Originally posted by graill

 

Originally posted by markoraos

What "our" country are you talking about? What "our" troops?

Get a perspective man.

you obviously must be one of the third world countries "we" havent invaded yet.

 

(sorry, just a dripping, sarcastic joke for the unobvious)

 

OP, bad idea, your over there to do a job not play games, in your offtime, thats when your not in the motorpool, servicing or helping to service your vehicle or on patrol or on guard duty you train or sleep, if you have to much spare time then your obviously not doing all you could be doing such as training your subordinates or studying for your proficiency exams for your next rank/paygrade. when you come back to the states you can play games.

(damn, did i go there or what?!)

That is exactly what I am saying! The OP needs to learn to prioritize. There are more important things a soldier can do with his spare time than playing games, all of them include ensuring he doesn't or his subordinates don't die the next time they go on patrol.

Hmm long gone are the days of being hanged for traitorous opinions  but hey thats what comes with democracey.

Oh my gentle Jesus.... Why.... I have nothing against you boys over there getting spare time to do what you want, i was just explaining the issues blizzard would have with it. Now then. How many posters here have actually served in military. I am talking real military, not boyscout reserves so they pay for your post secondary. I know I have. Corporal James Mahoney, Canadian armed forces. Served as a peacekeeper in bosnia and did 2 runs in afganistan. It's hard. I don't want to do it again. My best friend took a goddamn bullet in the head over there. So before you start flaming this boy's idea. Think. Do I have the balls to do what he's doing. The answer will almost definately be no. Why? Because military is hard, and dangerous. Y'all get home from school or the office or the plant or whatever, and you hop on your computers and play videogames. Not the same fighting a war. You get out of your patrol vehicle after being shot at and hated by half the population of the country you're trying to help, and you are dead tired. The few hours you have to yourself are very precious, and if you want to play WoW with those precious hours, be my guest. I hope you boys get WoW, and if you do, tell me what server, and by god i'll play with you. You boys deserve a whole helluva lot more respect than what these folks are giving you.

Y'all remember. These boys didn't start the war, they are just serving their country, protection all you folks so you can play your games, go for a walk without getting gunned down, and keep all the rights and freedoms you got. So godbless and good luck my friend, and remember, there are still some who have respect for you.

I can't for the life of me figure out why you are arguing with a person who thinks the country is called "Iraqi" and the people there "Iraqians"? At first I thought it was a typo, but after reading the other posts by the person I realised that they are just clueless.

I'm not really saying Blizz should or should not do it, but I played CoX, a game known for substandard performance at times, with a guy in my SG who was in Afghanistan. Maybe you need to talk to someone in communications over there about getting a better connection.

Originally posted by altairzq

Well.. better play WOW than go around the world killing people. Your got my vote.

The OP was not suggesting playing WoW RATHER then killing people.  He is suggesting playing WoW IN-BETWEEN killing people.  At bit of a difference.

Originally posted by Wikkedbowtie

I can't for the life of me figure out why you are arguing with a person who thinks the country is called "Iraqi" and the people there "Iraqians"?

Originally posted by WoWownsall

... You boys deserve a whole helluva lot more respect than what these folks are giving you.

Y'all remember. These boys didn't start the war, they are just serving their country, protection all you folks so you can play your games, go for a walk without getting gunned down, and keep all the rights and freedoms you got. So godbless and good luck my friend, and remember, there are still some who have respect for you.

 
I could not have said it better myself.

Originally posted by Vrika

Originally posted by Wikkedbowtie

I can't for the life of me figure out why you are arguing with a person who thinks the country is called "Iraqi" and the people there "Iraqians"?

Thanks for poiting out my mistake, I tried to correct those words now.

But do you really think that not speaking english as my mother tongue makes me somehow less intelligent?

Go accuse your own troops of being evil killers and leave the american troops alone. Most people in america support our troops. Thats our right, thats our choice.

Originally posted by Solase

 

Originally posted by Vrika
Providing too actively services to military wouldn't be a good idea. Currently WoW and Blizzard are considered to be politically quite neutral, working too actively to aid US soldiers would be considered by many as supporting the war. They wouldn't be neutral any more.

But maybe they could arrange character transfers for servers from one region to another for soldiers serving abroad. They have servers in NA, EU and Asia, one of them is bound to be close enough that you wouldn't experience too much lag while playing.

This kind of talk really is upsetting.  Regardless of whether you are for the war or against, making such comments and decisions I would be considered on the same playing field as being racist or sexist.  We put our lives on the line each and everyday so people can have freedom.  We are the ones who stand up and fight for freedom and know what it is to live in environments without such freedom.  This would NOT be an act to support or condemn the war.  It would be an act to support the troops that serve each and everyday!

 

I hear many of stories of soldiers returning home and being laid off, fired, etc.. for unjust reasons because employers fear they will have to hold a position for them or those who politically oppose the war.  It's really sad that people treat our soldiers like leapors and I see many troops compare such treatment as those Vietnam vets that returned from war.  We are the country that should be setting the standard for freedom and democracy so others around the word can aspire to have it for themselves.  When you treat the very people that serve our nation as such, you are fowling what are nation stands for.

So please, put aside the so-called "neutral" aspect.  We don't create wars; we serve our country.  If you have an issue with us being over here, take that to your politicians and leave us out of it.  We're here to do our job and we do it quite well thank you!

