You should be able to see from the responses to your post that it's not time to stop the criticisms of SOE. They have simply burned too many people and done nothing to make up for it.

The station pass isn't a good deal--it's just a bunch of mediocre games that would have been shut down if they weren't part of the station pass life support system.

Firing Smed would be a good start but the problem at SOE is systemic. The biggest problem is that they have forgotten that they are in the entertainment industry and they view their customers as adversaries instead of values member. Of course they are a business and in it to make money but they have gone about it in such a greedy and underhanded way that it leaves a bad taste in everybody's mouth. The most recent example is the SOE/Live Gamer relationship--Smed has no problem whatsoever with RMT and its detrimental effect on in-game economies as long as he's getting a cut. Same thing with microtransactions...the vast majority of SOE's customers don't want microtransactions. They don't want to be nickel and dimed to death.

You can continue to defend them all you want but SOE's reputation is richly deserved. They have no one to blame but themselves.

I see nothing good from SOE.  While I dont hate them, I will try and stay clear of anything they touch.

Originally posted by summitus Your biased and are talking from a disgruntled SWG Vet point of view.

SOE deserves every bit of hate they get.I havent tried a soe game since NGE and dont plan on tryin one anytime soon.

Originally posted by summitus

Originally posted by Burntvet

$OE and $med have EARNED every bit of their terrible reputation and it is NOT because of a single incident or a single business practice.

The mistake you so blithely dismiss as SWG, to which part are you referring? The NGE that destroyed the game/professions/time investment most people had? The expansion that promised all sorts of features and character enhancements only to have all the promised enhancements removed by the NGE right after the expansion was billed? The refusal to refund the remain portions of year long subscriptions after such a huge game change? The terrible, untested, bug-filled mess that was pushed to live servers over the vocal objections of players/testers? The terrible customer service? The top down business attitude that the customer is wrong, deserves no respect, and will play whatever they are given and should like it? The fact that SOE came out and said that they didn't care anything about their existing playerbase at the time of the NGE? Is that what you mean?

That should be easily forgotten/forgiven after a couple backhanded, half hearted apologies from $med and lackeys with no concrete corrective steps (classic servers) or any form of recompense (free play time to existing customers)? Talk is cheap, especially at $OE. They have NEVER made any concession to anyone that cost them money to do, aside from the much documented PR tour for a few of the SWG boycotters.

And then there is what they did to EQ, EQ2 and planetside on different occasions that were also very bad for their player bases, respectively.  I need not document them here.

Tack onto that the terrible customer service they have always had, their participation now in item/gold selling for their own games, which most players do NOT want.  Their reputation is so deservedly bad, that they can't even put their name on things they distribute anymore, they have spun that business entitiy off as "Platform Publishing" and not $OE.

Someone in another thread put it very well when they said they are tired of "Eating out of the dogbowl" when it comes to playing $OE games. They is EXACTLY how $OE views their customers and delivers content and game changes.

I will not give another dime to $OE, and if I were treated the way $OE treated most of us by another company providing a good or service, I would not do any more business with them either.

This is business, not personal (for me at least).

Your biased and are talking from a disgruntled SWG Vet point of view.

I wouldn't say I'd never play another SOE game again someday, hell I'd even go back to SWG if they'd release a classic server and didn't have jedi as an option on it.  But I still wouldn't trust them any.  They ruined my mmorpg gaming about 3 years ago now and I haven't been able to find a decent mmorpg game since pre cu swg.  I even mastered every profession there was in the game just to unlock a jedi that wasn't worth playing.  Jedi should've never been put into the game.  There were alot of things that SOE did that I didn't agree with.  As for EQ, I never really played that game.  I was playing UO instead at that time.  But I did try the trial version for EQ2 and I didn't like the game.  That's me though. 

I guess what I'm trying to say is that just because we may be swg vets doesn't mean our oppinions on SOE don't matter anymore than your oppions in favor of SOE.  If we aren't allowed in your eyes to be worthy of discussion here in this thread, based soley on our veteran status of swg.  Then your posts shouldn't really matter either should they?  Or are you special?

Originally posted by WharfRat

SOE deserves every bit of hate they get.I havent tried a soe game since NGE and dont plan on tryin one anytime soon.

tbh, the only thing i dont liek with soe, is the way they treated us in swg.. i had no problems in eq2.. as much iw ant the hate to go away, and see a bright side in soe, i want swg to close down.. and see another sw come to life.. a fresh new start in the swg saga

Agency? Low quality and Niche game....

