Originally posted by Urdig

 

Originally posted by windstrike1

 

Originally posted by MadAce

mental development > physical development

 

Hot teenage girl > saggy fat sack 30 year old

I have to be honest.  I'm not sure I could socialize with woman my age.  Woman my age are...older.  We as men really do stay mentally younger longer.  Woman mature faster.  For me it's not that woman aren't attractive at 30+ I just can't get there mentally.

 

I disagree. That's feminist propaganda.

Originally posted by Netzoko

I'm totally against all laws involving personal choice. It's not the government's role to shape society or culture to something religious or "moral."

Gay marriage, statutory rape, drinking/smoking age laws, drug bans... They all are personal choices which the government disallows.

As the OP said, in the past these things were not considered 'bad.' As far as statutory rape, people change their minds about what's moral, which jades the definition of morality in the first place. If something is wrong it remains wrong forever.

 

Yeehawww partner! I agree, damn government is stopping me from having sex with children, its my personal choice dammit!

*Disclaimer* I'm not a child molester this is intended as a joke.

Originally posted by osiriss

Some countries in Europe are not so far away from the 17/18 century  when it comes to sex. Already, 20 European countries have ages of consent lower than l6. The minimum age is effectively l2 in the Netherlands, Spain, Portugal and Malta. It's 14 in Slovenia, Iceland, Montenegro, Serbia, Italy, San Marino, Albania and, in certain circumstances, Germany. All these laws apply equally to hetero and homo sex.

Compared to the UK which is 16 , age 12 seems a bit extreme but i guess other nations see it differently. For the people who come from Holland..does this mean that a 50 year old man can have sex(consenting sex) with a child of 12?

I am not knocking holland because there teenage birth rate is one of the lowest in europe and std are very low compared to the uk. Going by that you must be doing something right when it comes to educating kids and being open about sex.

 

 

 

No matter HOW OLD.. EDUCATE these young folk instead of lying to them about the idea and reasons behind sexual activity.. No more storks folks.. And even if they are legally ABLE to have it, you just may be suprised about how many who actually do NOT feel ready to have it..

tvalentine,

Yes, everyone I know is a child molester, including me. That's all any of us think about: molesting children. We all have child sex slaves. It's the thing to do, and it's cheap! It's even legal! We all feel very relaxed all the time.

Plus, you are, once again, completely correct in thinking that I believe everyone is good. Not just some people. Everyone. We're all good people and there is no one who is bad. Even bad people are good people, just misunderstood.

It's a good thing that you don't pretend to read my mind by trying to tell me what I think, because that would be bad, and there are no bad people. Stating I believe that there are only good people in the world would be bad except I just said I don't believe there are any bad people in the world, so saying that is good. Isn't that good?

Please keep making your comments, as they are always correct and never extreme, and they are always good and never bad. Say a hello to your child sex slave for me, too.

Thanks.

Originally posted by Tuor7

tvalentine,

Yes, everyone I know is a child molester, including me. That's all any of us think about: molesting children. We all have child sex slaves. It's the thing to do, and it's cheap! It's even legal! We all feel very relaxed all the time.

Plus, you are, once again, completely correct in thinking that I believe everyone is good. Not just some people. Everyone. We're all good people and there is no one who is bad. Even bad people are good people, just misunderstood.

It's a good thing that you don't pretend to read my mind by trying to tell me what I think, because that would be bad, and there are no bad people. Stating I believe that there are only good people in the world would be bad except I just said I don't believe there are any bad people in the world, so saying that is good. Isn't that good?

Please keep making your comments, as they are always correct and never extreme, and they are always good and never bad. Say a hello to your child sex slave for me, too.

Thanks.

Thats why we fight wars... Because one guy thinks he's RIGHT and the other is WRONG and vice versa..

I'm not an anarchist but I have to say, my ideas of "child molestation" dig alot deeper than the mere occurance of "years alive"... It has ALOT to do with the teachings and morality of the people involved.. Also the mentality and maturity of the subject in question.. Could we hold an amish community to the same "moral standards" as the rest of us, though they have their own moral code that probably includes the marriage of young females to older males?... No.. we couldnt and you'd be a dictator like idiot if you thought you could force them (with the power of the government) to think like you did...

