Originally posted by ChicagoCub

 

Originally posted by Netzoko

I support the AoC devs 100% by stepping up to the plate and making an MMORPG will modern day graphics, but a very small percentage of users have the system necessary to run something like this.

The game looks awesome one so many levels, but I honestly think that it won't get tons of success simply because people won't be able to run it.

Thoughts?

 

 

Excellent point.

 

Both LOTRO and Vanguard suffer from this problem already.  I think if the dev's assume everyone can run Oblivion without issue they may have a bit of trouble relating to the average gamer.  Not a good start.

Times move on though, Age of Conan was pretty much developed with Shader Model 2.0 in mind from the get go.

New game coming out Chronicles of Spellborn = shadel model 3.0 / maybe even The Agency looks like it will be Shader Model 3.0 and also Aion. LOTRO = pixel shader model 1.4 and Guild Wars nearly 3 yrs ago pixel shadel model 1.0.

They didn't  assume - they mean't to develop the game like this. Just like with A.O. pushing the boundaries for the time it was made.

I'm pretty confident warhammer and stargate worlds will have the same graphics card requirement as Age of Conan.

128mb graphics card with pixel shader model 2.0  will run the game fine at a low setting -scale it how you want.

PS version 2 and above: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pixel_shader

EDIT**** Running the game at high resolutions will decrease the FPS, also dependant on other PC hardware in your system.

Well, if we can take the developer's word for it, then of course the average computer can run Conan.   The game was built with scalability in mind.  We can't really speculate either way with the game not even released, but keep in mind that its in the Dev's best interest to make the game accessible to as many "Mature" gamers as possible so I hope we'll see a scalable game.

I've never witnesses 128megs of anything run  fine, This will truly be groundbreaking technology if I can use 128 meg  card to run AoC.

The majority of you need to take a damn chill pill. Computer's aren't that expensive if you build them yourselves (It's actually pretty dang easy). My $600 computer I built from the ground up runs Cod4 on max settings at 60(full load)-90fps(idle) at all times. It runs planetside on maximum settings at 132(full load)-190fps( idle) all times. My computer ALSO runs Crysis on a setting between medium and high at around 40fps at all times, it never really goes below 40 or above 48.

People are under the odd impression that each time you "rebuild" a computer you have to buy EVERYTHING new. Hell, I re-used the same monitor for 5years over 2 upgrades and 1 rebuild. I just recently got a new LCD 19'' for my birthday and it's smoke'n :)!

If any of you need quick and easy cheap builds that will run AoC on max settings just let me know (and no, you don't need an 8800 ANYTHING to run AoC on max settings. This is due to their graphics engine being tuned so well. In fact, you don't need 8800's for crap yet because they are overkill.)

I'd also like to note that everyone that I've talked to in the graphics industry laugh every time I mention Dx10. It really has no viable performance increasing attributes about it other than increased shadow support. Most games aren't even using any more advanced shading that DX10 has the "possibility" to provide. You honestly don't need vista for another 2years.

On the vista note: Vista is NOT as bad as everyone says (I still don't use it however). The reason being is that if you know what your doing you can easily disable the administration and security controls that mess up everything. After you do all that (I found a guide in under 10minutes using google) it's JUST like xp with dx10 and a nicer GUI .

So please, stop complaining about how "expensive" computers are when you deserve to pay more buying from a big company whom charge you 60% more what the computer costs (basically your just paying for them to stick their company logo on your computer) because they stick you with warranty "deals" that need to be used because of THEIR faulty hardware. Bestbuy is also a major "Big Name" that charges an arm and a leg for something that is sub-par comparative to self-build efficiency. Plus, I'm a tad peeved at Bestbuy atm for 3 high end electronics that I purchased from them going bad in under a month .

-poopy

Originally posted by Balkin31

 

Originally posted by Shifty360

 

Originally posted by Balkin31

 

Originally posted by Netzoko

I support the AoC devs 100% by stepping up to the plate and making an MMORPG will modern day graphics, but a very small percentage of users have the system necessary to run something like this.

The game looks awesome one so many levels, but I honestly think that it won't get tons of success simply because people won't be able to run it.

Thoughts?

 

 

If any game is in jeopardy of failing due to Graphics then its the WOW wanna be War..

