQ2, and they suck beyond belief compared to WoW! Your opinion is not backed at all, show me the players! The players have spoken, 10 million strong we shout you down! WoW rules them all!

 

EQ1 blows WoW out of the water.  WoW everything was handed to you, you dont even have to think to play the game.  Everything is spelled out and it makes playing useless.  I played WoW for 2 years and I quit because I was bored, there was nothing to do, nothing new, nothing exciting.  I played EQ1 for over 5 years and I quit due to RL issues limiting my playing time, which lead me to WoW, go figure.  In my 5 years in EQ1 I never got bored, there was always something new to explorer or try, always something exciting to do. EQ1 has a huge huge world compared to WoWs world.  In 5 years of playing EQ1, I still have not seen everything that games has to offer.  In 2 years of WoW, I have seen every place in WoW, I have fought every mob in WoW. 

Eq is not dead.  It has alot less players but its not dead, I dont play but I know many that still do.

death penalties are one of the reasons why EQ1 is better then WoW.  Why do you want to play a game with no death penalties, why not just turn on GoD mode and play?  Were is the challage? The fear? The heart and soul of the game?  WoW is missing the heart and soul of a MMORPG. 

Sorry but I dnt think you ever played EQ1.  EQ1 and others before it started MMO's and if anything WoW is trying to kill it by including all these players that dont want to think, they want everything spelled out, no thinking required.

Why play a game that requires no thinking? It makes no sense. 

I play games to have fun, I have fun playing games because they make me think, they make me use my problem solving skills.

Have you seen the 'penalties' for death in EQ1 now?  Your whole argument is based on EQ1 several years ago.

Originally posted by Recant

 

Originally posted by zspawn

 

Originally posted by Recant

 

Originally posted by WiccanCircle

Originally posted by zspawn

 

Originally posted by Tunango

(McDonalds is good at what they do and thats sell junk food just as wow is good at what it does sell an mmo,

comparing the two is stupid.)

 

No it's not stupid meaning WoW is the junkfood of MMO...No real substance or qualities, just caters the masses for the cheap enjoyment + easy to acquire :)

 

Bingo! 

 WoW is the Junk-food of the MMO market.  Brilliant!  I had been trying to figure out a simple way to understand the popularity of WoW and I think the analogy between McDonalds and WoW is perhaps the best I have heard.  Cudos ZSpawn.  Spot on.

 

It's a *viable* analogy for the following reasons:

WoW *PROBABLY COSTS MORE* than other MMOs and you get less for more money.
The game was *rushed out and released too early like many MMORPGs BUT FIXED LATER ON*
The game is * has bugs + exploits that get you serious punishment UNLIKE the the majority of MMOs.*

Just like you can't say popularity = quality, you can't say a popular MMO is automatically cheap like McDonalds.  It doesn't work that way. -> Popularity != Quality actually that's why it doesn't mean it's good cause it appears on lists or high critical reviews (which are biased anyways)

Like I said, it's a *viable analogy given by those people who have thought about it very well, played pretty much everything else and are old enough in the genre*

 

There I fixed it for you... :)

And I do cook myself foods from over 5 different countries... ;D

 

WoW is a very very good MMO to begin with but if you're someone with a decent IQ and knowledge of when you're being fooled & milked at some point you have to move on...

 

That's my 2 cents of the Euro

 

All the top quality MMORPGs that are valid to compare to WoW have similar price tag.  Everquests / Eves/  CoXs etc etc. Saying it "PROBABLY COSTS MORE", does nothing to serve as an analogy to McDonalds which is cheap fast food.   By saying it's more expensive you're making my point.  Your issue that

 

WoW was certainly not rushed out before it was ready.  It had population issues because it was so popular, but the client has always been good.  Compare that to efforts such as Everquest 2 and Vanguard whose launches were considered poor and only became 'good' after a long while.

You claim that critical reviews are 'biased', hmm?  Biased to what, to WoW?  Critical reviews are biased to Blizzard?  HOW are they biassed?  How are hundreds of review publications ALL biased? 

Your inferrence that enjoying WoW over other MMORPGs equates to a low IQ and knowledge of MMOs is absurd and you're just trolling now.  Just cheap digs at a game you don't like.

Every reviewing site/magazine is biased in one way or the other... It's all business and if you're claiming that a game is high quality just cause a site said so...Well, someone has been a lamb...But anyways,

WoW's launch wasn't really better than other MMO but it was fixed + it was a simple game and people quickly caught up...

Yes it's indeed quite polished + offers a solid package but that doesn't make it quality really.

Like any country is portrayed by the quality of its inhabitants, you can really tell the quality of a game by the quality of its player base...And no matter how good you claim the good is, the community is failing miserably at being even mediocre... Go read WoW forums and have a stroll around ingame to see how's the people like...

Imho the game ultimately fails not because of its fundamental flaws as a whole, but how those fundamental flaws fuel the mediocrity of it's playerbase.

It really makes me sad cause I'm a Warcraft + Diablo fan to the bone...But truth is truth :)

World of Warcraft didn't raise the bar for other MMOs.

World of Warcraft simply turned the bar sideways and told us we needed to grind on it for months.

Originally posted by zspawn

 

 

WoW's launch wasn't really better than other MMO but it was fixed + it was a simple game and people quickly caught up...

Yes it's indeed quite polished + offers a solid package but that doesn't make it quality really.

Like any country is portrayed by the quality of its inhabitants, you can really tell the quality of a game by the quality of its player base...And no matter how good you claim the good is, the community is failing miserably at being even mediocre... Go read WoW forums and have a stroll around ingame to see how's the people like...

Imho the game ultimately fails not because of its fundamental flaws as a whole, but how those fundamental flaws fuel the mediocrity of it's playerbase.

