From my personal experience with you Lobotomist (aka rattrap) ive found your threads are almost always based on an agenda and you are very aggressive in your approach. Whether you realise it or not, your opinions can hit on notes that others find important, and unfortunately not everyone is mature in their response.

If you want to keep a topic civil, you have to ignore the flamers and only reply to posters with credible arguement.

The moment you diverge into personal insults, is the moment it all comes tumbling down.

There are flamers in all forums, except this forum perhaps becuase they get banned in seconds, but they exist nevertheless. Just ignore them.

Originally posted by godpuppet

From my personal experience with you Lobotomist (aka rattrap) ive found your threads are almost always based on an agenda and you are very aggressive in your approach. Whether you realise it or not, your opinions can hit on notes that others find important, and unfortunately not everyone is mature in their response.

If you want to keep a topic civil, you have to ignore the flamers and only reply to posters with credible arguement.

The moment you diverge into personal insults, is the moment it all comes tumbling down.

 

There are flamers in all forums, except this forum perhaps becuase they get banned in seconds, but they exist nevertheless. Just ignore them.

Well said.

I  can not understand the utter absurdity and reverse logic of  these forums.

When original poster posts a constructive argument on a forum  , but instead of a civil answer or reply - he is insulted. He insults back. And than he is branded flamer for it .

Sounds logical ?

When a whole group of posters defends the insults, and encourages them - but they are not called horrible community ?

Is that a good community ?

I repeat my original statement.

JGE has horrible community. And if you do not believe me , try it for your self.

Just go and post a word not in the line of the "vision" and see for your self.

...

And PS GodPuppet , i do react to the insult with an insult - mea culpa

Originally posted by Lobotomist

I  can not understand the utter absurdity and reverse logic of  these forums.

When original poster posts a constructive argument on a forum  , but instead of a civil answer or reply - he is insulted. He insults back. And than he is branded flamer for it .

Sounds logical ?

When a whole group of posters defends the insults, and encourages them - but they are not called horrible community ?

Is that a good community ?

I repeat my original statement.

JGE has horrible community. And if you do not believe me , try it for your self.

Just go and post a word not in the line of the "vision" and see for your self.

...

And PS GodPuppet , i do react to the insult with an insult - mea culpa

PS Answer: Many flames are flamebait, replying will only take the thread topic off track or turn it into a flamefest.

Judging by your response, im not really surprised they reacted to you in this way.

Originally posted by Lobotomist

I  can not understand the utter absurdity and reverse logic of  these forums.

When original poster posts a constructive argument on a forum  , but instead of a civil answer or reply - he is insulted. He insults back. And than he is branded flamer for it .

Sounds logical ?

When a whole group of posters defends the insults, and encourages them - but they are not called horrible community ?

Is that a good community ?

 

I repeat my original statement.

JGE has horrible community. And if you do not believe me , try it for your self.

Just go and post a word not in the line of the "vision" and see for your self.

 

...

 

And PS GodPuppet , i do react to the insult with an insult - mea culpa

 

After reading several of your posts, and the responses, it is very clear you go into this looking for a fight, and make one if none exists. You obviously have not learned anything about the game and it's community, or you would have known that the KOS comment you got was nothing more than a passing IC (in character) comment. But I think the minute anyone disagrees with you, you start this "the game sucks and everyone is mean and hatefull" rant. What are you, a 12 year old girl going through puberty?

You know, on a scale of 1 to 10, my PvP skills probably put me at a three, on a good day, but if I saw you ingame, I'd shoot you too.

Hehe

Wonder why all posters claiming JGE community is not horrible , but it is me who is just bad repping them for nothing - are people with 1-10 posts on this forums ?

Make a guess

Originally posted by Lobotomist

If you ever thought to jump by JGE website and check the forums there , my advice is:  forget it...

In many many years of gaming i never seen more hostile horrible community. Basically the forums there are taken over by ex Jumpgate classic players. Old Jumpgate is, and never was a sucesfull game - and it was played by  a handfull of hardcore entusiasts. ( Also known to repetedly gank newcomers to game
to such a degree that even game developers begged them to stop, because they were driving away what was allready small player base. Some people even claim JGC failed because of the bad rep caused by them )

This group of people has now taken over JGE forums. Their goal is to harass any poster recommending anything new or any change or evolvment of JGE from its old classic. Any post with new idea or something different to what they knew and are used to in the classic game, are met not by arguments but straight personal insults.

So if you are new player. Interested in JGE (like i was) I advice you to spare your time and avoid the said forums.

