Originally posted by Naryysys

I bought my rig about a year ago and I can tell you it plays Crysis with high-end graphic settings.  I don't see where that qualifies under 'Buying a rig that will need upgrading to play anything beyond what was released 2 months before.'

Ok. Now please ... is there anyone that believes that ?

Originally posted by Lobotomist

 

Originally posted by Naryysys

I bought my rig about a year ago and I can tell you it plays Crysis with high-end graphic settings.  I don't see where that qualifies under 'Buying a rig that will need upgrading to play anything beyond what was released 2 months before.'

 

Ok. Now please ... is there anyone that believes that ?

Maybe he's playing FarCry and can't tell the diference?

Originally posted by Naryysys

 The Xbox was released in North America November 15, 2001 (as listed on Wikipedia).  The 360 was released in North America November 22, 2005.  That's four years.  If I keep my computer for around three years (as I generally do before thinking about doing major upgrading or buying a new one), I don't see a huge difference in the time I get from either platform.  And, as I said before, I can buy one piece of hardware as opposed to an entirely new console.

But there is still a huge difference here. Where your PC might be able to go the distance for three to four years before you do a major upgrade, the graphic quality of the games you're playing will start to fall once you reach the best your PC can do. But on the console games will only keep getting better and better graphicly, as the game designers learn to use the power of the console to its full extent. There is of course a difference from game to game, depending on how much the people behind want to focus on bringing out graphics, but the console is what sets the limit, and you will NEVER have a game that makes you think "I need to upgrade so I can see this in a higher resolution" and so on...

Originally posted by Nazaros

 

Originally posted by Infrantic

It's a damn shame that consoles are taking over!

It really creeps me out that people are willing to pay immense amounts of money for consoles and console games, when they could get like 2 PC games for the price of one console game :s

AND Keyboards >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> controllers!

What a narrow minded point of view.

 

You seem to forget that you can also have 3 consoles (the Wii, the Xbox 360 AND the PS3) for the price of ONE GOOD rig! Not to mention that you won't have to bother with compatibility problems and upgrading your video card every year (if not every 6 months) with those consoles. Add to this that most console games release a much more finish and polish product then video games on the PC 99.9% of the time.

Oh and, for you mister that hasn't arrived in the 21st century yet: You can have a USB keyboard and mouse on the 360 so, your argument is completely moot.

PC gaming is not dead, but console is the future and wether you like it or not doesn't change a damn thing.

Very well put, simple, to the point and most of all .....it is a FACT

I'm a fan of both console and PC gaming but I usually lean toward PC gaming due to MMOs, RPGs and I've always enjoyed a FPS pc game over a FPS console game.  You just can't beat the fast paced mouse+keyboard combo when it comes to fragging..

Now to the main point of my post...I upgraded..HINT..upgraded..not bought..my rig last year and can play Crysis just fine on med-high graphics.  I can turn it up to high but it crashes every hour or so.  Med-High graphics already look better than Halo 3(not that I didn't enjoy halo 3)

Also, Team Fortress 2 is a lot better on PC as the controls for the 360 just didn't seem to work to well for it...well..imo anyways

As for AOC being on 360, it will come out quite a bit after PC does so I say most will play it on PC...and if the 360 controller works better for the game..then I'll just plug in a 360 controller to my PC if thats the case..which I doubt as they'd both probably have their advantages..

I remember when FFXI was coming out for both the PC and PS2..people were saying that PC gaming would die shortly after as the console "potential" would be soon realized..

Remember, people have been saying PC gaming is going to die for years and despite that, it’s been going strong.

One last note, I did LOVE..and I mean love Mass Effect.

Don't be a fan boy, enjoy all sides of gaming.

Originally posted by Cola

Originally posted by Nazaros

 

What a narrow minded point of view.

 

You seem to forget that you can also have 3 consoles (the Wii, the Xbox 360 AND the PS3) for the price of ONE GOOD rig! So you can get a good rig fr £700 then? Not to mention that you won't have to bother with compatibility problems and upgrading your video card every year (if not every 6 months) You really have never owned a PC then Realistically a good graphics card can last as little as 1.5 years.  with those consoles. Add to this that most console games release a much more finish and polish product then video games on the PC 99.9% of the time. This is very out of date info games have much better Q&A nowadays

Oh and, for you mister that hasn't arrived in the 21st century yet: You can have a USB keyboard and mouse on the 360 so, your argument is completely moot. Yea but what console owners use Keyboards? i know of no one who does.

PC gaming is not dead, but console is the future and wether you like it or not doesn't change a damn thing.

Very well put, simple, to the point and most of all .....it is a FACT Sorry but it is not a fact it is supposition based on Biased opinion [including mine].