LOL!!....ok listen up, I have heard a few stories about this..... Ladies in general back then weren’t as independent as they are nowadays. I have heard many stories from elderly ladies about women were majority homemakers and such; nowadays they're everything from judges to salesperson. I believe back then it was ok for women to marry at a young age because they're parents were ok with it. I believe and have heard that women marry young to successful men to have a better future for themselves because unlike today women back then couldn’t be the next president. A successful future back then (for women) was to have a big house and lots of children. Women are more independent today therefore don’t have to rely on men as much for anything....they have more rights and more jobs available to them today. They don't want to marry young or they're parents don;t want them to marry young because the young ladies can be anything they want to be not just a house wife or a mother. Think about it why settle down when you can be the next Oprah? or Hiliary?  Women have new dreams and new standards and marrying young will prevent most of them from reaching those goals and dreams. There is alot of schooling to obtain master degrees and such. It would be very hard to do your schooling with 3 kids and a husband who is a full time worker. ( I know you thinking babysitter but what if you cant afford it nor have any friends or family near or willing to help you out?)

Originally posted by Vyeth

 

Originally posted by Tuor7

tvalentine,

Yes, everyone I know is a child molester, including me. That's all any of us think about: molesting children. We all have child sex slaves. It's the thing to do, and it's cheap! It's even legal! We all feel very relaxed all the time.

Plus, you are, once again, completely correct in thinking that I believe everyone is good. Not just some people. Everyone. We're all good people and there is no one who is bad. Even bad people are good people, just misunderstood.

It's a good thing that you don't pretend to read my mind by trying to tell me what I think, because that would be bad, and there are no bad people. Stating I believe that there are only good people in the world would be bad except I just said I don't believe there are any bad people in the world, so saying that is good. Isn't that good?

Please keep making your comments, as they are always correct and never extreme, and they are always good and never bad. Say a hello to your child sex slave for me, too.

Thanks.

Isn't it funny how everyone thinks they know "right" and "wrong"? "Good" and :Bad"?

 

Thats why we fight wars... Because one guy thinks he's RIGHT and the other is WRONG and vice versa..

I'm not an anarchist but I have to say, my ideas of "child molestation" dig alot deeper than the mere occurance of "years alive"... It has ALOT to do with the teachings and morality of the people involved.. Also the mentality and maturity of the subject in question.. Could we hold an amish community to the same "moral standards" as the rest of us, though they have their own moral code that probably includes the marriage of young females to older males?... No.. we couldnt and you'd be a dictator like idiot if you thought you could force them (with the power of the government) to think like you did...

I am pretty sure Omish have to follow the laws just like the rest of us so yes, we do impose our moral standards on them. I read a local article awhile back of Omish brothers raping their sister. The Omish were saying it was taken care of internally but that didn't cut it with the law.

Times have changed...

When Edgar Allen Poe was in his 20's, he married his14 year old cousin....Although he was pretty messed up..

Originally posted by KrAzYBLADE

LOL!!....ok listen up, I have heard a few stories about this..... Ladies in general back then weren’t as independent as they are nowadays. I have heard many stories from elderly ladies about women were majority homemakers and such; nowadays they're everything from judges to salesperson. I believe back then it was ok for women to marry at a young age because they're parents were ok with it. I believe and have heard that women marry young to successful men to have a better future for themselves because unlike today women back then couldn’t be the next president. A successful future back then (for women) was to have a big house and lots of children. Women are more independent today therefore don’t have to rely on men as much for anything....they have more rights and more jobs available to them today. They don't want to marry young or they're parents don;t want them to marry young because the young ladies can be anything they want to be not just a house wife or a mother. Think about it why settle down when you can be the next Oprah? or Hiliary?  Women have new dreams and new standards and marrying young will prevent most of them from reaching those goals and dreams. There is alot of schooling to obtain master degrees and such. It would be very hard to do your schooling with 3 kids and a husband who is a full time worker. ( I know you thinking babysitter but what if you cant afford it nor have any friends or family near or willing to help you out?)

I am sort of dismayed with what we call a "successful" woman these days.  What's success for a woman today?  The fact that she is divorced and trying to take care of children on her own?  Or maybe the successful woman is the one that is married, but is working all day instead of spending the time with her children that she needs to.  Then when she is raking in the big money and her kids are all f'n stupid as shit because they don't have someone to keep them in line, she can feel great about her pocket book.

