Star Wars Galaxies

Originally posted by MickeyMann

   Its seems that most are looking forward to the next SW MMO.  Anyone want to wager the SOE  will produce Pre CU servers if a new SW MMO is announced?

I'd be content if Earthside works out, though a new SW thats completely out of the popular story loop, distant past or distant future, where the devs can have complete creative control over the content while still existing in the same general SW universe (because the name sells, if nothing else, even if its a craptastic game heh), would be pleasant.

Here's a possibility and yeah, I know who these links goes to, so you can take it or leave it as you may.

"The latest rumor is that there is a Star Wars MMO coming in 2009, however, neither BioWare nor SOE is working on it."

http://www.slashgear.com/rumor-new-star-wars-mmo-wont-be-developed-by-bioware-0810145.php

"Rumour has it that a new Star Wars MMO is in development at LucasArts, and is scheduled to launch alongside the live-action Star Wars TV series towards the end of 2009. The MMO's plot will supposedly follow the same storylines as the TV series. "

http://www.totalvideogames.com/news/LucasArts_Developing_Star_Wars_MMO_12739_0_0.htm

" But video game insider (or rumor-mongering charlatan?) Surfer Girl claims that there is an upcoming Star Wars MMO coming in 2009 that's "not being developed by BioWare or Sony Online Entertainment." She says the new MMO is being timed to debut, and will actually tie into, the live-action Star Wars television series planned for next year."

http://www.joystiq.com/2008/02/07/rumor-bioware-not-involved-with-star-wars-mmo/

Originally posted by randomt

Gotta say, OP's post reads like your typical invented conspiracy theory hoax.

 

As for the sith.. say, I have wondered.. watching the movies a few weeks ago, I noticed one clear thing that Yoga said about the Sith and the dark side once or twice:  There are only ever 2, a master and an apprentice.

So all stories that include many sith and misc dark side related jedi-like types are fully anti-lore, including the bioware game and followup  and past (and possibly future) starwars mmo content, and from the looks of things the cartoons?

 

- Yoda doesn't actually say "There are only ever 2, a master and an apprentice".; what he says is, 'Always two there are'. This saying is ambiguous since it can mean, as you imply, 'There are only ever two Sith in the whole galaxy' but it can equally mean 'There are many more than two Sith in the galaxy but they always travel oin pairs'.

- Previous Bioware games have been set in a period long before the SWG period and, apparently in this 'Knights of the Old Republic' timeline, the Sith were far more numerous and 'the rule of two' (whatever it is) did not apply.

- It seems that even within the SWG canon, there can be as many Sith as George Lucas, Lucas Arts and a whole set of developers, content managers and writers want. We always thought there were just two Sith in the SWG universe - The Emperor and Vader but now it turns out that Vader himself has an apprentice which would seem to mean that there are three Sith in the universe.

Originally posted by hubertgrove

 

Originally posted by randomt

Gotta say, OP's post reads like your typical invented conspiracy theory hoax.

 

As for the sith.. say, I have wondered.. watching the movies a few weeks ago, I noticed one clear thing that Yoga said about the Sith and the dark side once or twice:  There are only ever 2, a master and an apprentice.

So all stories that include many sith and misc dark side related jedi-like types are fully anti-lore, including the bioware game and followup  and past (and possibly future) starwars mmo content, and from the looks of things the cartoons?

 

May I comment on some issues raised in your post:

 

- Yoda doesn't actually say "There are only ever 2, a master and an apprentice".; what he says is, 'Always two there are'. This saying is ambiguous since it can mean, as you imply, 'There are only ever two Sith in the whole galaxy' but it can equally mean 'There are many more than two Sith in the galaxy but they always travel oin pairs'.

- Previous Bioware games have been set in a period long before the SWG period and, apparently in this 'Knights of the Old Republic' timeline, the Sith were far more numerous and 'the rule of two' (whatever it is) did not apply.

- It seems that even within the SWG canon, there can be as many Sith as George Lucas, Lucas Arts and a whole set of developers, content managers and writers want. We always thought there were just two Sith in the SWG universe - The Emperor and Vader but now it turns out that Vader himself has an apprentice which would seem to mean that there are three Sith in the universe.

Well they explained the rule of two in   ...  Darth Bane : The Rule Of Two, An Old Republic novel. So now we know, there can only be two, no more, no less. So really they changed the rules just enough to make a new game.

Originally posted by tillamook

Originally posted by hubertgrove

 

Originally posted by randomt

Gotta say, OP's post reads like your typical invented conspiracy theory hoax.

 

As for the sith.. say, I have wondered.. watching the movies a few weeks ago, I noticed one clear thing that Yoga said about the Sith and the dark side once or twice:  There are only ever 2, a master and an apprentice.

So all stories that include many sith and misc dark side related jedi-like types are fully anti-lore, including the bioware game and followup  and past (and possibly future) starwars mmo content, and from the looks of things the cartoons?

 

May I comment on some issues raised in your post:

 

- Yoda doesn't actually say "There are only ever 2, a master and an apprentice".; what he says is, 'Always two there are'. This saying is ambiguous since it can mean, as you imply, 'There are only ever two Sith in the whole galaxy' but it can equally mean 'There are many more than two Sith in the galaxy but they always travel oin pairs'.