Ive still yet to see ONE valid argument that PC gaming is dead.

Originally posted by Lobotomist

Jackcolt

I am only PC gamer. I do not own a console. I never considered buying console up to now.

 

Massive Effect released only for consoles. Force Unleashed only for console...
Every PC game that i am anticipating - Fallout 3 , Sacred 2 , Space Siege - are made for consoles
Even AOC is made for consoles...

So I am faced with a choice - buy new PC for 1000$ - although my PC is perfect for anything except gaming at this moment.Or buy console for 250$ ?

 

I know what would average Joe choose. And I am starting to consider and consider.

I am now waiting to see how WAR and AOC pan out...to see if its even worth buying new PC

 

 

 

I dont think your information is correct. I very much doubt Fallout 3 will be released only on conslole. I doubt it will be released on consoles at all!

If what your saying is true, im gonna hang myself :/ I am a big fan of Fallout

What is the release date?
Fallout 3 will be available for PC, Xbox 360, and PLAYSTATION 3 in Fall 2008

http://fallout.bethsoft.com/eng/info/faq.html

You almost gave me a heart attack 

Now you dont have to buy a console after all

Originally posted by SonofSeth

Originally posted by Lobotomist

 

Originally posted by Naryysys

I bought my rig about a year ago and I can tell you it plays Crysis with high-end graphic settings.  I don't see where that qualifies under 'Buying a rig that will need upgrading to play anything beyond what was released 2 months before.'

 

Ok. Now please ... is there anyone that believes that ?

Maybe he's playing FarCry and can't tell the diference?

Pathetic attempt at trying to be funny. The 8800GTX came out about a 1 1/2 ago. That can max out Crysis.

Yea contrary to popular belief you don't need a liquid cooled quad core duel 8800GTX 1g system to run Crysis. In fact, I'd bet that most the folks that propagate that rumor, haven't even played the game. I'm on a far older then 2 year system myself. AMD 3500+, 1.5g DDR333, XFX 7900GS, ASUS 939 board and I can play Crysis in medium settings (volumetric clouds off,) and get about 20fps in a big fight, and as much as 40 when I'm just exploring the jungle. It's not HUGE framerates, but it's very playable on a budget system. Now, in April, I'm building a brand new monster system (tax returns ftw lol.) That'll play Crysis in tweaked Very High specs in WinXP :D

Console gaming very well does sell higher. But PC games are very often better. Graphics, gameplay, AI, control, modability, replayability, complexity, you name it. PC's trump consoles on almost every factor. I stated in the other PC gaming thread that my daughter has an Xbox360 and she's got all the important addons like extra wireless controller, wireless headset, carrying case, etc. Not to mention other accessories that are less important. HDMI conversion kit for use on our new HDTV, 150g hard drive, rock band equipment and about a dozen games over the last two years. Her console w. accessories is EASILY more expensive then my old PC and any games I buy (about 8 in the last year, which is easily double what I normally buy cause theres been so many top end PC games in the last 8 months, many of them purchased at 10% off via Steam. No tax, no shipping, etc.)

PC gaming doesn't do as well here in the US as it used to, thats for sure. But it's definitely not dead. That video form the other thread, it stated only US sales and not anything from Steam (which includes nearly every Orange Box sold.)

I like how that article said that in Europe, the PC is much stronger. Heh made me think, typically, smart people play PC games. (Not to say ONLY smart people, or that smart people don't play consoles. But many PC gamers are fairly intelligent.) Theres no denying that Europe's education system is far better then ours. Hmm.. makes you think. ;)

Originally posted by Desetes

Originally posted by SonofSeth

Originally posted by Lobotomist

 

Originally posted by Naryysys

I bought my rig about a year ago and I can tell you it plays Crysis with high-end graphic settings.  I don't see where that qualifies under 'Buying a rig that will need upgrading to play anything beyond what was released 2 months before.'

 

Ok. Now please ... is there anyone that believes that ?

Maybe he's playing FarCry and can't tell the diference?

Pathetic attempt at trying to be funny. The 8800GTX came out about a 1 1/2 ago. That can max out Crysis.

Just a funny question what do you think was full price of  8800GTX 1 1/2 years ago ?

and  answer is :

944.835 USD

Now if he actually purchased this gfx card at this price. Than WOW man ...

I guess PC gaming will never die for him !

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Originally posted by SonofSeth

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Originally posted by Lobotomist

 

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Originally posted by Naryysys

I bought my rig about a year ago and I can tell you it plays Crysis with high-end graphic settings.  I don't see where that qualifies under 'Buying a rig that will need upgrading to play anything beyond what was released 2 months before.'

