General Discussion

I see dozens of threads in all the different forums here at mmorpg.com about the lack of good games. I see "why are there not any good games anymore?", "What has happened to the games?", "This is all WoW's fault", "This is SOE fault". Over and over I see these types of posts. So many write about how they are waiting for that perfect game to remove all the hurt and boredom of the current list of crappy MMO's. Everyone wants a game like that special one they use to play.

I got news for you there are a lot of great games out there. The lack of passion for current mmos here by so many is your fault not the games. What has really happened is the love affair for mmos is stale for many. This has very little to do with the games themselves but with the fact they simply are not a new experience for you anymore. Remember at about 10 years old mmos are a relatively new form of entertainment. Think about it. Think back to the games you really loved. Was it the game, or was it the fact the whole experience of mmos was new and exciting for you? I believe for most it was the latter.

For me it was pre-nge SWG. I played other mmos before but it was SWG that put it all together for me and kept me up all night playing. The game was good but it was not great however it was the freshness of that sandbox experience that grabbed me and did not let go until NGE. As an older gamers I realize while there will still be great mmos coming out I will never have that same passion I did back then, no matter how good the game will be. This feeling is a bit depressing but that is really how life is. Your first great experience is what we all strive to relive but that rarely ever happens. Our first loves years latter seem prettier and better then they were. Time has that effect on us. If you really think about it, was that first great mmo really that great or was it the fact you got really hooked for the first time?

I do not present this idea to depress anyone but to point out there are indeed great games out there and you do not need to wait for some magic mystery game that will make it all ok again. That will never happen. My advice is embrace the current games but realize you are older and more experienced so how you react to the game will be different. I may never get the same feeling I had from that first kiss many years ago but the sex sure is better now then back then because I am more epxerienced. Use your exeperience over the years in mmos to explore them for what they are not what you remember them to be. Like the old song from the 60s "Love the one you're  with"

It's both really.

Originally posted by altairzq

It's both really.

You are right it is a little of both but I was trying to make a specific point that many seem not to realize. Some many of the games we remember that were so great, if you really think about it were not perfect games. It was our experiences that drove that feeling more then the game itself.

Maybe its true that some of what we remember so fondly is due to it being our first "kiss", but not entirely. In my own case, my first game was Lineage 1, and while there were some good parts, the game pissed me off more than entralled me, which is why I left after 6 months to play DAOC. 

Now that game grabbed me good.  Sure, there were some down times, I left it for a short while to play Shadowbane), but I came back and ended up playing it the most out of any games (2.5 yrs)

Since then I've played lots of other games, and fun in many of them, (even WOW) but none of them ever provided the PVP experience that DAOC did.

And that's the problem I think, there were certain features about the old games that modern games just don't contain because developers (correctly in most cases) feel they don't appeal to the mass market gamer.

Sandbox type environments, solid PVP systems with real risk/reward/suffering, interesting crafting (if such a thing is really possible <grin>). vast, non-instance worlds and freedom to develop your character with the skills that you want, and not those decided by a developer in a pre-defined role.

Sure, I've had fun with games the past few years, but I still yearn for a game today that will bring back some of the features that I loved and lost in earlier games.   They currently don't exist and I can only hope one of the new games will rekindle the magic.

Originally posted by eccoton

Originally posted by altairzq

It's both really.

You are right it is a little of both but I was trying to make a specific point that many seem not to realize. Some many of the games we remember that were so great, if you really think about it were not perfect games. It was our experiences that drove that feeling more then the game itself.

Yes it's true, I remember how I hated in EQ when groups just sat on a spot waiting for the puller and killed sutff for hours and hoursm that could be seen as a game flaw, or maybe it was the players. You could see that in any level. But still, old classic EQ beats any game in any feature, in the sense that EQ was really a virtual fantasy world to live in, you suffered a lot there and where dependand on others, and others where dependand on you, while  MMOGS now are just Single Player Games With Mates.

Originally posted by Kyleran

Maybe its true that some of what we remember so fondly is due to it being our first "kiss", but not entirely. In my own case, my first game was Lineage 1, and while there were some good parts, the game pissed me off more than entralled me, which is why I left after 6 months to play DAOC. 

