Does EVE really need another review? Does it really deserve a 2 part review?

It really hasn't changed that much. The graphics overhaul just wasn't as great as it was played out to be and the gameplay is still stale.

The game is so boring that, when I won a free month of gametime, I logged in like twice and not for very long. I then forgot about the game until my free month was up and my account was charged a fee for the next month of play. I promptly canceled again, for the 3rd and final time.

I've been gaming online for years and have played tons of games, at length. That being said, I really don't think that EVE deserves the coverage and hype that it gets. I understand that this is my opinion. I know that many on this site disagree, but it just seems like this site is a bit too EVE-centric sometimes.

I frequent alot of gaming sites and forums and this is the only site where people that don't like EVE get slagged down by the people that like the game. The people that like the game insult the people that don't and question their intelligence because they don't like the game.

Well, Kryogenic, apparently the staff (or the reviewer, at least) has liked EVE so far, and wants to do a 2-part re-review from the point of view of someone beyond the first 'noob' hump (around 5-6 months played).

I don't know about your many other forums you frequent, but I'd think there people didn't also come to the EVE section of the forums to flame against the game either, which here is sadly very, very common.

I have seen, sadly, that there are those who cheerfully counterflame the people who attack EVE. I wish they would stop that, but the truth is when someone directly attacks something you care about, be it a hobby, a friend or an opinion, people get annoyed.

You find it insulting that someone tells you down when you're lumping all eve-players into, for instance, 'mindless business-grads who rather play a job then a game', yet find no fault with the people criticizing the game on opinions often so skewed that they bear no resemblance to any game I've ever played, EVE or any other.

'EVE is so boring'-lines are starting to sound like 'your momma's so fat' -jokes, really.

Originally posted by Finwolven

Well, Kryogenic, apparently the staff (or the reviewer, at least) has liked EVE so far, and wants to do a 2-part re-review from the point of view of someone beyond the first 'noob' hump (around 5-6 months played).

I don't know about your many other forums you frequent, but I'd think there people didn't also come to the EVE section of the forums to flame against the game either, which here is sadly very, very common.

I have seen, sadly, that there are those who cheerfully counterflame the people who attack EVE. I wish they would stop that, but the truth is when someone directly attacks something you care about, be it a hobby, a friend or an opinion, people get annoyed.

You find it insulting that someone tells you down when you're lumping all eve-players into, for instance, 'mindless business-grads who rather play a job then a game', yet find no fault with the people criticizing the game on opinions often so skewed that they bear no resemblance to any game I've ever played, EVE or any other.

'EVE is so boring'-lines are starting to sound like 'your momma's so fat' -jokes, really.

This thread is to discuss the article not people's opinions about the game.

The only reason I posted what I did is because this is the 3rd time this game has been reviewed on this site. Not only that, but the game really hasn't changed that much since the last review. The 2 major things that changed since then are the graphics overhaul and the fact that new characters start out with more skill points then they used to. Both of these changes had multiple features on the site devoted to them. It just seems to be over-kill to me.

Nice review.  Gives a new player a good idea of what the game is about.  Just one suggestion, the emphacis for the new player should be learning the smaller ships first and then moving on to the larger ones, much later.  Whenever I see a two or three month old character in a battleship I laugh because I know he is strictly sharkbait having few skills to fight such a ship effectively.  Heck I have been playing for over a year and still rarely fly a battleship.

Anyone whining about not having an experienced pvper giving the review has lost it.  Think about it, you don't need that kind of a perspective for a beginner to get a feel for the game.   Existing players don't need the info.

As to Jumpgate, I played it before and while I know they are updating it, it will not in my mind be in any form a competition to Eve.  Jumpgate while fun at first gets old fast, and I doubt the updated version will change that.  Nothing in that game to keep you in it long term in my opinion unless they are making drastic changes which at present I do not see.

Excellent review but new players shouldn't be scared. If they take the time to read and ask the right questions, watch a few you tube video, visit some forums, they will be PVP efficient within 2 months. Even in WOW, you're not really PVP efficient in that amount of time.

I've been playing since 2003 and made a bunch of new characters and have kept 1 very old one that I simply pay a month here and there for giggles. My new characters are usually able to PVP within the first 2 weeks and they can kick the ass of  some 30 million SP players. It really depends on how you're doing it. I've learned all these little things by documenting myself and talking with my buddies on EVE. Corps that only accept 20 mil SP characters will make exceptions if you're smart enough with them. The most powerful tool is to be smart about what you're doing.