 

My only hope is that this attempt to ruin any potential of this up comming game will not succeed, and that
the developers will realize they are dealing with loud and aggressive minority that will do world of hurt to the game and the fan base it is hoping to achieve...

So far they lost one...

 

 

Ill have to agree with you, i have NO plans to consider this game, they are not only childish but are unable to think outside the box. More than likely their game will fail "again" as their first one did, its too bad they dont seem to understand games need funding and without subs no new content, art, expan's and so on will happen as their first game did!

Count me out!

Originally posted by Lobotomist

Hehe

Wonder why all posters claiming JGE community is not horrible , but it is me who is just bad repping them for nothing - are people with 1-10 posts on this forums ?

Make a guess

I've been registered here for years, I just don't post on their forums. Well, except for "special" people.  

Originally posted by TheRag

Originally posted by Lobotomist

Hehe

Wonder why all posters claiming JGE community is not horrible , but it is me who is just bad repping them for nothing - are people with 1-10 posts on this forums ?

Make a guess

I've been registered here for years, I just don't post on their forums. Well, except for "special" people.  

Or when you have to defend your bully crew from JGE forums ?

Lobotomist, you come to the Jumpgate Evolution forums and post a bunch of threads all on the same idea which a large portion of the community disagreed with. You then proceed to argue pointlessly, flame, and just be a prick in general. You have an attitude when you post that says, "I'm better than everyone else here, do what I say," you don't seem to understand that Jumpgate Evolution isn't meant to copy every other game out there. So what if other games have avatars? I'm going to have to agree with Liet, avatars (like the ones in Eve) look really bad and kill immersion rather than improve it.

Now you come to the MMORPG forums and start making things up about a community you know nothing about and never once tried to get along with. If someone new joins the community and is polite, it doesn't matter if we disagree with their ideas we will welcome them in kind. If someone new joins the community and is a complete prick, has little knowledge of the previous game and it's community, but tries to speak as if they do (ie. you) the community will not react well and you'll get flamed for it. And if you think this is unique to the Jumpgate community than you clearly have only been on the internet for a month. This happens everywhere on the internet, especially on game forums. Get used to it.

You weren't flamed because of your ideas, you were flamed because you have a poor attitude. Maybe if you tried adjusting it a little you would be better received. As for calling JGC a failure, I'd like to see you and two other guys write a game in their basement, get it published and have it run for eight years and remain profitable. Scorch (Netdevil CEO) has said that to this day Jumpgate Classic is profitable in a recent interview. I'd hardly call a profitable game a failure. It may not be a massive success but that doesn't mean it failed miserably either. Even now, despite relatively low online numbers I can login at night, find a fight, have fun for a few hours and log off. It may not have 9 million subscribers like World of Warcraft, but it is a long way off of being a failure.

Please stop making up garbage and BS about a community you know nothing about. For anyone who is reading his posts: ignore them. He doesn't know what he is talking about.

Originally posted by SephirothJG

For anyone who is reading his posts: ignore them. He doesn't know what he is talking about.

Don't worry, we sort of do anyways, but his posts are fun to read for the entertainment value.

I actually went and read some of the links others posted here, and I thought many folks gave reasonable replies to the suggestions.  Sure, there were a few flames, but hey, that happens here all the time as well.

One thing that's for sure is that if you go spoiling for a fight on an internet forum you'll find it. Thing is you have to chose to either ignore it, or jump right in and enjoy the fun.

But you probably shouldn't complain about the results afterwards.

First of all the cardinal rule of internet forums is don't feed the trolls. Flaming back something you say you do because you have a spine isn't "brave" or manly it is counter-productive at best and at worst it is a sign that you are gullible. Trolls post up flame bait TRYING to get you to flame back. They do this just to get a rise out of you, so you think you are "defending your honor in a courageous and manly way" on the internet forum but in reality they are making you look bad.

Lobo,

you know sometimes we clash on some subjects, and sometimes I support what your saying because sometimes, not all the time, but sometimes your right on whatever it is your saying.

I read all the crap over on JGE, you are only half right this time. Not really sure what "half right" is yet but that is what I am going to classify it as. You were wrong in stooping down the the 5yr old mentality and flaming back.

Usually it is good to just take a deep breathe and let it go, you have been on MMORPG long enough to have learned that by now, hell we have one of the MOST brutal forums on the net, with the amount of garbage that flings out of this place.

You were right that the JGE evo community does appear to be a very "special" group of individuals, not really a place I would want to "hang out".

So that makes you "half right".

Now another thing you are right about it is alllll these goons posting with 1-10 post totals. They are JGE people making their way here.

