i know this subject is long over used but dammit im putting my two cents in.

Sick of all these bashers that obviously never researched MMOs saying VG is dead or it will last for a couple years...BS

IMHO VG will become another EQ2 type...first off we all know that EQ is still running hard but when that slips they are all either going to EQ2 or VG. Flamers keep saying "like zomg when AoC comes out and WAR, like your vg will be pwned"

ummm...no. U flamers have it all wrong VG is for hardcore  PvE, ya maybe some of us including myself will go try out AoC and WAR for a month but its not denting our population at all.

also people are saying no one is re subbing or no NEW players are comming...well for the past 5-6 days i see people in continent chat asking for some advice beause they are NEW.

And in case u all havent learned from the past...EQ2 started out exactly like this or in my experience...worse...if anyone will dig up "The dead horse" and revive its ass its SoE

OK. Stop. Breathe. Count to 10. Don't drink any more Red Bull today.

Yes VG will be a good game in the future. When everyone's rig catches up to what VG demands then there will be Alot more people in the game. SoE knows this. That is why they bought it.

Originally posted by Hrica

OK. Stop. Breathe. Count to 10. Don't drink any more Red Bull today.

Yes VG will be a good game in the future. When everyone's rig catches up to what VG demands then there will be Alot more people in the game. SoE knows this. That is why they bought it.

That's probably one reason why VG is seeing some growth right now, people are buying computers that are more capable of running it well. (I'm one of those, will be upgraded early next month).

Of course, the other benefit VG has right now is many folks are bored with their current MMO (frequently WOW) and there is no where else to turn atm, since all of the other games are delayed until least the end of May and beyond.

Well, you are wrong.. and Vanguard is about as hardcore as WoW... But good troll, you really try to start a fight. Pity you are number 5.000 in the long line of Vanguard fans that give a mediocre game top grades, pretending its something special... its real old by now.

Originally posted by Novality

 

ummm...no. U flamers have it all wrong VG is for hardcore  PvE......

I think you are confusing a hardcore game with an online world for players who like to reminisce while they mindlessly trash everything in sight.

Sadly, the last of my friends have cancelled their subs. I suppose I won't be able to raise the BS flag on the worker bees anymore. SOE always finds a way to steal my fun!

Originally posted by Harafnir

Well, you are wrong.. and Vanguard is about as hardcore as WoW... But good troll, you really try to start a fight. Pity you are number 5.000 in the long line of Vanguard fans that give a mediocre game top grades, pretending its something special... its real old by now.

Nice troll, you really know how to start a fight. Pity that you are number 5001 in the long line of Vanguard bashers that trolls a good game. Pretending your opinion is the one and only... it's getting tiresome and old.

Well, no matter what they do to this game I will never play it again.  The game was an unfinished piece of rubbish that couldn't and STILL can't run with the highest video card out on the market today.  I don't care if they re-did the whole game with an NGE or whatever, I still will NEVER touch this game.  Look how long it has been out and they still don't fix the 8800 GTX problems.  And if you think this game competes or will ever compete against EQ2, WoW, WAR, or even AOC, you're nuts.  You call us flamers cause we don't play an unfinished, buggy, piece of junk game?  Well I call you retarded for even thinking this game can even compete with the MMO's that are out and are coming out in the future.  That's my 2 cents.  Call me flamer, but I wll never play another game from these people.  And anyone who pays for an unfinished, buggy piece of crap....more power to you.

The problem with VG - the only mmorpg i am currently playing - is that it sucks. It's not fun. Crafting to level 50 takes more than 10,000 clicks. Seriously who wants to click a box 10,000 times. I would much rather learn how to be a blacksmith in real life, or even learn to play an instrument. I'm just being honest. 10,000 clicks for something that anyone can get, because let us face it, a dark elf rogue is the same as every other dark elf rogue. A wood elf ranger is the EXACT same as every other wood elf ranger. Wait on second thought, this might strike a chord with the kids, because it's so simple, but we need something more complex. True gamers need pvp, not pve, they need complexity, but that doesn't mean crafting is like going to a casino, that means that crafting is varied, but simply interfaced, so the complexity cna come from within th eplayer, and not from the instruction manual. Seriously, this game is doomed.

What about  those of us who HAVE researched MMOs and who think Vanguard will stick around for a long time like that cockroach Horizons?

It may not close down, but that doesn't make it a success, and it certainly doesn't mean it's a good game.

Originally posted by vingvega

Well, no matter what they do to this game I will never play it again.  The game was an unfinished piece of rubbish that couldn't and STILL can't run with the highest video card out on the market today.  I don't care if they re-did the whole game with an NGE or whatever, I still will NEVER touch this game.  Look how long it has been out and they still don't fix the 8800 GTX problems.  And if you think this game competes or will ever compete against EQ2, WoW, WAR, or even AOC, you're nuts.  You call us flamers cause we don't play an unfinished, buggy, piece of junk game?  Well I call you retarded for even thinking this game can even compete with the MMO's that are out and are coming out in the future.  That's my 2 cents.  Call me flamer, but I wll never play another game from these people.  And anyone who pays for an unfinished, buggy piece of crap....more power to you.

No you're not a flamer for stating you wont play a certain game again. You're a flamer when you calling people retards for thinking it will grow and be bigger, calling them retard* for playing a game you dislike.

*If one plays the game and likes, they sopposedly don't do it because they find the game an unfinished, buggy piece of crap.

So yeah, excuse yourself as much as you like if you think that excuses you enough to flame.

Originally posted by Hexxeity

What about  those of us who HAVE researched MMOs and who think Vanguard will stick around for a long time like that cockroach Horizons?

It may not close down, but that doesn't make it a success, and it certainly doesn't mean it's a good game.