As for the Market, Laura wouldn't be able to fully review the market if she doesn't actually do it for like a month or so. You can't just jump in EVE and start reviewing everything by the surface... seriously, the market is dull at first sight then you dig deeper and start noticing that it's as complex as real economics lol

 Shark, again, if the person knows what he's doing, he can jump in a battleship within a few month and be efficient. Their is no right and wrong really, BS is also a good way to make money in L3 and L4 (solo)... However, yes, the new players should stick with smaller ships. It's actually way better to go from Cruiser to tech 2 cruiser then battleships. (you get a better ships that doesn't require MORE advance weapon and tanking skills)

Originally posted by Kryogenic

Does EVE really need another review? Does it really deserve a 2 part review?

It really hasn't changed that much. The graphics overhaul just wasn't as great as it was played out to be and the gameplay is still stale.

The game is so boring that, when I won a free month of gametime, I logged in like twice and not for very long. I then forgot about the game until my free month was up and my account was charged a fee for the next month of play. I promptly canceled again, for the 3rd and final time.

I've been gaming online for years and have played tons of games, at length. That being said, I really don't think that EVE deserves the coverage and hype that it gets. I understand that this is my opinion. I know that many on this site disagree, but it just seems like this site is a bit too EVE-centric sometimes.

I frequent alot of gaming sites and forums and this is the only site where people that don't like EVE get slagged down by the people that like the game. The people that like the game insult the people that don't and question their intelligence because they don't like the game.

 

So we can put each other at the same level. I've just quitted EVE since these days I'm too busy to play a game like that. Is EVE my actual favorit game? Actually, no it's not.

So why do I praise EVE if it's not my favorit game?

EVE is technically a masterpiece. The lore is deeper then any other MMO, the science, the mystery and world is more alive then any other game out there, the meaning of a true persistent world is EVE. In a game like wow, you can't leave your mark in the game, in EVE... if you take the time to explore the actual EVE rift and fly for few hours towards the gate, you'll notice a bunch of cans... if you continue following these cans, you soon notice a beautiful setup of cans with a poem... if you take the time to read it, you'll notice that this mark is actually a tomb for someone that died 2 years ago. A bunch of players decided to take a moment and make a monument to their lost mate. 2 years ago mate... still there and shining.

I admit that the new graphic engine is really good but not as good as I actually expected however, it's much nicer then anything else around. What do you expect, it's space... you won't see a fountain with little birds but what you see is extremely nice.

I will admit that we tend to think as us EVE player being superior to any other MMO players. You know, in a way, I don't blame them. All we get is people saying: "EVE IS BORING! and EVE SUCKS"

Our best defense is the complexity and maturity of the game. Sure you'll find the young kids and big mouth on EVE but in general, you'll meet a much more mature crowd. In my corp, most of the guys have university degrees and alot of culture, they are all very respectable people. I'm not saying that we're not dumb... :P We do like the occasional sex joke and do make funky noises on vent. However, it's the first game where most of the people I've met are really more mature in general. I guess, EVE attracts that type of crowd and obviously, we tend to be proud.

quote "I never watched Star Trek, or even the original Star Wars movies..."unquote...how old ARE you??? ...there has been some form of Star Trek from 1964 up to 1997 (at least!)...not to mention Star Wars (1976~1983)...and points beyond...and I can't even begin to list all the space-based games BEFORE 'EVE'...where ya been girl?!?!?

Nice article.
Well done.
Personally I began playing Eve back in 2004-2005.I stopped 2-3 times due to money issues($15/month is not cheap),but each time I have come back and now I am kinda addicted to Eve.
PVE is fun and is a good way to get Isk.
PVP,I don't have much experience with it but being member of TGrads,I know I will soon see plenty of PVP :)

Should have also mentioned that EVE is a developer sanctioned RMT game now where players can buy EVE time game cards and trade them in game for isk(coin) and items.

A lot of gamers such as myself don't approve of this possibility being sanctioned and offered directly by the game developers because we want to play and compete on a fair level playing field where players are supposed to earn everything thru expended effort in game, not by using real money to buy advantages.

Originally posted by Samuraisword

Should have also mentioned that EVE is a developer sanctioned RMT game now where players can buy EVE time game cards and trade them in game for isk(coin) and items.

A lot of gamers such as myself don't approve of this possibility being sanctioned and offered directly by the game developers because we want to play and compete on a fair level playing field where players are supposed to earn everything thru expended effort in game, not by using real money to buy advantages.

You might be against it or for it... The reality is this, if you buy a timecard, you buy it from an official EVE reseller or CCP itself. Therefore, the money goes directly to CCP. Goldfarmers in other MMO are selling money for real life money which is not the case in EVE.

You want to compete on a fair level?

So let's see, if I sell a timecard, I make about 350 million ISK. If I do trades, I do about 1 to 2 billion isk within 1 week. If I sell a timecard, I help someone that wants to play EVE but that might not have 15$ per month... The money still goes to CCP.

So what's the big issue here? I can still buy a carrier by doing trades or by selling timecards... only difference is one will come out of my own pocket and the other will simply take a few more days. You don'tneed to be rich to compete, you just need to be smart.