Originally posted by Kazzer

Originally posted by WharfRat

SOE deserves every bit of hate they get.I havent tried a soe game since NGE and dont plan on tryin one anytime soon.

tbh, the only thing i dont liek with soe, is the way they treated us in swg.. i had no problems in eq2.. as much iw ant the hate to go away, and see a bright side in soe, i want swg to close down.. and see another sw come to life.. a fresh new start in the swg saga

While I'd go back and play again if they released classic servers, I'd still like another SW game to be released here soon.  Be it from Bioware or another company other than SOE.  I just can't get into the whole NGE bs they made.

My great uncle was a flying ace in World War II.  He told me that his instructors always told him to keep laying fire on a target until it hit the ground, as that was the only certain way to kill.

That's exactly what we pissed off vets are doing to SWG and to SOE, we will keep laying into them until both are in the ground.

SOE is absolutely the most unethical and inept publisher in the industry, and John Smedley is the MMO player's worst enemy.

Fortunately Smed and SOE are their own worst enemy, not us.  Their sheer incompetence will get the job of their destruction done.

Originally posted by greenstumps

 

Originally posted by summitus

 

Originally posted by Vrika
People will stop hating SOE when they feel that SOE makes good (or at least decent) games and doesn't try to rip them off.

But as it is, SOE has long record of releasing unfinished and bugged games (SWG, Vanguard, etc), and making so radical gameplay changes (like NGE) that people who once bought 1 game may end up having entirely diffirent game.

SOE also has a habit of publishing so many expansions, and trying to get players to buy extra monthly fee for things like character slots, station player services, etc. That playing one of their games costs easily much more than what the game's monthly fee is.

Of course there are always much haters on these forums who hate practically everything. But those who hate SOE have generally a viable reason for their hate.

THere is nothing wrong with most of SOE's games SWG being the exeption although there are still alot of people that play and enjoy SWG after all the changes. Nearly every single Mmo on the market has had some changes that " some" people dont like. Also SOE has I'm sure alot of people who are quite happy with their service, I have been a subscriber for years and have never had  any real problems and when I have their customer service has always been prompt and polite. All games release expansions some more than others. You can purchase EQ 2 and all its Expansions now for about $40 so whats wrong with that ? And as I have said Station Pass incedibly good value for money.

 

As far as the hate is concerned it has spread like a Disease from a handful og disgruntled SWG vets to everyone else, so I suppose they are winning in twisted and appalling way, the problem is too many people these days like to hate and will jump on any hate bandwagon they can find.

 

Nothing wrong with their games? Right...........................

They ruined Planetside and everyone quit and they ruined SWG and everyone quit. Then they ruined EQ and refuse to put up classic servers and most people quit that game. Vanguard and EQ2 got released as complete crap and well they couldn't really get any worse so obviously these games are getting better but still they suck and arn't any fun. Theres a trend in all SOE's games of having a low population and people try to tell you that the servers are alive but you havn't seen alive until you played WOW or EVe seeing as it's only got the one. They release expansion after expansion and none of it is very good or to the quality that Blizzard do or even CCP.

Not to say SOE are the only company that make crap mmorpgs because 99% of them out there are crap and that's the problem with this genre. We need more blockbuster games like everyother genre has with it's Fight nights and gears of war and halo and half-life and team fortress 2 and i could go on.

What can you name for the mmorpg genre......... WOW.

Vanguard was not destroyed by SOE, it was poorly made and launched due to financial problems at Sigil. SOE saved the game and it is now better in every aspect compare to WoW (so people who play it say at least).

SOE didnt destroy SWG either, I also heard the rumor that this was actually Lucas Arts's work.

But SOE's do have incompetent leadership with no clue how to make money out of the very good situation they once had on the MMO market. IT fixed itself though, SOE is not that much into MMO's anymore and the world is happy for that.

Originally posted by Mitara

 

Originally posted by greenstumps

 

Originally posted by summitus

 

Originally posted by Vrika
People will stop hating SOE when they feel that SOE makes good (or at least decent) games and doesn't try to rip them off.

But as it is, SOE has long record of releasing unfinished and bugged games (SWG, Vanguard, etc), and making so radical gameplay changes (like NGE) that people who once bought 1 game may end up having entirely diffirent game.

SOE also has a habit of publishing so many expansions, and trying to get players to buy extra monthly fee for things like character slots, station player services, etc. That playing one of their games costs easily much more than what the game's monthly fee is.

Of course there are always much haters on these forums who hate practically everything. But those who hate SOE have generally a viable reason for their hate.

THere is nothing wrong with most of SOE's games SWG being the exeption although there are still alot of people that play and enjoy SWG after all the changes. Nearly every single Mmo on the market has had some changes that " some" people dont like. Also SOE has I'm sure alot of people who are quite happy with their service, I have been a subscriber for years and have never had  any real problems and when I have their customer service has always been prompt and polite. All games release expansions some more than others. You can purchase EQ 2 and all its Expansions now for about $40 so whats wrong with that ? And as I have said Station Pass incedibly good value for money.