Now that game grabbed me good.  Sure, there were some down times, I left it for a short while to play Shadowbane), but I came back and ended up playing it the most out of any games (2.5 yrs)

Since then I've played lots of other games, and fun in many of them, (even WOW) but none of them ever provided the PVP experience that DAOC did.

And that's the problem I think, there were certain features about the old games that modern games just don't contain because developers (correctly in most cases) feel they don't appeal to the mass market gamer.

Sandbox type environments, solid PVP systems with real risk/reward/suffering, interesting crafting (if such a thing is really possible <grin>). vast, non-instance worlds and freedom to develop your character with the skills that you want, and not those decided by a developer in a pre-defined role.

Sure, I've had fun with games the past few years, but I still yearn for a game today that will bring back some of the features that I loved and lost in earlier games.   They currently don't exist and I can only hope one of the new games will rekindle the magic.

 

Lineage 1 may have been your first game but your first kiss was DaoC. Similar to what I said I played other mmos before pre-nge SWG but that was the first kiss fpr me.

Originally posted by eccoton

Originally posted by Kyleran

Maybe its true that some of what we remember so fondly is due to it being our first "kiss", but not entirely. In my own case, my first game was Lineage 1, and while there were some good parts, the game pissed me off more than entralled me, which is why I left after 6 months to play DAOC. 

Now that game grabbed me good.  Sure, there were some down times, I left it for a short while to play Shadowbane), but I came back and ended up playing it the most out of any games (2.5 yrs)

Since then I've played lots of other games, and fun in many of them, (even WOW) but none of them ever provided the PVP experience that DAOC did.

And that's the problem I think, there were certain features about the old games that modern games just don't contain because developers (correctly in most cases) feel they don't appeal to the mass market gamer.

Sandbox type environments, solid PVP systems with real risk/reward/suffering, interesting crafting (if such a thing is really possible <grin>). vast, non-instance worlds and freedom to develop your character with the skills that you want, and not those decided by a developer in a pre-defined role.

Sure, I've had fun with games the past few years, but I still yearn for a game today that will bring back some of the features that I loved and lost in earlier games.   They currently don't exist and I can only hope one of the new games will rekindle the magic.

 

Lineage 1 may have been your first game but your first kiss was DaoC. Similar to what I said I played other mmos before pre-nge SWG but that was the first kiss fpr me.

So the game you like is your first kiss and then doesn't count? Cute.

Originally posted by altairzq

Originally posted by eccoton

Originally posted by Kyleran

Maybe its true that some of what we remember so fondly is due to it being our first "kiss", but not entirely. In my own case, my first game was Lineage 1, and while there were some good parts, the game pissed me off more than entralled me, which is why I left after 6 months to play DAOC. 

Now that game grabbed me good.  Sure, there were some down times, I left it for a short while to play Shadowbane), but I came back and ended up playing it the most out of any games (2.5 yrs)

Since then I've played lots of other games, and fun in many of them, (even WOW) but none of them ever provided the PVP experience that DAOC did.

And that's the problem I think, there were certain features about the old games that modern games just don't contain because developers (correctly in most cases) feel they don't appeal to the mass market gamer.

Sandbox type environments, solid PVP systems with real risk/reward/suffering, interesting crafting (if such a thing is really possible <grin>). vast, non-instance worlds and freedom to develop your character with the skills that you want, and not those decided by a developer in a pre-defined role.

Sure, I've had fun with games the past few years, but I still yearn for a game today that will bring back some of the features that I loved and lost in earlier games.   They currently don't exist and I can only hope one of the new games will rekindle the magic.

 

Lineage 1 may have been your first game but your first kiss was DaoC. Similar to what I said I played other mmos before pre-nge SWG but that was the first kiss fpr me.

So the game you like is your first kiss and then doesn't count? Cute.

I was just say that not always the first game is the one that fuels that passion. Just using a silly metaphor of the idea of a kiss for fun this is not deep thoughts with Ecco just an observation.