Word is Chetah 2 update has increased FPS meaning more computers will be able to play it on medium to high....

Besides what kinda game player are you if your computer cannot run Oblvion level graphics?

 

 

Well, I think I understood 60% of what your said.

In response to what I understood of the first line, WAR is not a WoW wannabe nor clone (full 360 from what you posted would be correct). 

Also, I am very interested to hear why you believe the game would fail due to graphics.

 

In response to your second batch of text, I'm sorry but I have no idea what you said.

 

In response to your last line of text, "What kind of game player are you if your computer cannot run Oblivion level graphics?" - Hmmm a gamer who doesn't have the money nor desire to improve thier machine beyond what they need to play a game they enjoy.

 

Just as I thought...if you dont know what Cheetah 2 is then you truely have no idea what your talking about when it comes to AOC graphics...Case closed there.

I was not talking about AoC Graphics..... Case Closed.....

And sorry but you also lose crediblility when you say your a PC gamer who cannot afford a decent PC to play current PC games.. Case closed here also!

I can afford a decent computer, and it is capable of running Oblivion + the Qarl Mod's on highest settings..... and for the record, try not to be so narrowsighted as to say players without high end machines are uncredible. It tends to make yourself sound less believable.

Enough of the case closed.....

As for my comparison of War to WoW it is no strech at all if you had stayed on topic, the graphics in both are very similar, maybe not the same but close enough, with War coming out on the losing end from what I have seen posted on the War website.

Staying on topic? My topic was what you said about WAR, and players without machines capable of running games with Oblivion level graphics. WAR and WoW' graphical engines are entirely different. The only similarities are in the art styles, which are very similar because WoW is a poor ripoff of Warhammer Fantasy Lore.

It is rather pointless to bypass my entire arguement over WAR and graphical capability of computers, simply because I do not know what Cheetah 2 is.

Go tell the car salesman he knows nothing about selling cars, for he knows nothing of selling tires.

With economies around the globe tanking and the best view is it will be 3 or 4 years before we see a turn around in the economy, I don't see many people shelling out cash for machines to run this game.  Why spend $2,500+ on a machine to run AoC when any $500 machine on the market will be able to play WoW or many of the other new MMOGs coming down the pipe?  Where you might see the bigger AoC crowd is on the XBox 360 since they can play AoC on a $400 machine.    I don't see the PC version of this game doing very well for the obvious reasons posted by many in this thread.

It would ruin the game if they went and said it ONLY supported High resolution details, but thankfully they're clever enough to not do so.. Do no, I'd say I'm pretty sure most people will be able to play this game, not all as beautiful, but for some, the looks aint all, especially not for me. Gameplay > Looks :)

 The grafix will keep away WoW kids thats cant afford to upgrade their pc's  and herd them to WAR and the more mature players willl play conan

It all depends on what each one individually perceives as an acceptable level of graphics quality and how far is willing to go so as to achieve it. We are talking about adults here, in an mature targeted MMO, by the way.

If people find the graphics unacceptable, they will have the choice to remain to their current MMO and continue enjoying it. The difference with the advent of the new crop of MMOs will be the choice given, choice that is currently not present.

If this game fails it won't be due to the graphics. It will be due to the core gameplay not being as fun as it should have been in theory. No game with a solid gameplay died due to a bloated graphics engine. If that was the case, SWG (the early days) would not be as loved as it is, even today.

Originally posted by Netzoko

I support the AoC devs 100% by stepping up to the plate and making an MMORPG will modern day graphics, but a very small percentage of users have the system necessary to run something like this.

The game looks awesome one so many levels, but I honestly think that it won't get tons of success simply because people won't be able to run it.

Thoughts?

 

Agreed.

But recently my worries were dispelled when i seen new AOC presentation video.

Gaute showed low quality gameplay, that really looked like it could run on everyones PC , and he said that even 4 year old rigs ( taken that 4 years ago they were decent ) could run this game.

Originally posted by Netzoko

The game looks awesome one so many levels, but I honestly think that it won't get tons of success simply because people won't be able to run it.

Thoughts?

1) The lack of real content

2) The community

Originally posted by Lobotomist

 

Originally posted by Netzoko

I support the AoC devs 100% by stepping up to the plate and making an MMORPG will modern day graphics, but a very small percentage of users have the system necessary to run something like this.

