WAR (Warhammer Online)

Right theres a HUGE misonseption that WAR is strictly PVP rewarded by endgame.. Lets go over what we know so far:

RVR doesn't equal to PVP, it's a mixture of both: What it basically means is that your race/facton are all working towards a common goal, thats all. Yes this does mean endgame does feature PVP but that also means PVE is important as well..

What does WAR offer in PVE? Well on the PVE side you do get to use the Tome by just generally killing mobs and that unlocks the Trophies, but that can be also done by exploring HOWEVER that can lead onto Prize/Christmas quests you just randonally come cross a NPC that just rewards you for finding it.. woot!

The whole 'kill/collect' system has been revamped as well, things logically drop the logically item it should, do goblins all have noses? yes? so they'll drop a nose every time (unless you smash it into their face.. possibily but unlikly)... Plus they'll drop noses even if you don't need the nose it'll drop none the less, someone will possibily need the nose later so you'll get it no matte if you need it now or not, even killing a goblin is credited even if it isn't flagged up for a quest someone in that zone will reward you for the killing now when you find them.. kinda like WoW's rep quests but for EVERY quest.

One BIG thing that the game offers in the PVE area is the public quest system, you've seen an ingame event before either it being a GM event or somthing like AQ's/Naxx's opening, well think about somthing like that in every zone (yes EVERY zone), do you need to join a raid group to do it? nope, you'll get rewarded just for turning up and smacking things in the face, woot! Does this 'replace' raiding in WAR? Thats up in the air but either way raiding is in in some form.

Grated the above things also work in the PVP areas for the zome however...

Now question pops up that do the later zones require you to PVP? Answer is no, theres more PVP activitated areas yes but theres still a few PVE areas besides it's just the same as having a contested area in other MMOs expect this has better 'safe zones'.

Now going back to the starting isue does 'endgame' with city raids purly equal just pvp? From reports it's 70% PVP, yes however theres a few collection quests reported to happen during the event to either support the city or aid in it's capture plus there has been a mention that the captured city itself will 'unlock' more PVE things and more public quests to do.

So going over it yes the game does favour PVP more then the likes of EQ or WoW however it quite happly caters for the PVE crowd too..Is WAR a PVP centered game? No, it's RVR, which requires the PVE effort just as much as PVP

Actually how Mythic thinks of RvR they don't think of PvP with PvE mixed in it. RvR to them means Rea;m vs Realm and PvP means Person vs Person. IE they aren't going for 1 on 1 fights, they don't give a rats patootie about one on one fights. They are looking at it from at minimum and group on group afair.

Any word on the type of PvE its going to have?  Are the "dungeons" going to be insteanced (like WoW) or open (like EQ2) or are they even going to have dungeons at all ( crazy I know).  I havent been able to find hardly any literature right now, and if anyone else has please let me know. 

Personally I am hoping they're more like EQ2, because WoW instances are sooo cookie cutter.  By that I mean you have to have 5 people every single time with the same cookie cutter makeups (1 tank 3 dps 1 healer).  In EQ2 you can run with almost any combination, or even with just 2 or 3 players instead of a full 6 in a group every single time.  A lot more flexibility that way. 

Anyway hope this wasn't a hijack.  Thought it was fitting for the whole lot of pve thing. 

Let's keep it simple please.

Is there ANY loot reserved to PvP, RvR, Raiding or awarded inside PvP zone exclusively?

If so, please explain the nature of the loot, and why would a PvE-grouper wouldn't care?  Would I miss any HPs?  Any stats?  Any power?

PS: I don't want to raid.  I don't want to PvP.  I don't want to RvR.  But I want to be the BEST in PvE-groups.  Can I even dream or like EQ/DAoC/WoW, this game isn't worth a second look?

From what I understand and have seen through podcasts ect there will be a form of raiding but it wont produce uber leet gear like WoW. Instancing will be held to a minimum. If I remember right there is a podcast that mentions only end quest bosses ect will be instanced. I doubt the PvP and PvE gear will varry greatly. Mythic has flat out said they want you to be able to do what you want. PvE or PvP at any time. This to me would mean the gear is verry similar. Do some reading/watching pod casts on the Tomb of Knowledge. That right there is a PvE'ers dream. Titles, rewards ect for thousands of things. A tracker that say you kill 1,000 goblins and THEN find a quest that wants you to kill 900. Guess what? Your done with that quest. You wont need to go kill 900 more goblins (though there may be a reward for you doing so).

Originally posted by kintrik

Actually how Mythic thinks of RvR they don't think of PvP with PvE mixed in it. RvR to them means Rea;m vs Realm and PvP means Person vs Person. IE they aren't going for 1 on 1 fights, they don't give a rats patootie about one on one fights. They are looking at it from at minimum and group on group afair.

As explained in the first section RVR as you stated yes does mean group vs group/Faction vs faction/race vs race however as also explained many think RVR is PvP, but it isn't, but yet involes both types in it's consept as to working towards that RVR goal not just one or the other.