By the way,  Your Welcome for the freedom you enjoy.

Peace.

I don't enjoy your freedom. Try bringing some of that freedom round here and we will kill you.

Blizzards most profitable market isn't the U.S.

A lot of people enjoy their freedom in spite of American efforts to prevent it. A lot of people do have democracy and freedom for themselves and are not looking to you to set any standards for them. A lot of people don't have democracy or the same freedom as you, and are still not looking for you to set any standards for them. Please stop with your flag waving, it wins no prizes. WoW is not on sale in any country that looks to America for moral or political guidance.

I think a local server for forces types would be a great addition. Perhaps on a secure closed net so information leak can be averted. (Trying to monitor or censor private comms over a public server for operational theatres would be a bit more work than any one needs).  You could set up a private server perhaps, It would be a PR disaster for Blizzard to shut that down. 

The whole good PR business?

I can't see it myself. The majority of WoW players don't support you. Get over yourself. The majority of WoW players were traditionally Pro Saddam, and the most profitable while not exactly pro Saddam are all massively anti Iraq war and all reasonably anti U.S. stormtroopers. If this was a U.S. only game or a primarily U.S. or even coalition game, you might have a point, but we're the monority market in this game.

Please stop harping on about fighting for everyone's freedom. The KKK said exactly the same thing. Mentioning to troops that they have been in a vastly unpopular war is not akin to racism. No one owes you anything. You do it for pay. Leave you out of the politics of your job? You're part of the political system. The part that inflicts it on unwilling participants at gun point or kills them. You chose that job."I vas just following ze orders" isn't going to cut it with anyone. You volunteered. You looked at your great nation, you looked at it's freedoms and it's democratic system of government and you said "I believe". "I'm willing to kill for that".

You don't get to wave your flag and harp on about how you are the key to all that is politically great about your job but then it all be strangely the politicians fault when you do something unpopular.  

Just so you understand where I am coming from, I'm pro war, pro invading Iraq, pro american, pro soldiers, pro killing. If you have the balls to kill, you better grow the balls to live with what you do. You won't get charity from your enemies and you don't deserve any.

The support I offer my troops is money. Money for the best guns. Money for the best training. Money for body amour, money for their childrens schools. Money for their holidays.

Get a private server mate. Use it on your VPN.

What nonsense.

This whole " support our troops" in every stream of media opportunity gets real tired, real quick.

They are doing a tough job (that they signed up for). Its a mentally difficult and stressful task ( which they signed up for). They are fighting for our freedom and the liberties to play MMO's ( debatable at the least).

I hope they all come home soon and safely to their families but this over-riding uber-patriotism can blind people to reality and posions fair debate.

Police, firefighters, etc all face daily life threatening danger in their jobs but yuo hardly see the same endorsement for them.

Just get on on and play the game. Look after your own families and endorse them. If you wanna help the soldiers and ease their burden, either join them in the fighting on the front line or become a politician and lobby for them to come home.

This post has been derailed completely. Hopefully a forum moderator will lock this soon. Please, there is no point in posting anymore, so just don't. People are being offended, threatened, and mocked, so just stop. Leave it to the tweens to do this type of thing, not grown people. And if you are a tween derailing threads, go play with your legos or your dolls please.

Thank you all, and have a good time

Originally posted by pust082

Originally posted by WoWownsall

... You boys deserve a whole helluva lot more respect than what these folks are giving you.

Y'all remember. These boys didn't start the war, they are just serving their country, protection all you folks so you can play your games, go for a walk without getting gunned down, and keep all the rights and freedoms you got. So godbless and good luck my friend, and remember, there are still some who have respect for you.

 
I could not have said it better myself.

Freedom at gun point is called oppression.

Of all the many beneficial things soldiers bring, freedom has never been one of them. Peace, security, wealth, order...sure. All of these, and each time at the expense of freedom.

They aren't just the ones that are called in to foriegn places to deny the locals their freedom, but they are also the ones that will be called out domestically if anyone tries too hard to gain their freedom at home.

Sorry but you can't divorce politics from your job.

I vas just following zee orders! 

Honestly, who respects whinney troops demanding respect for achievements they haven't made. Who respects whinney troops who won't live up to the political responsabilites of their actions.

If you didn't join the army, they wouldn't be able to send you to wars. You are a willing part of the machine. You volunteered. Your voluntary will enabled them to declare war. Your individual free will made the decision to act out those orders. It wasn't just the politicians who made that decision, each and every member in the chain of command down from that point made the same decision. Right down to the man with gun. And he made the big decision. On his own.

I vas just following zee orders! No mate you are responsable for your own actions. 100% personally responsable for every action you take.

For the most part members of my armed services, and even yours, hold my respect. I feel by and large that the work they do is of benefit to me. I also feel that my troops, yours and even the Americans behaviour and skill are a credit to our nations. That they represent us internationally and purport themselves in way I can be proud of. 

 But the ones that harp on about defending my freedom? No respect at all. I do not suffer idiots lightly.

This is not a post about the war. This post is about one boy in the war over there who wanted to know if it was a good idea to get WoW over there. Why did people instantly jump to arguing about the war. There are tons of news forums for that. This is a video game forum. Not a political discussion forum. Please stop posting. The thread has been derailed, shot, flogged, kicked, kidney punched, and beaten with a nine iron. Just don't post. Thanks to all y'all who don't, and to those of you who do, please mature up a bit.