- Previous Bioware games have been set in a period long before the SWG period and, apparently in this 'Knights of the Old Republic' timeline, the Sith were far more numerous and 'the rule of two' (whatever it is) did not apply.

- It seems that even within the SWG canon, there can be as many Sith as George Lucas, Lucas Arts and a whole set of developers, content managers and writers want. We always thought there were just two Sith in the SWG universe - The Emperor and Vader but now it turns out that Vader himself has an apprentice which would seem to mean that there are three Sith in the universe.

Well they explained the rule of two in   ...  Darth Bane : The Rule Of Two, An Old Republic novel. So now we know, there can only be two, no more, no less. So really they changed the rules just enough to make a new game.

and ol' gl has stated the books are not cannon.

Originally posted by forthelulz

Originally posted by tillamook

Originally posted by hubertgrove

 

Originally posted by randomt

Gotta say, OP's post reads like your typical invented conspiracy theory hoax.

 

As for the sith.. say, I have wondered.. watching the movies a few weeks ago, I noticed one clear thing that Yoga said about the Sith and the dark side once or twice:  There are only ever 2, a master and an apprentice.

So all stories that include many sith and misc dark side related jedi-like types are fully anti-lore, including the bioware game and followup  and past (and possibly future) starwars mmo content, and from the looks of things the cartoons?

 

May I comment on some issues raised in your post:

 

- Yoda doesn't actually say "There are only ever 2, a master and an apprentice".; what he says is, 'Always two there are'. This saying is ambiguous since it can mean, as you imply, 'There are only ever two Sith in the whole galaxy' but it can equally mean 'There are many more than two Sith in the galaxy but they always travel oin pairs'.

- Previous Bioware games have been set in a period long before the SWG period and, apparently in this 'Knights of the Old Republic' timeline, the Sith were far more numerous and 'the rule of two' (whatever it is) did not apply.

- It seems that even within the SWG canon, there can be as many Sith as George Lucas, Lucas Arts and a whole set of developers, content managers and writers want. We always thought there were just two Sith in the SWG universe - The Emperor and Vader but now it turns out that Vader himself has an apprentice which would seem to mean that there are three Sith in the universe.

Well they explained the rule of two in   ...  Darth Bane : The Rule Of Two, An Old Republic novel. So now we know, there can only be two, no more, no less. So really they changed the rules just enough to make a new game.

and ol' gl has stated the books are not cannon.

But the games are? lol

Originally posted by tillamook

Originally posted by hubertgrove

 

Originally posted by randomt

Gotta say, OP's post reads like your typical invented conspiracy theory hoax.

 

As for the sith.. say, I have wondered.. watching the movies a few weeks ago, I noticed one clear thing that Yoga said about the Sith and the dark side once or twice:  There are only ever 2, a master and an apprentice.

So all stories that include many sith and misc dark side related jedi-like types are fully anti-lore, including the bioware game and followup  and past (and possibly future) starwars mmo content, and from the looks of things the cartoons?

 

May I comment on some issues raised in your post:

 

- Yoda doesn't actually say "There are only ever 2, a master and an apprentice".; what he says is, 'Always two there are'. This saying is ambiguous since it can mean, as you imply, 'There are only ever two Sith in the whole galaxy' but it can equally mean 'There are many more than two Sith in the galaxy but they always travel oin pairs'.

- Previous Bioware games have been set in a period long before the SWG period and, apparently in this 'Knights of the Old Republic' timeline, the Sith were far more numerous and 'the rule of two' (whatever it is) did not apply.

- It seems that even within the SWG canon, there can be as many Sith as George Lucas, Lucas Arts and a whole set of developers, content managers and writers want. We always thought there were just two Sith in the SWG universe - The Emperor and Vader but now it turns out that Vader himself has an apprentice which would seem to mean that there are three Sith in the universe.

Well they explained the rule of two in   ...  Darth Bane : The Rule Of Two, An Old Republic novel. So now we know, there can only be two, no more, no less. So really they changed the rules just enough to make a new game.

What you say is technically true - however, George Lucas himself has been quoted as saying very firmly that the novels 'are not canon, they're context'. By which, I take it he means, that if they're not in the movies then they're just speculation. These books are certainly not the gospel so if Lucas or LA wants to change the SW world then they just will, whatever some hack writer they employed at 5c a word might have said five or ten yars ago. In such cases, they usually decide to implement whatever back story currently meets their game/film/movie needs.

The real question we all should be asking ourselves is, why would they be keeping it a secret if Bioware was developing a Starwars MMO.  This would be enormous.  I can speculate that they want to wait till the game is ready and announce it a few months before its released, but I don't know.  Bioware = well made games.  I used to think Bethesda was good after producing oblivion and bought a game thinking it would be awesome since they made it. short story, it wasn't. very buggy. i've read about others that was bad too.  Then you have an IP like Starwars. combined with the downfall and mishandling of swg at sony.

When it hits (if it hits) its gonna blow up the interweb.