Originally posted by jaxontyler

Any word on the type of PvE its going to have?  Are the "dungeons" going to be insteanced (like WoW) or open (like EQ2) or are they even going to have dungeons at all ( crazy I know).  I havent been able to find hardly any literature right now, and if anyone else has please let me know. 

 

Personally I am hoping they're more like EQ2, because WoW instances are sooo cookie cutter.  By that I mean you have to have 5 people every single time with the same cookie cutter makeups (1 tank 3 dps 1 healer).  In EQ2 you can run with almost any combination, or even with just 2 or 3 players instead of a full 6 in a group every single time.  A lot more flexibility that way. 

 

Anyway hope this wasn't a hijack.  Thought it was fitting for the whole lot of pve thing. 

 

As far as we know the Public Quests are all open world events, there hasn't been any information that any instanced raid dungeons will be part of the main game as PQs are generally the main idea for raiding within WAR. However there has been a bit of mention that there may be some smaller PVE instances, but due to the responce both players wanting more open world content, I think the main focus as said will stay with PQs for PVE.

Originally posted by Anofalye

Let's keep it simple please.

 

Is there ANY loot reserved to PvP, RvR, Raiding or awarded inside PvP zone exclusively?

 

If so, please explain the nature of the loot, and why would a PvE-grouper wouldn't care?  Would I miss any HPs?  Any stats?  Any power?

 

PS: I don't want to raid.  I don't want to PvP.  I don't want to RvR.  But I want to be the BEST in PvE-groups.  Can I even dream or like EQ/DAoC/WoW, this game isn't worth a second look?

Note that RVR isn't optional everything you do counts towards RVR, thus is it nature, like I've always stated it's a goal involing the whole game.

On the loot side much is unknown, PQs are ment to offer the 'better' loot from impression, again I state that PQs aren't like a normal raid group, you don't require to join  a group and your not required to see the whole event through or start at the begining to get rewards, best way to explain it is that yes killing the PQ's 'boss' yeilds rewards, but by also doing the PQ quests you gain rewards and also gain 'rep' (forgot the actal term in game) by doing those quests even if it's not the the final bit  which also yieds rewards from the PQ 'hub' in that zone, much like faction rewards from other MMOs.

The stat/loot issue, again we don't know, however stats although playing a part in your character power don't play the 'I win as I have better stuff' role as it WoW for example. The skill system also plays a heaviler role in this as even tho you have TONs of skills to pick from, you can't pick them all, plus to further it you cannot use all your skills that you have picked as you have to prepare some skills before combat as the skillbar 'locks' in combat and you have limted slots, prep work is vitally important in WAR, loot doesn't matter if your not ready for combat. As with it's tabletop bit bother Warhammer is more about tactics then power.

Originally posted by xenogias

From what I understand and have seen through podcasts ect there will be a form of raiding but it wont produce uber leet gear like WoW. Instancing will be held to a minimum. If I remember right there is a podcast that mentions only end quest bosses ect will be instanced. I doubt the PvP and PvE gear will varry greatly. Mythic has flat out said they want you to be able to do what you want. PvE or PvP at any time. This to me would mean the gear is verry similar. Do some reading/watching pod casts on the Tomb of Knowledge. That right there is a PvE'ers dream. Titles, rewards ect for thousands of things. A tracker that say you kill 1,000 goblins and THEN find a quest that wants you to kill 900. Guess what? Your done with that quest. You wont need to go kill 900 more goblins (though there may be a reward for you doing so).

After DAoC, I need a stronger commitment toward PvE-grouping.  I don't want another Gaheris or RvR setting.

You all say that you don't know.  Insufficient before I commit myself to grouping in a game, I need the commitment of the devs, that grouping PvE won't miss ANYTHING, loot-wise, that could help them, in PvE-groups.

Originally posted by xenogias

From what I understand and have seen through podcasts ect there will be a form of raiding but it wont produce uber leet gear like WoW. Instancing will be held to a minimum. If I remember right there is a podcast that mentions only end quest bosses ect will be instanced. I doubt the PvP and PvE gear will varry greatly. Mythic has flat out said they want you to be able to do what you want. PvE or PvP at any time. This to me would mean the gear is verry similar. Do some reading/watching pod casts on the Tomb of Knowledge. That right there is a PvE'ers dream. Titles, rewards ect for thousands of things. A tracker that say you kill 1,000 goblins and THEN find a quest that wants you to kill 900. Guess what? Your done with that quest. You wont need to go kill 900 more goblins (though there may be a reward for you doing so).

Yes the Tomb IS the key to the game, if anyone has played  CoX with the badge system or closer comparison still LOTRO's Deed system, you'll be on the right track however, from the impression they are giving it's got a HUGE role in the game and quite possibilt offer far more then just titles and cosmetic stuff, it may lead to rare skills or a completly rediculus weapon, no one knows, but with a whole department on just the Tomb, it's bound to be much more then a side effort.