That's success?  I don't think so.  I think a successful woman is one that stays married, realizes that raising children is about the most important job she could ever dream of having, and produces wonderful morally guided human beings to help all of society.

This new woman stuff is horrible.  Hedonistic is the best I can say of it.

Originally posted by Urdig

 

Originally posted by windstrike1

 

Originally posted by MadAce

mental development > physical development

 

Hot teenage girl > saggy fat sack 30 year old

Man, that made me laugh.

 

Ok.  I'm 31.  The oldest girl I've ever dated was 23.  My ex left me a few months before she turned 24, some irony. 

I have to be honest.  I'm not sure I could socialize with woman my age.  Woman my age are...older.  We as men really do stay mentally younger longer.  Woman mature faster.  For me it's not that woman aren't attractive at 30+ I just can't get there mentally.

My little brother is 21, his girlfriend is 18, and she has a friend who just turned 18 who thinks I'm old but she would still "give it to me".  I'm so going to ruin her for every 18 year old boy out there.  And yeah, I do feel a bit like a perv.  Do I care?  HELL NO!  More then feeling like a perv I feel a little weird that my little brothers girlfriend is pimping her friend on me.  She is such a kind hearted young lady. 

Ummm...No offense but you really should feel like a perv for dating an 18 year old when you are 31....I just don't think that is natural. If you were mabye 25, it would not be that big of a deal, but 31....She's not even an adult yet.

Originally posted by gnomexxx

 

Originally posted by KrAzYBLADE

LOL!!....ok listen up, I have heard a few stories about this..... Ladies in general back then weren’t as independent as they are nowadays. I have heard many stories from elderly ladies about women were majority homemakers and such; nowadays they're everything from judges to salesperson. I believe back then it was ok for women to marry at a young age because they're parents were ok with it. I believe and have heard that women marry young to successful men to have a better future for themselves because unlike today women back then couldn’t be the next president. A successful future back then (for women) was to have a big house and lots of children. Women are more independent today therefore don’t have to rely on men as much for anything....they have more rights and more jobs available to them today. They don't want to marry young or they're parents don;t want them to marry young because the young ladies can be anything they want to be not just a house wife or a mother. Think about it why settle down when you can be the next Oprah? or Hiliary?  Women have new dreams and new standards and marrying young will prevent most of them from reaching those goals and dreams. There is alot of schooling to obtain master degrees and such. It would be very hard to do your schooling with 3 kids and a husband who is a full time worker. ( I know you thinking babysitter but what if you cant afford it nor have any friends or family near or willing to help you out?)

I'm sorry, but your argument didn't quite hit it out of the park with me.

 

I am sort of dismayed with what we call a "successful" woman these days.  What's success for a woman today?  The fact that she is divorced and trying to take care of children on her own?  Or maybe the successful woman is the one that is married, but is working all day instead of spending the time with her children that she needs to.  Then when she is raking in the big money and her kids are all f'n stupid as shit because they don't have someone to keep them in line, she can feel great about her pocket book.

That's success?  I don't think so.  I think a successful woman is one that stays married, realizes that raising children is about the most important job she could ever dream of having, and produces wonderful morally guided human beings to help all of society.

This new woman stuff is horrible.  Hedonistic is the best I can say of it.

Thats not success in my book, but we all have an opinion on what success is...i see success as morally not being rich or having a $100,000 car. Success however in today's society is look at, at a materialistic point of view with how much you make and what kinda car you drive etc. etc.....you and i have morals that defines us to be non-materialistic. Having a family that sticks together through thick and thin is a successful family, not because they live in a 6 bedroom house. My "argument" you say; is not displaying what success is, merely stating women are more independant nowadays, with more high paying jobs available to them. They are also less dependant on men to provide for them. I am a poor man and i will always be poor but i will always be rich in love and friends and thats all I need to be a successful human being.

wow, without getting completely pissed off at the person who said a successful woman is a housewife, my take on the whole thing is simply they were forced to grow up earlier back then.  My grandma had to drop out of eighth grade so she could help her family make money.  if you can get married and be supported, then power to you.  If he's older, well, then lets call it a sugar daddy.