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Originally posted by Shayde
He's WAY off on SWG's numbers.

There's no reason to add access pass numbers NOR the free trials.

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Yea Bruce is waay of on the SOE numbers. By doing /whos on some of the low pop servers in EQ2 you know there are alot more people on those servers than the SWG servers. Considering that SOE does not release subscriber numbers like.....ever. I'm not surprised that his info on those games are f'ed. Also wow is only like 100k from reaching 7mil. Though, I think Blizzard is more open with their numbers. I also don't think that Square's numbers have only dropped 150K Since the peak of FFXI.....I'm going to be honest. Alot of those numbers are....alright guesses, some are factual i'm sure. It's definately a site you need to read, and not just look at the charts, because honeslty the information on the charts is really misleading to anyone that's too lazy to read the site.

Another thing, about 4 or 5 months ago SOE had a post on their launcher that EQ2 had Reached 300K Subscribers. That number isn't even on the charts. Also Sirbruce is very bias against games he doesn't like. So i don't really take the chart seriously.

You know the thing is here I don't play WoW but I do have active accounts in CoX and EQ (untill they both run out next summer as I get ready for DC online heroes and STO) and there are a crapload of people playing CoX from what I can see, and last time I logged onto EQ (early last week) there are a crapload of people on the preogressive servers, the live server I have all my toons on over there is noticeably depleted.

Here's a thought too btw, Someone mentioned same numbers for EQ and SWG (unless I got that jumbled, it's early) keep in mind there's station pass for SoE.

Now I have heard FFXI numbers have rissen from alot of friends playing it via the Xbox360 (an I dea I am toying with still to this day to get away from the cpu and endles upgrades)

I have my doubts as to the accuracy of the charts.

SWG has 200k subscribers?  Riiiiiight.

SWG has more subscirbers than CoX?  Again, I find that very hard to believe as there are a lot of people playing CoX right now (least on my server).  I work late so when I play is definately offpeak times, yet never have problems finding people online to team with.

I remember an article I read a while back that said SOE inflates its subscriber numbers to make their games look more prosperous.  Basically, anyone who subscribed at any time is still being counted as "a subscriber".  So, I left EQ shortly after Planes of Power, but they are still counting me as A Subscriber because well I *did* subscribe at one point I guess....

The chart also shows EQ1 having vastly higher subscribers than the newer games, which can't be right since EQ1 had to MERGE servers in 2005.  You do not do that if you have 500k subscribers, you do that when a server is a barren wasteland and you have players screaming for someone, ANYONE, to group with.

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We provide Bruce regularly with numbers ourselves for EVE and I know a number of other developers that supply him directly. A lot of people in the industry have followed his numbers through the years and he's about the best baseline you can get.

If you read through all his FAQ and background data you will see all the caveats, but as long as you are aware of those and don't simply look at the bare numbers in the graphs, you'll have something adequately accurate compared to what else is out there. Nobody is claiming it's accurate, but it's far from guesstimates.

Double post :P

I just find it funny how he does not represent Lineage 1 or 2 in the Asian market. And if this charts hold true didn't NCsoft also claim 14 mil Subscribers world wide for Lineage backs that does not show up on his time line.

So in other words who really knows!

No one really knows anything when it comes to statistics.  But inasmuch as anything can be known, MMOGchart.com is as good as any info out there, and a lot better than most.  To act as if it's useless is wrong.  I mean if it wasn't for MMOGchart.com the only info we'd have would be coming from sources that don't aspire to any level of objectivity.