That is what upsets me, YOU JUST HAD TO BRING THEM HERE DIDN'T YOU. Couldn't leave them over there on the JGE forums to cause ruckus, you had to leave a trail of bread crumbs back to us.

Like we here at MMORPG need anymore immature bile on the forums.

I could choke you out for this crap.

THANKS LOBO!

So basically what you are trying to say is.

JGE forum community is like this:
1 post is valid argument , 1 post is : I will kill you on sight , 1 post is "You Fail" ,1 post  "You are flamer because you insult people insulting you"

Got the picture ? And this is a normal forum community 

You get that for posting a topic - JGE should have picture Avatars ...
Same got people that wrote about turrets , and the ones who wrote about autopilot , universe map ...
Basically any fresh innovative idea , gets flamed there ... go figure

And what now? Somebody posted a link to this topic on JGE forum , and alerted you all to salvage the situation?

Mate, you should salvage the situation on your own forums, and try to be more friendly to people and less hostile. What you are doing is just hurting the game. Dont you understand that ?

Originally posted by Lobotomist

Hehe

Wonder why all posters claiming JGE community is not horrible , but it is me who is just bad repping them for nothing - are people with 1-10 posts on this forums ?

Make a guess

The discussions on the thread you mentioned seemed to me pretty normal for a thread that is repeated too often already.

The avatar issue seemed to be done to death and some of the flaming originates from this fact.

Also, it is a subject that has been discussed by the devs. With as reason that this subject will be pushed back to keep the release date ontrack.

Any fan of a game in development will try to keep release date ontrack. And the one thing they fear is that a horde of 'outsiders' (a fuzzy label I agree) might give the marketing/ceo/ or even the developers the impression that in order to capture the target-market, they will need to add this feature at the cost of a later release date.

Such an event might be enough to push any fanboy into a rabbid frenzy.

Just look at Sony's decission to make SWG more appealing to a younger audiance. (Still foaming from my mouth here)

You seeked out a sore spot, and tapped on it, turned around, pointed and shouted "See! Agression!"

Not impressed.

Originally posted by Lobotomist

If you ever thought to jump by JGE website and check the forums there , my advice is:  forget it...

In many many years of gaming i never seen more hostile horrible community. Basically the forums there are taken over by ex Jumpgate classic players. Old Jumpgate is, and never was a sucesfull game - and it was played by  a handfull of hardcore entusiasts. ( Also known to repetedly gank newcomers to game
to such a degree that even game developers begged them to stop, because they were driving away what was allready small player base. Some people even claim JGC failed because of the bad rep caused by them )

This group of people has now taken over JGE forums. Their goal is to harass any poster recommending anything new or any change or evolvment of JGE from its old classic. Any post with new idea or something different to what they knew and are used to in the classic game, are met not by arguments but straight personal insults.

So if you are new player. Interested in JGE (like i was) I advice you to spare your time and avoid the said forums.

 

My only hope is that this attempt to ruin any potential of this up comming game will not succeed, and that
the developers will realize they are dealing with loud and aggressive minority that will do world of hurt to the game and the fan base it is hoping to achieve...

So far they lost one...

 

 

Also understand that our players are very passionate about our game and while they may have strong ideas on how this game should turn out, they are in whole a good group of people who care about this game because they want it to succeed.

Have a good one!

Originally posted by Lobotomist

 

Real question is : why does JGE forum bully feels he has to answer game suggestion , with insults ??

no, the real question is why do you feel a need to drag jge and the community down in the dirt?  If there's iffy community standards, show the evidence then stfu and let people decide for themselves, instead of making it some kind of personal vendetta against them. 

You must be a swg vet.

lobo, u need a big hug.

Insulting someone while debating is the second last strategy to winning a losing argument.  You are going to lose anyway so you may aswell try it.  Unfortunately, people these days have lost the ability to handle opposing views properly and often lead with a decent idea that can stand on its own merit but then immediately follow it up with personal insults; and more and more often they just toss out insults.

If you are wondering what the last strategy is.........it's to become violent.  Nothing will make an opponent more agreeable then your fist to his face, but that is no longer acceptable behavior.  Except in games that have open PvP - maybe it should be no surprise these people are behaving the way they do.

I joined jumpgate way back in beta, and I've always found the community to be a friendly group of people. Yes, they have alot of newbie killers, but overall people are friendly as long as you behave yourself.

I certainly hope that Netdevil doesn't make the same mistakes they did in the past. This game certainly has alot of potential and needs to get past the elitism that their current game has. Making the game more newbie friendly and accessable will go a long way to building a large user base.