Here's a different perspective :)

While not stating any numbers, I make alot of money and paying 15$ is not a big deal. A few months ago, I had 2 corp mates that simply didn't have the cash to pay for an extra month. So I made them a deal that could benefit both them and I. I got them a 3 month timecard for half the market price. So I made about 300M Isk or so per tiemcard. It only took them 1 week to make that amount of isk and none of them are traders.

To counter, it's easy to make isk in EVE if you're at least somewhat creative. If you feel you need to work for hours a day before you can enjoy a game, sure you can run missions and rat. However, I spend maybe 30 minutes every day or two to fund everything I need. At 10 months playing I can buy my own carrier + skills if I wanted to. There's even research alts that passively make you isk. Since money is just switching between players, the economy is not effected.

The difference between someone getting isk for their money and me getting isk for datacores I passively gain from my research alts is minimal, at best. All I see it as is another option instead of killing the same boring mobs for hours a day.

Originally posted by SolarTiger

quote "I never watched Star Trek, or even the original Star Wars movies..."unquote...how old ARE you??? ...there has been some form of Star Trek from 1964 up to 1997 (at least!)...not to mention Star Wars (1976~1983)...and points beyond...and I can't even begin to list all the space-based games BEFORE 'EVE'...where ya been girl?!?!?

The first sci-fi TV show/movie that I liked was Firefly.  Until then, I was busy reading fantasy novels, I guess! ;)

Originally posted by unherdninja

 

Originally posted by Kyleran

 

{ Mod Edit }

As to those who would prefer a seasoned PVP veteran write a review, nothing's stopping you, feel free to post away.  MMORPG can't help it if they don't have staffers who are seasoned vets in every game.

Besides, reviews generally written to entice new players to join a game, and this one covers the basics that every noob wants to know. 

No point it describing life in Fleet Battleship wars that a player won't see for 6 months anyways. (besides, then you have to tell them about lag, blobs and the "fun" of gatecamping.

Over all, a decent review, and I'll look forward to the next one.

 

No effence but this is why we need seasoned veteran's writing the reveiw's. What you just said right there is completly false and is why alotof people get turned away from EVE because of these MMO site's that dont play past 2 week's. A new pilot can get into 0.0 pvp fleet battle's within 3 week's. This is why EVE is so great because you dont need to spend 6 mounth's-a year before the fun starts. Im sorry but please dont say thing's that are untrue.

 

(I am going by my own experiences in the game over a 7 mounth period)

I've been playing for about 4 1/2 months :)  And I agree, you CAN start fleet battles on DAY ONE, even!

Originally posted by Kyleran

 

{ Mod Edit }

As to those who would prefer a seasoned PVP veteran write a review, nothing's stopping you, feel free to post away.  MMORPG can't help it if they don't have staffers who are seasoned vets in every game.

Besides, reviews generally written to entice new players to join a game, and this one covers the basics that every noob wants to know. 

No point it describing life in Fleet Battleship wars that a player won't see for 6 months anyways. (besides, then you have to tell them about lag, blobs and the "fun" of gatecamping.

Over all, a decent review, and I'll look forward to the next one.

 

they need more

i would like to see npc wars, and other events or mini games etc to give you more to do then just fly around or fight rats. yeah you got pvp but you have down sides to it and then hours of grind to recover from the faction penalities, or gate campping in 0.0 space

look at what you do when playing the game later on

fun? not really

other things they can do is new skills, new ship mods and, new ship models, new weapons (a new damage type might do alot to further this end)

I HATE EVE. I've been playing for over 14 months with my main char and have a second of 5 months and i cant stop playing. Even my GF has 2 chars and the most technical game she played before EVE was Crash Banicoot. Now we argue every day as to who's turn it is on the comp. Not only dos this game cost me 4 monthly payments but now is going to cost me the price of a second comp.

On a more serious note what makes EVE for me more than the game play is the comunity, I love how u can chat to everyone in local space and have chat channels to talk to ur friends even if they are at the other side of EVE. Also the fact that EVE is on one server so u have the chance to meet everbody that is online playing the game not just the people on ur server. I'm a noob to the life of MMO's so I'm sure some one will say "Oh u can do all that on this game or that game" So far I've played Guild Wars, WOW and EVE. And in my opinion EVE wins hands down.

Nice review, hope to POD u soon lol

The idea which PvP yield better rewards is about as presponderous to me as the concept of raiding in EQ.

It also explain why I would NEVER even try a trial of such a lousy game.

If you need to give more rewards to players for them to PvP, then your core design is flawed beyond repair.

Originally posted by Anofalye

The idea which PvP yield better rewards is about as presponderous to me as the concept of raiding in EQ.