The game looks awesome one so many levels, but I honestly think that it won't get tons of success simply because people won't be able to run it.

Thoughts?

 

 

Agreed.

But recently my worries were dispelled when i seen new AOC presentation video.

Gaute showed low quality gameplay, that really looked like it could run on everyones PC , and he said that even 4 year old rigs ( taken that 4 years ago they were decent ) could run this game.

Could you link to that movie? haven't seen the game on low details yet :) Thank you.

Originally posted by Datcyde

 The grafix will keep away WoW kids thats cant afford to upgrade their pc's  and herd them to WAR and the more mature players willl play conan

I couldn't disagree with you more.  The higher the rating, M or Adult Only, the more you can GUARANTEE young teens will seek out and play the game.  GTA is all the proof you need of this.  AoC will be dominated by young teens for 2 reasons, breasts and gore.  You can bet on it because Funcom is going to laugh all the way to the bank about it while the "mature fans" and bitching because it is BNet Kiddie Ville Gone Wild like never seen before in gaming.

Originally posted by Shannia

 

Originally posted by Datcyde

 The grafix will keep away WoW kids thats cant afford to upgrade their pc's  and herd them to WAR and the more mature players willl play conan

 

I couldn't disagree with you more.  The higher the rating, M or Adult Only, the more you can GUARANTEE young teens will seek out and play the game.  GTA is all the proof you need of this.  AoC will be dominated by young teens for 2 reasons, breasts and gore.  You can bet on it because Funcom is going to laugh all the way to the bank about it while the "mature fans" and bitching because it is BNet Kiddie Ville Gone Wild like never seen before in gaming.

 

 

gonna fail for alot more reasons than just that, but yea

I believe the video is the one taken from the Game Developers Conference that occured last week from the 22nd to the 24th at the Moscone Center at San Francisco. It is about 20-25 mins long too, shows some character design, starting area, a level 80 instance with a small group, mounts and mounted combat, and craft hall/clan keep construction. I found it either on this site or tentonhammer.com under recent news entries.

It shows quite a lot and he *does* state, specifically, that the game should run with a computer that was considered "top of the line" four years ago. I can only cross my fingers that it is true and that I won't have to run at the lowest graphical settings, at the very least, because it looks fantastic, IMHO.

Your avatar sucks.

I just read all 4 pages of people talking about their own hardware.  No one has even considered this game failing due to their hardware.  I'm sure the majority of computers can handle this game.  It might not be on the highest setting available, but it should handle it.

One of the points where most MMO's fail is server-side where their own hardware isn't up to the task of handling thousands of different connections.  How many of you will stay on a server if there's constant lag?  No one?  Thought so.

One of the other points where most MMO's fail is where the staff is unable to generate new and interesting gameplay in a timely manner.  That and when customer support is non-existent.  How many of you have had to deal with SoE?  How'd it turn out? 

Originally posted by altairzq

Your avatar sucks.

Seriously, though, I can see how you pad your post count, now...

Originally posted by Shannia

 

Originally posted by Datcyde

 The grafix will keep away WoW kids thats cant afford to upgrade their pc's  and herd them to WAR and the more mature players willl play conan

 

I couldn't disagree with you more.  The higher the rating, M or Adult Only, the more you can GUARANTEE young teens will seek out and play the game.  GTA is all the proof you need of this.  AoC will be dominated by young teens for 2 reasons, breasts and gore.  You can bet on it because Funcom is going to laugh all the way to the bank about it while the "mature fans" and bitching because it is BNet Kiddie Ville Gone Wild like never seen before in gaming.

You really sure the worst retards are teens ? I doubt it, because gaming experience teached me something different.

Due to job i mainly play in the late afternoon. I do most of my dungeons with teens and they are mature without any exception. I do know they are teens because they chat about school and how mom is not paying sub if the underachieve in school. They are serious gamers and you can hunt down any named with them easily ;)

The retards are a different story. There is no guaranty in any game, but usually communities do self regulate. Well, maybe not in WoW but in other games the "bad" players vanish. They are usually not only ididots with foul language but also loot whores and ninja looters. Nobody teams with them. The funny thing is, the teens are the first who stop teaming with them ;)