To your first point, WoW's launch really was better than other MMO's.  Not all of them mind you, but definately some of them.  People have a revisionist history of WoW's launch.  Sure there were bugs, but they were not the kind of game breaking bugs that many other recent games have had.  Oh sure people moan and complain like the sky is falling for the tiniest of problems, but there were no problems that prevented you from playing the game except for one and that was not a bug, it was simply full servers.  That problem was rectified by adding additional servers as quickly as possible. 

You can claim all you want that WoW isn't a good game, which is your right and your opinion, but that doesn't change the fact that a large number of folks disagree with you and they prove it on a monthly basis when they open up their wallets.  No, 10 million people doesn't mean it's a good game, just very very successful.  You know what?  EVERY SINGLE GAME DEVELOPER ON THE PLANET COULDN'T GIVE A RATS ASS IF THEY MAKE A GOOD GAME, JUST AS LONG AS IT'S SUCCESSFUL.

Originally posted by zspawn

 

Originally posted by Recant

 

Originally posted by zspawn

 

Originally posted by Recant

 

Originally posted by WiccanCircle

Originally posted by zspawn

 

Originally posted by Tunango

(McDonalds is good at what they do and thats sell junk food just as wow is good at what it does sell an mmo,

comparing the two is stupid.)

 

No it's not stupid meaning WoW is the junkfood of MMO...No real substance or qualities, just caters the masses for the cheap enjoyment + easy to acquire :)

 

Bingo! 

 WoW is the Junk-food of the MMO market.  Brilliant!  I had been trying to figure out a simple way to understand the popularity of WoW and I think the analogy between McDonalds and WoW is perhaps the best I have heard.  Cudos ZSpawn.  Spot on.

 

It's a *viable* analogy for the following reasons:

WoW *PROBABLY COSTS MORE* than other MMOs and you get less for more money.
The game was *rushed out and released too early like many MMORPGs BUT FIXED LATER ON*
The game is * has bugs + exploits that get you serious punishment UNLIKE the the majority of MMOs.*

Just like you can't say popularity = quality, you can't say a popular MMO is automatically cheap like McDonalds.  It doesn't work that way. -> Popularity != Quality actually that's why it doesn't mean it's good cause it appears on lists or high critical reviews (which are biased anyways)

Like I said, it's a *viable analogy given by those people who have thought about it very well, played pretty much everything else and are old enough in the genre*

 

There I fixed it for you... :)

And I do cook myself foods from over 5 different countries... ;D

 

WoW is a very very good MMO to begin with but if you're someone with a decent IQ and knowledge of when you're being fooled & milked at some point you have to move on...

 

That's my 2 cents of the Euro

 

All the top quality MMORPGs that are valid to compare to WoW have similar price tag.  Everquests / Eves/  CoXs etc etc. Saying it "PROBABLY COSTS MORE", does nothing to serve as an analogy to McDonalds which is cheap fast food.   By saying it's more expensive you're making my point.  Your issue that

 

WoW was certainly not rushed out before it was ready.  It had population issues because it was so popular, but the client has always been good.  Compare that to efforts such as Everquest 2 and Vanguard whose launches were considered poor and only became 'good' after a long while.

You claim that critical reviews are 'biased', hmm?  Biased to what, to WoW?  Critical reviews are biased to Blizzard?  HOW are they biassed?  How are hundreds of review publications ALL biased? 

Your inferrence that enjoying WoW over other MMORPGs equates to a low IQ and knowledge of MMOs is absurd and you're just trolling now.  Just cheap digs at a game you don't like.

 

Every reviewing site/magazine is biased in one way or the other... It's all business and if you're claiming that a game is high quality just cause a site said so...Well, someone has been a lamb...But anyways,

WoW's launch wasn't really better than other MMO but it was fixed + it was a simple game and people quickly caught up...

Yes it's indeed quite polished + offers a solid package but that doesn't make it quality really.

Like any country is portrayed by the quality of its inhabitants, you can really tell the quality of a game by the quality of its player base...And no matter how good you claim the good is, the community is failing miserably at being even mediocre... Go read WoW forums and have a stroll around ingame to see how's the people like...

Imho the game ultimately fails not because of its fundamental flaws as a whole, but how those fundamental flaws fuel the mediocrity of it's playerbase.

It really makes me sad cause I'm a Warcraft + Diablo fan to the bone...But truth is truth :)

You are really trolling now.  I asked you how they were biased, and all you can say in reply that the majority of gaming publications are biased - but you won't tell me what their bias is or the reason for it.  It's as though you're inferring that Blizzard controls them?  Why do big budget flops get poor reviews then?   Your response is exactly like saying "because they are.... so there... by the way, you're a lamb LOL".  Nice, but not to worry, I'm just a "low IQ" WoW player with poor knowledge of other MMOs, isn't that right?

So with all of that bigotry I really don't think you are capable of judging a game's qualities objectively.  All you have done is troll on this thread.  You have dodged my arguments which have pretty much decimated your own statements such as the applicability of the bad fast-food analogy.  If you can come back with some substance to this debate you might redeem yourself but you're just making yourself look like a hypocrite, and little more than a forum troll.

People often come here to bash WoW but when presented with the merest hint of fact and reason, they turn to personal insults /trolling.

WoW is hot because it actually WORKS, it's POLISHED, its not laggy, the gfx are nice but even more importantly it is perfectly developed.

You go play other MMO's its bugs bugs bugs.

I've played many many MMO's compared to wow they are all laggy badly developed pieces of crap.

Blizzard deserves every customer, every award, every standing ovation, they were the first to "get it right."

Originally posted by fizzle322

 they were the first to "get it right." (for mass consumption)

WOWs a good game but there were other popular MMOs before it - that didnt suck