 

It also explain why I would NEVER even try a trial of such a lousy game.

 

If you need to give more rewards to players for them to PvP, then your core design is flawed beyond repair.

Hm, maybe I conveyed it wrong; it's risk vs reward, not reward for PVP.  I am sure there are players who make a lot of ISK for PVP, but there are also many who PVE to support their PVP habbits.

PVP is a METHOD of high reward for pirates and corps, but a lot of ISK comes from PVE.  What I meant by risk vs reward was that your PVE rewards are much higher in 0.0 space, where there's a chance of getting jumped by pirates or another corp.

This review was brought up on the general forums of EVE (http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=704282), I'll just re-post here what I posted in that thread:

*** All in all a very good summary of this game, some things are inaccurated but the majority is a good view from a fairly new players perspective, I'm sure.

Something for CCP to take note of tho, is when she describes the community:
During my first 14 days of gameplay I was lucky enough to find a group of people committed to helping newbies. I had, in an ignorant sort of way, assumed this was the norm for the EVE community…boy was I wrong.

This is something we often see on these forums too. "Man I was just scammed!", "Evil pirates make low-sec impossible to play", "suicide ganking cry cry". The devs have posted multiple times on these forums that EVE is a 'dark' environment, that it's bit of an anarchy. For experienced EVE players this is nothing new, but obviously this isn't clear for those that start this game, and might in fact give it poor reputation.

It seems to me that CCP might consider making it more clear to players that this game is what you make it to. It's not very 'friendly', but that doesn't make the community 'unfriendly'. ***

And just to add in here on MMORPG, as an old time mmo-gamer and member; it shouldn't be listed as a con that you're likely to be scammed or shot down etc. That's one of the pros in EVE. In how many games do you have the option to go about and live as a pirate, that dedicate their life to steal and plunder, and still get away with it? And in how many games can you go on to be anti-pirate? This game give alot of options that other games doesn't.

EVE gives alot of options when it comes to economy and diplomacy, even players not directly involved in the big matters are still always affected by what other players do. To the pros and cons list, it should be noted on the +list that EVE actually let's you do whatever you want.

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Originally posted by Mymh
This is something we often see on these forums too. "Man I was just scammed!", "Evil pirates make low-sec impossible to play", "suicide ganking cry cry". The devs have posted multiple times on these forums that EVE is a 'dark' environment, that it's bit of an anarchy. For experienced EVE players this is nothing new, but obviously this isn't clear for those that start this game, and might in fact give it poor reputation.

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I Would like to expand on that post.

A common misconception is, that the one who just killed you dislikes you or just is someone who likes to grief newbies.
Truth is, if you are in an area where you should not be (in 0.0 space without an alliance for example), the inhabitants will remove you from there. That has nothing to do with hostility towards you personally, but because they want the territory free of potential dangers.
If you get killed in lowsec, then it's mostly because either the killer is a pirate and lives from the loot, or the player belongs to a group who need to secure somehing and shoot at anyone suspicious.

But getting shot is not a personal attack against you as a player. I have killed countless newbies in their frigates, destroyers and cruisers, because they were in my systems. Some convoed me and asked why i killed them, so i told them. And more importantly: what they did wrong. This is common practice amongst many greater alliances, some even give you enough money to buy a new ship. (Btw. i do that with the ones not insulting me of course..hatemail is just a piece of entertainment and will never be taken seriously)

Understanding the point of view of your oponents is important in Eve. If you just call your enemy a brainless griefer who needs to push his ego, instead of understanding what got him to shoot you in the first place (there is always a reason why someone opens fire. Nobody takes the risk and shoots at random people!), you are denying yourself a great part of eve.

So, if you want to rate Eves community, you should realize that people can shoot each other and still chat about how great the fight was afterwards. We do that with Tri a lot..

I'd rate the community with a 6. CAOD has been mentioned earlier in this thread, the latest goon vs. bob smacktalk-escapade and the fact, that metagaming is strong amongst most alliances (our ts has been ddos'd how many times again?) really destroy a great part of the fun. Stealing real life pictures out ot private forums to make insulting forum signatures out of them and many similar things have happened in the past and are happening. It's just not funny anymore.
On the opposite, you have great things like Eve University, or the Eve Cementary (where the corpses of fallen warriors are buried), or the Eve Fanfest. The way the Devs interact with the community is nearly perfect, the tools generated by players are numerous (Evemon, EFT, the eve-dev killboards, EveTube, Eve-Files etc.), the videos created very professional and interesting. The roleplaying is great (CVA vs. UK), the community in most alliances and corps very helpful (free ships for newbies anyone?).

Overall, the community is great, but the smacktalkers and griefers stand out much more, and ruin large parts of alliance warfare. You can not start a single thread on CAOD without getting flamed, no matter what the topic is.

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