It certainly does mean that those that plays it, states they like, thinks it's a good game.

-It's a good game.
-No, it's not.
-I think it is.
-No you don't, are you stupid?

Originally posted by Novality

i know this subject is long over used but dammit im putting my two cents in.

Sick of all these bashers that obviously never researched MMOs saying VG is dead or it will last for a couple years...BS

Buff that turd all you want bud but it will still smell like Sh@t!

IMHO VG will become another EQ2 type...first off we all know that EQ is still running hard but when that slips they are all either going to EQ2 or VG. Flamers keep saying "like zomg when AoC comes out and WAR, like your vg will be pwned"

ummm...no. U flamers have it all wrong VG is for hardcore  PvE,

Can Hardcore and PVE be used in the same sentence now? Sorry I come for a generation that everyone didn't get a trophy whether you won or lost.

ya maybe some of us including myself will go try out AoC and WAR for a month but its not denting our population at all.

And if you pull my other leg it will play jingle bells. Since we are talking pie in the sky.. I believe all of man kind will join in on a massive group hug.

also people are saying no one is re subbing or no NEW players are comming...well for the past 5-6 days i see people in continent chat asking for some advice beause they are NEW.

Cool glad a couple of people are asking question like.. Is it normal for my pet to disappear when I cross a chunk? or How come when I run into a city the screen freezes and then I end up on the other side of it? or WHERE IS EVERYONE?

And in case u all havent learned from the past...EQ2 started out exactly like this or in my experience...worse...if anyone will dig up "The dead horse" and revive its ass its SoE

Yes SOE wrote the book on dead horses. The best is "How to kill a horse"- co written with Lucas arts,  and the critically aclaimed "1000 recipes for serving up dead horse to unsuspecting guests"by John Smedly

 

TBH man with VG gaining the incredible amount of 5 or 6 people a week they may catch up to the incredible sub numbers of Dark and light.

Originally posted by Orphes

 

Originally posted by Hexxeity

What about  those of us who HAVE researched MMOs and who think Vanguard will stick around for a long time like that cockroach Horizons?

It may not close down, but that doesn't make it a success, and it certainly doesn't mean it's a good game.

 

It certainly does mean that those that plays it, states they like, thinks it's a good game.

-It's a good game.
-No, it's not.
-I think it is.
-No you don't, are you stupid?

It could be just that you are addicted to it. Then you would say it's a good game even if it were not.

Everyone knows how bad it was on release. But that was about a year ago. Ive been lately hearing more and more positive things about it and now people tend to have better computers handling its graphics. I kinda liked it even then, noticed many bugs and things that were surely lacking, but wanted to give it time.

Ive been reading also some good things about it elsewhere and chatted with few old friends who tend to play it. Not all say its bad, actually is quite opposite.

I've been playhing it since launch. You can look up my account just ask me for the info you need, besides any passwords or anything like that. I can tell you that the performance has improved, but in no way have consumers caught up to the gaming rig required to run vg. It is still a couple years away before even half of gamers have the stuff required to run this. Granted fps has imrpoved, for me by 10 fps, but that is not enough in one year. Anarchy online imrpoved much more in teh course of a month than this game did in the course of a year at release. There is simply not enough manpower to fix things. We still don't even have helms. I will only be playing this game until i am 100 percent certain it is a failure. Right now it's like 80/20 failure/ success.

Originally posted by Wow4Lifer

Originally posted by Orphes

 

Originally posted by Hexxeity

What about  those of us who HAVE researched MMOs and who think Vanguard will stick around for a long time like that cockroach Horizons?

It may not close down, but that doesn't make it a success, and it certainly doesn't mean it's a good game.

 

It certainly does mean that those that plays it, states they like, thinks it's a good game.

-It's a good game.
-No, it's not.
-I think it is.
-No you don't, are you stupid?

It could be just that you are addicted to it. Then you would say it's a good game even if it were not.

Yeh, you just can't see people liking things you don't. Narrowminded are we?

;)

The game? Pretty good. People like Nova in the community however? Not helping...

Why do people keep blaming the bad performance on inadequate hardware? Hasn't this myth been debunked time after time? The game was thrown together by inexperienced programmers that were scrambling to get it in a box, this much is fact. The required specs do not run this game worth a damn and that proves the game has coding issues. I agree it takes a monster rig to achieve playability with high quality settings, but the game still needs much tweaking in program and design before it's complete. Reference the recent customization changes as example.

The people I knew (and myself) who stuck around despite the bad performance, bugs, and instability liked the basic philosophy of the game. That philosophy changed over time as SOE got more involved in development. They did fix (and still are fixing) some of the stability, performance, and bug issues and that's where people saw FPS increases when no upgrades to hardware were made. Having to overcompensate with hardware to offset poor design and code is asking too much. When SOE gets the game cleaned up you will be able to play it with the required specs. But what game will you be playing then? It certainly won't be the VG that 200k+ people purchased.

Originally posted by Hexxeity

What about  those of us who HAVE researched MMOs and who think Vanguard will stick around for a long time like that cockroach Horizons?

It may not close down, but that doesn't make it a success, and it certainly doesn't mean it's a good game.

Agreed, it will NEVER get more players, just drop in piopulation. It is an awful game and flopped pretty hard taking it's parent company with it. I ROFL at the vanbois, they can't even admit this game is awful, will alwsy be awful, and will just bleed players till cancellation.

"...and STILL can't run with the highest video card out on the market today...."

I have an HD 3850, not the top of the line card, and the game runs fine for me. I don't even have a very robust system and the game runs fine for me...

I must be special...or at least not grabbing for the same line that is used over and over again...well you know what I mean.

*yawn*