Vanguard: Saga of Heroes

So, I have a station pass and with it I mostly play EQ2, POTBS, and VG. I am finding as time goes on and VG gets more stable with more fixes, additions, etc that I am enjoying it more than the other two.  What do you think?

FYI...I am running Vista on both desk top and lap top. Both are pretty beefy (Got a new XPS 1730 which I love) but I have no problems at all running any MMOs.

Also, it seems that I am finding more and more folks to group up with at all levels on VG while I am finding less on EQ2.

I find poking at my eyeballs with a cattleprod to be more entertaining then EQII, but hey, thats me.

Originally posted by Torak

I find poking at my eyeballs with a cattleprod to be more entertaining then EQII, but hey, thats me.

 

True. Saying VG is better than EQ2 isn't a glowing endorsement.

Originally posted by dougmysticey

FYI...I am running Vista on both desk top and lap top. Both are pretty beefy (Got a new XPS 1730 which I love) but I have no problems at all running any MMOs.

Also, it seems that I am finding more and more folks to group up with at all levels on VG while I am finding less on EQ2.

If you manage to sneak SP1 off of WU.. Vista definitely has no problems running MMO's... but anyway.

If you are having issues finding groups in EQ2.. as opposed to VG.

Then.. you are either not in a guild or not in an active guild.  Just to get that out of the way (consider it a disclaimer statement).

I like VG better than EQ2 but only becase the classes are more interesting to me.  EQ2 most of the classes just feel very gutted.. at least to me.

That said I stopped paying for station access and am only playing potbs atm.

I'll whole-heartedly agree! I just canceled my Station Access too, which I had VG, EQ2, SWG and Planetside on. VG is the only one I play, and of the others, I'd rather play the crappiest F2P Korean grinder for the rest of my life than to play EQ2. I tried and tried to find anything good about EQ2 but, for my preferences, it's the worst game, MMO or otherwise, I've ever purchased, and I just can't justify playing for Station Access for games I'm not playing.

VG has better combat and a better open world.

Eq2 has WAY more content, lore, music, and immersiveness.

Both have shitty performance, EQ2 performance is overrated while VG is underrated.

I'd have to go with EQ2 .

EQ2 and Vanguard are polar opposites in games.  Vanguard has a very strong core in game mechanics such as crafting, combat and classes but is terribly unfinished.  EQ2 is very finished and polished but its corse systems of combat and crafting are awful and its classes are bad.

EQ2

Strengths

1.  Polish and Finish

2.  Raids

3.  The community

Weaknesses

1.  Combat  The combat mechanics are awful and awkward.  It  plays more like a free Asian MMO than a big budget MMO.

2.  Crafting  The crafting system is awful. Like EQ2's combat its an awkward version of whack a mole where choices and decisions have little effect.

3.  Fun The game is lacking in fun.

4.  The game is to easy.

5.  Classes the game really only has 4 classes.  All archetypes are alike and can substituted in and out.  Classes lack diversity and depth.

Vanguard

Weaknesses

1. The game is still terribly unfinished.  Almost every area and dungeon is incomplete and lacking.

2.  System requirements are high.

3.  Lack of tutorials and direction for new players.

4.  New players are isolated and segregated by 14 different starting areas leaving many new players with the feeling they are all alone when the servers are actually pretty full post 20 when people start grouping.

5.  The game is to easy, has super fast leveling and lacks challenge.  Players are greatly overpowered compared to the mobs they fight.

6.  Performance.

7.  SOE  Since SOE took over last May there have been a total of 3 patches.  Development has essentially stopped as they they have trimmed the staff to a skeleton crew.  They have so far only completed projects started by Sigil last April.  The amount of content SOE has added to the game in almost a year is less than what SIgil would normally add in a week or that Turbine will add in their monthly update to LOTR.

Strengths

1.  Classes  Vanguard classes are amazing.  Diverse fun and full of depth.

2.   Combat  Hands down the best combat system of any MMO on the market.  Sigil may have spent to much time tweaking combat, classes and crafting at the expense of everything else but they did do an amazing job.

3.  Crafting  The best crafting system on the market.  The core mechan ics of making an item is challenging and fun.  That being said crafting is not fully fleshed out or developed in vanguard.  Player cities are not yet in the game and so much more could be done in terms of recipes and expanding craftings impact on the world.

4.  The world   Its huge and fun with great potential but like most things in vanguard not finished.

5.  Fun  For all its flaws Vanguard is truly a fun game to play.

6.  APW The first raid zone was surprisingly very well done.  It was rushed out a bit early but they did do a very good job.

7.  The community. Like EQ2's one of the better, nicer and more mature communities that one will see in a MMO.

It really depends what you are lookingf for and how you value MMO.  If you want flash over substance take EQ2.  If you want a finished bug free mediocre game take eq2.  If you want  a very good poor game take Vanguard.  If you like diverse fun classes and good more in depth combat take vanguard.  If your a crafter take vanguard with the reservation that crafting while good is limited and unfinished.  Vanguard has more potential and at its core is a much better game than EQ2 but SOE appears to have no interest in funding and developing Vanguard.  But the bottomline is there is no right or wrong answer.  Play the game that fits your playstyle.   If one can get past the Vanguard's flaws it is truly an amazing game despite SOE's presence.

Hey Zippy could you list in detail the differences between combat in eq2 and vg? Cause Im not seeing that much difference.

Originally posted by Torak

I find poking at my eyeballs with a cattleprod to be more entertaining then EQII, but hey, thats me.

 

Sorry to tell you this but Fallen Earth will come to nothing.