 

As far as the hate is concerned it has spread like a Disease from a handful og disgruntled SWG vets to everyone else, so I suppose they are winning in twisted and appalling way, the problem is too many people these days like to hate and will jump on any hate bandwagon they can find.

 

Nothing wrong with their games? Right...........................

They ruined Planetside and everyone quit and they ruined SWG and everyone quit. Then they ruined EQ and refuse to put up classic servers and most people quit that game. Vanguard and EQ2 got released as complete crap and well they couldn't really get any worse so obviously these games are getting better but still they suck and arn't any fun. Theres a trend in all SOE's games of having a low population and people try to tell you that the servers are alive but you havn't seen alive until you played WOW or EVe seeing as it's only got the one. They release expansion after expansion and none of it is very good or to the quality that Blizzard do or even CCP.

Not to say SOE are the only company that make crap mmorpgs because 99% of them out there are crap and that's the problem with this genre. We need more blockbuster games like everyother genre has with it's Fight nights and gears of war and halo and half-life and team fortress 2 and i could go on.

What can you name for the mmorpg genre......... WOW.

 

Vanguard was not destroyed by SOE, it was poorly made and launched due to financial problems at Sigil. SOE saved the game and it is now better in every aspect compare to WoW (so people who play it say at least).

SOE didnt destroy SWG either, I also heard the rumor that this was actually Lucas Arts's work.

But SOE's do have incompetent leadership with no clue how to make money out of the very good situation they once had on the MMO market. IT fixed itself though, SOE is not that much into MMO's anymore and the world is happy for that.

That is true lucasarts were the brain stormers behind the nge, they believed for the game to survive in the present market it had to change to become more like having a life in the more recent movies and starwars battle front was used as the combat template for  that change, sony had no say in that matter lucasarts even brought in developers of there own to oversee the nge's design

Originally posted by Deathstrike2

 

Originally posted by altairzq

$$$$$$$$$$OE sucks so much... I wish it disappears from the MMO industry one day. Well now it's pretty much fucosing on low quality games/niche games/kid games so it doesn't count like a few years ago, fortunately.

 

So just for clarity, what does the Agency fall under?  Low quality, niche game, or kid game? 

All three probably. Get real, it's a bloody $$$$$$$OE game.

"$$$$$$$OE We've got your game"

"and we screwed it"

Originally posted by Mandarr

 

Originally posted by summitus

Originally posted by Burntvet

$OE and $med have EARNED every bit of their terrible reputation and it is NOT because of a single incident or a single business practice.

The mistake you so blithely dismiss as SWG, to which part are you referring? The NGE that destroyed the game/professions/time investment most people had? The expansion that promised all sorts of features and character enhancements only to have all the promised enhancements removed by the NGE right after the expansion was billed? The refusal to refund the remain portions of year long subscriptions after such a huge game change? The terrible, untested, bug-filled mess that was pushed to live servers over the vocal objections of players/testers? The terrible customer service? The top down business attitude that the customer is wrong, deserves no respect, and will play whatever they are given and should like it? The fact that SOE came out and said that they didn't care anything about their existing playerbase at the time of the NGE? Is that what you mean?

That should be easily forgotten/forgiven after a couple backhanded, half hearted apologies from $med and lackeys with no concrete corrective steps (classic servers) or any form of recompense (free play time to existing customers)? Talk is cheap, especially at $OE. They have NEVER made any concession to anyone that cost them money to do, aside from the much documented PR tour for a few of the SWG boycotters.

And then there is what they did to EQ, EQ2 and planetside on different occasions that were also very bad for their player bases, respectively.  I need not document them here.

Tack onto that the terrible customer service they have always had, their participation now in item/gold selling for their own games, which most players do NOT want.  Their reputation is so deservedly bad, that they can't even put their name on things they distribute anymore, they have spun that business entitiy off as "Platform Publishing" and not $OE.

Someone in another thread put it very well when they said they are tired of "Eating out of the dogbowl" when it comes to playing $OE games. They is EXACTLY how $OE views their customers and delivers content and game changes.

I will not give another dime to $OE, and if I were treated the way $OE treated most of us by another company providing a good or service, I would not do any more business with them either.

This is business, not personal (for me at least).

Your biased and are talking from a disgruntled SWG Vet point of view.

