I had stopped playing mmo's for a long time, because quite honestly - once you've played for as long as I have you get sick of leveling up a new toon in a new game.

I have found a game that's cheap, made by Western dev's, team based and FUN FUN FUN.

Warning it's focus is on pvp, so carebears won't like it.

It's called,  Savage 2

Just google it and try it out.

5 hour free demo and it's great for casual play or the hardcore die hard fan.

5 hours? lol

Do you mean you played for 5 hours or the demo only gave you 5 hours to try the game ?

Savage 2 is a great game, better than the first.  You might want to check out that time limit.  I believe it is 5 days.  I played it for 2 days and bought the game.  It only cost $29.99 and no fee to play online.  The setup is similar to the BF series, but even better.  It adds an RTS system to it where you have to build up techs and control gold mines to be able to buy those techs.

This games seems alot like Natural Selection

Its a horrible game, and you might want to check yourself. It is a 5 hour trial.

I am installing it now :P downloaded at 8mb/sec from EU server, really nice :)

http://pc.ign.com/articles/850/850481p1.html Review

Originally posted by Defect

Its a horrible game, and you might want to check yourself. It is a 5 hour trial.

I stand corrected, it is 5 hours.  Horrible game?  I think not, unless you just suck at playing it.

But it's not an MMOG, right? it's just a multiplayer game.

Originally posted by altairzq

But it's not an MMOG, right? it's just a multiplayer game.

Correct, it is like the Battlefield series, but is a fantasy genre.

I take this post as proof that enjoying grind games is not opinion, but rather the sign of an immature gamer.  Enjoying the greater games that give you freedom is something that all the carebears will come to enjoy eventually.

Originally posted by Scottc

I take this post as proof that enjoying grind games is not opinion, but rather the sign of an immature gamer.  Enjoying the greater games that give you freedom is something that all the carebears will come to enjoy eventually.

???????????

Freedom to grind?????

Are you for real? Freedom in an artificial world and gaming environment? Boy have they got you suckered.

I'll tell you what Scottc you take your virtual world and enjoy it, play it everyday - reach max level - make your "psydo" friends online and pretend you are "powerful" and have an amazing life. But at the end of the day, you've wasted a year of your life and accomplished nothing of any significance. Nothing.

If you have convinced yourself otherwise you need to reevaulate your priorities in life.

S2 is a wonderful game, that allows you to be as hard core or as casual as you want. You play matches with teams and you can usually play a game in 30 mins to an hour.

I am very successful in my career, I'm working towards my blackbelt in kickboxing and I have a wonderful loving girlfriend.

I'll take my freedom over yours anyday.

Originally posted by Scottc

I take this post as proof that enjoying grind games is not opinion, but rather the sign of an immature gamer.  Enjoying the greater games that give you freedom is something that all the carebears will come to enjoy eventually.

Scottc, it's not a mmorpg and I don't think anyone here was comparing it to one.  About as close as it gets to being similar to an mmog is it's like jumping into lets say a WoW BG.. except better.  I like FPS' and RTS' and this has a little of both.  I've played almost every mmog on the market to date, either in beta, free trial or release and there is nothing out there that I enjoy at this time.  So this is a great game to pass the time until a good mmog is released.

Savage 2 has a thread in the "Off-Topic Discussion"-section: While you wait for Warhammer, play Savage 2!!!.