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oh icic... I got my phenom and is default 2200... then i overclock it to 2400 and orthos give me some erros every 4 to 5 minutes.... something about a misscalculation, when I raise the clock to 2600, windows start complaining about some driver getting corrupted and ask for a repair and such. What is more interesting is that starting the windows setup hangs the computer.

I dont understand this problem because I set up my memories down to 200 so they dont get exesive overclock and the bios is not marking any high temperature on the processor...

I was going to try to mess up with the memory channel skew timing... but was to tire of overclocking so I set up default and get into UT3... and some GW....

Maybe today i try to overclock more....

Originally posted by tvalentine

 

Originally posted by Pelu

so no matter how much cooling the system get screw up very fast because of stress under extream overclocks???

 

yes no matter how much cooling you have, if you overclock it as much as vindcoth did, it will not last long. .3-.4 OCs are necessarily that bad, and i would recommend OCing just a little, and not 1.2 ghz. And you would need a pretty good cooling system to keep an OCed processor cool also.

so to answer your question, under extreme OCs you will definetly shortent he lifespan of your CPU, no matter how much cooling you have.

You're ignorance is beginning to annoy me. You don't understand processors at all. The only factors that limit a processors life span are HEAT and VOLTAGE. Heat is also a direct effect from raising Voltage.

If you go to Intels website http://processorfinder.intel.com/details.aspx?sSpec=SLACR# You will find that the maximum Thermal Specification for a G0 Stepping (also known as SLACR) Intel Q6600 is 71C. Without proper cooling, it is possible to reach that with STOCK PC's.

You will also see that the maximum VID Voltage range is 1.5V. I'm running mine at 1.4v which is stable prime95 for 24 hours.

As long as your 2 factors of HEAT and VOLTAGE are under the processors maximum specifications, you will see very little life expectancy decrease. As a matter of fact if you ran at the maximum thermal specifications and it didn't reach its maximum life expectancy without any other factors like lightning or power surges causing the defect, that could very well be cause for a lawsuit now couldnt it?

I'm sorry but a direct increase in MHZ or GHZ without heat and voltage increases is NOT going to decrease life expectancy in any way. Thats all higher versions of these processors are anyway.

Do you think they have some sort of magical way of making their Extreme line of processors faster?

They're just regular processors with unlocked multipliers and increased voltages.

I've been building computers and overclocking for 9 years. Don't telll me how long something I put together is gonna last without first doing research like I have. Even if this processor only lasts 3 years thats more than I'm gonna need because I'm gonna be upgraded by then.

Originally posted by Pelu

oh icic... I got my phenom and is default 2200... then i overclock it to 2400 and orthos give me some erros every 4 to 5 minutes.... something about a misscalculation, when I raise the clock to 2600, windows start complaining about some driver getting corrupted and ask for a repair and such. What is more interesting is that starting the windows setup hangs the computer.

I dont understand this problem because I set up my memories down to 200 so they dont get exesive overclock and the bios is not marking any high temperature on the processor...

I was going to try to mess up with the memory channel skew timing... but was to tire of overclocking so I set up default and get into UT3... and some GW....

Maybe today i try to overclock more....

Overclocking AMD processors is quite different than Intel right now because AMD processors have an Integrated Memory Controller. That means when you raise the processors speed, you also have to decrease your rams speed by the appropriate ratio to make sure ti doesn't get clocked too high. Example

You are at 200MHZ FSB x 11 Multiplier to reach 2200 MHZ or 2.2ghz (theoretical numbers, I'm not sure what phenoms are at)

You want to increase your processor speed, and you can do this by 1 of 2 ways. You can increase the multiplier or you can increase the FSB. Now the multiplier is locked at a maximum but can be reduced unless you have a Black Edition processor, in which the multiplier can be raised and you can get an overclock that way without having to raise your FSB directly.

But since you dont have a black edition you are gonna have to raise your FSB. So you raise it to 220MHZ x 11 to get 2420MHZ or 2.4 ghz

Your rams speed is gonna be raised by 20 MHZ. Say you are running DDR-2 800MHZ, since its DDR2 its double pumped so its actually 400MHZ. You raise speed to 420MHZ, your ram goes up to 840MHZ Double pumped. Now thats a minor overclock so that should be fine. But say you get to 900+ MHZ and your ram isnt rated for that, you're gonna have to do one of 2 things, lower your rams ratio to FSB, or increase your voltage. When you increase voltage you increase heat.

These are just theoretical speeds as I'm not sure what your processor really is running but there are so many different factors.

Don't let that thinks-he-knows-it-all tell you any different without first backing it up with facts. There are plenty of people out there way more knowledgeable than me in overclocking but he's not one.

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Originally posted by Vindicoth

 

Originally posted by Pelu

oh icic... I got my phenom and is default 2200... then i overclock it to 2400 and orthos give me some erros every 4 to 5 minutes.... something about a misscalculation, when I raise the clock to 2600, windows start complaining about some driver getting corrupted and ask for a repair and such. What is more interesting is that starting the windows setup hangs the computer.

I dont understand this problem because I set up my memories down to 200 so they dont get exesive overclock and the bios is not marking any high temperature on the processor...

I was going to try to mess up with the memory channel skew timing... but was to tire of overclocking so I set up default and get into UT3... and some GW....

Maybe today i try to overclock more....

 

Overclocking AMD processors is quite different than Intel right now because AMD processors have an Integrated Memory Controller. That means when you raise the processors speed, you also have to decrease your rams speed by the appropriate ratio to make sure ti doesn't get clocked too high. Example

You are at 200MHZ FSB x 11 Multiplier to reach 2200 MHZ or 2.2ghz (theoretical numbers, I'm not sure what phenoms are at)

You want to increase your processor speed, and you can do this by 1 of 2 ways. You can increase the multiplier or you can increase the FSB. Now the multiplier is locked at a maximum but can be reduced unless you have a Black Edition processor, in which the multiplier can be raised and you can get an overclock that way without having to raise your FSB directly.

But since you dont have a black edition you are gonna have to raise your FSB. So you raise it to 220MHZ x 11 to get 2420MHZ or 2.4 ghz

Your rams speed is gonna be raised by 20 MHZ. Say you are running DDR-2 800MHZ, since its DDR2 its double pumped so its actually 400MHZ. You raise speed to 420MHZ, your ram goes up to 840MHZ Double pumped. Now thats a minor overclock so that should be fine. But say you get to 900+ MHZ and your ram isnt rated for that, you're gonna have to do one of 2 things, lower your rams ratio to FSB, or increase your voltage. When you increase voltage you increase heat.

These are just theoretical speeds as I'm not sure what your processor really is running but there are so many different factors.

Don't let that thinks-he-knows-it-all tell you any different without first backing it up with facts. There are plenty of people out there way more knowledgeable than me in overclocking but he's not one.

Kinda odd.. because i speed up the processor with 208x11= around 2277 but the memory get up to 414.. which still stable, what makes this strange is that memory takes twice the clock.