So since Burntvet is a swg vet his oppinion on the topic you started isn't allowed?  I'm a pre cu vet myself and although I may not trust SOE, that doesn't mean my oppinion shouldn't count anymore than yours does.  Did you wake up today and feel like this is the day to try to make SOE look like a good company in everyone's eyes?  You need to go back to bed dude. 

 

 

I wouldn't say I'd never play another SOE game again someday, hell I'd even go back to SWG if they'd release a classic server and didn't have jedi as an option on it.  But I still wouldn't trust them any.  They ruined my mmorpg gaming about 3 years ago now and I haven't been able to find a decent mmorpg game since pre cu swg.  I even mastered every profession there was in the game just to unlock a jedi that wasn't worth playing.  Jedi should've never been put into the game.  There were alot of things that SOE did that I didn't agree with.  As for EQ, I never really played that game.  I was playing UO instead at that time.  But I did try the trial version for EQ2 and I didn't like the game.  That's me though. 

 

I guess what I'm trying to say is that just because we may be swg vets doesn't mean our oppinions on SOE don't matter anymore than your oppions in favor of SOE.  If we aren't allowed in your eyes to be worthy of discussion here in this thread, based soley on our veteran status of swg.  Then your posts shouldn't really matter either should they?  Or are you special?

lol when are people going to learn to read posts properly ? Who said he cant have his opinion all I said is that SWG Vet opinions are totally biased toward the Hate side of SOE, Also I wish people would read original posts before they start frothing at the mouth.

SWG vets hate SOE, true.

But you say that as if our hatred of them is irrational and without reason!

We had our game stolen from us not once but TWICE within half a year.  The game doesn't even resemble in the slightest the game that we bought years ago.

Let me throw this back on you:  Given what SOE has done to us, why SHOULDN'T we hate them?

If its any consolation, I hate EA more than I detest SOE.

Originally posted by salvaje

My great uncle was a flying ace in World War II.  He told me that his instructors always told him to keep laying fire on a target until it hit the ground, as that was the only certain way to kill.

That's exactly what we pissed off vets are doing to SWG and to SOE, we will keep laying into them until both are in the ground.

SOE is absolutely the most unethical and inept publisher in the industry, and John Smedley is the MMO player's worst enemy.

Fortunately Smed and SOE are their own worst enemy, not us.  Their sheer incompetence will get the job of their destruction done.

 

So even with Smed gone you would like to bring down SOE too ? thats pretty sick.

Originally posted by altairzq

 

Originally posted by Deathstrike2

 

Originally posted by altairzq

$$$$$$$$$$OE sucks so much... I wish it disappears from the MMO industry one day. Well now it's pretty much fucosing on low quality games/niche games/kid games so it doesn't count like a few years ago, fortunately.

 

So just for clarity, what does the Agency fall under?  Low quality, niche game, or kid game? 

All three probably. Get real, it's a bloody $$$$$$$OE game.

 

 

"$$$$$$$OE We've got your game"

"and we screwed it"

Actually, EQ2 is better than a lot of games out there right now, Vanguard is pretty good too (much better than when it started).  EQ1 set the standard a long time ago, and SWG was great (so I'm told) until LUCASARTS made the decision to screw it. 

Personally, I don't care if people like SOE or not.  If they put out a good game, I'm going to play it.  And if they change the game in a way I don't like, I'll quit.  I sure as hell won't spend the rest of my life whining about it on some forum.  LMAO!

Originally posted by ShotgunJoe

If its any consolation, I hate EA more than I detest SOE.

I also guarantee that half the SOE haters still play their games too, after all hating these companys is such a popular pastime now, its almost like a game in its self to some people.

Originally posted by Deathstrike2

 

Originally posted by altairzq

 

Originally posted by Deathstrike2

 

Originally posted by altairzq

$$$$$$$$$$OE sucks so much... I wish it disappears from the MMO industry one day. Well now it's pretty much fucosing on low quality games/niche games/kid games so it doesn't count like a few years ago, fortunately.

 

So just for clarity, what does the Agency fall under?  Low quality, niche game, or kid game? 

All three probably. Get real, it's a bloody $$$$$$$OE game.

 

 

"$$$$$$$OE We've got your game"

"and we screwed it"

 

Actually, EQ2 is better than a lot of games out there right now, Vanguard is pretty good too (much better than when it started).  EQ1 set the standard a long time ago, and SWG was great (so I'm told) until LUCASARTS made the decision to screw it. 

Personally, I don't care if people like SOE or not.  If they put out a good game, I'm going to play it.  And if they change the game in a way I don't like, I'll quit.  I sure as hell won't spend the rest of my life whining about it on some forum.  LMAO!

 

Well said nice to see a sensible point of view amid all the chaos.

Check the thread titled "SOE picks up new IP for MMO......" in the Off-Topic.