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Ok. Now please ... is there anyone that believes that ?

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Maybe he's playing FarCry and can't tell the diference?

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Pathetic attempt at trying to be funny. The 8800GTX came out about a 1 1/2 ago. That can max out Crysis.

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Just a funny question what do you think was full price of  8800GTX 1 1/2 years ago ?
and  answer is :
944.835 USD
 
 
Now if he actually purchased this gfx card at this price. Than WOW man ...
I guess PC gaming will never die for him !
 
 
 

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I've got a question.... just want to understand what I'm reading. Let me state what I think I've read, see if I'm correct, then ask my questions.

Two different posts on this board. The dead-jim post has within it the NPD numbers, which is north america sales only. In that thread, we see a comparison between PC and Console sales in north america. The console was like 10 times the PC for a game like "call of duty 4". And we see from a video in that thread, talk about crysis being lower than expected etc. You got assasin's creed doing 1.8 mil, skipping the pc for a while, etc. Then everybody starts rambling about pc vs console etc.

But the numbers were north american sales numbers.

Then this thread says that a couple of titles sold 1 million copies + on the pc 'worldwide'. Actually, it says it this way:

Jensen frequently noted that Crysis was a strong performer, stating the game went "platinum," which likely means it sold a million units worldwide despite its initially modest performance in the US.

Not exactly a definate statement with a reporter interpreted phrase like "likely means"... but let's say crysis sold over a million units worldwide. According to the video in the other thread, it sold like 80k in north america.

So putting it all together:

In north america:

   call of duty for pc: 383,000

   call of duty for console: 3.8 million

   crysis for pc: 80,000

Worldwide:

   crysis for pc: 1 million plus.

Is that correct? Is that ALL the information I should be getting from the posts of numbers so far?

And I'm left with questions....

- what are the console numbers for 'worldwide' ? And I would like to know call-of-duty (console-vs-pc) numbers for worldwide... I think that would be illuminating about what's going on too. Is there an open market for consoles in europe and asia that has not yet been tapped?

- what can be drawn from the fact that 90% of the sales of crysis for the pc occured outside north america?   I mean, the original 'either-or' choice set up by these threads was pc or console. Maybe it's america-or-euro/asia? In other words, wouldn't pc devs be tempted to just create and market pc games for euro/asia ?  I mean, if 90% of my sales were coming from area X, to hell with area Y would be my first inclination....

EDIT: also, reading around in other forums... this post quoted by OP has several saying that it's 1 million 'shipped'... not 'sold'... from other links other places... still reading. Maybe we can make a definate list of numbers somewhere? I've also seen $700 emarketing research reports... maybe we could all pitch in $1 each and buy it? lol

other discussions of this at: www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php
and forum.teamxbox.com/showthread.php

Originally posted by oakae

 

The 8800gtx was actually $600 when it first came out. And there still isn't a graphics card that can truly run Crysis on it's highest settings.

 

Probably I should've worded that better.  DirectX10, my rig would not be able to run it on the the maximum, of course not.  Fortunately, I don't run that sham they call Vista and DirectX10, so I do enjoy seeing a smooth Crysis on the high-end settings.  Notice the use of high-end..  Not maximum.  I wasn't going to say maximum because I didn't mean maximum.  When I get back to my apartment in a couple days I'll list what I run it at for you.

Originally posted by Naryysys

 

Originally posted by oakae

 

The 8800gtx was actually $600 when it first came out. And there still isn't a graphics card that can truly run Crysis on it's highest settings.

 

Probably I should've worded that better.  DirectX10, my rig would not be able to run it on the the maximum, of course not.  Fortunately, I don't run that sham they call Vista and DirectX10, so I do enjoy seeing a smooth Crysis on the high-end settings.  Notice the use of high-end..  Not maximum.  I wasn't going to say maximum because I didn't mean maximum.  When I get back to my apartment in a couple days I'll list what I run it at for you.

 

Chrysis runs at DirectX9 on XP?

PC Gaming will never die. 

See what I mean? Half the people that insist you need a $3000 PC to play crysis, haven't even played it!

Yes.. you can play Crysis on a Dx9/WinXP SP2 machine :)

Huh, my 8800GTX can run Crysis on high with Vista and DirectX 10.  So, guess its performance isn't hampered too much (at least it can when my computer is working.  Frikkin power supply burned out - don't get a ThermalTake.  I was running at least 100W below what it was rated for in benchmarking, and its still dead). 

Once piracy is as simple on consoles as it is on PC's (no matter how many new consoles they bring out eventually it will always be cracked perma) consoles will die, in a month. It has no other purpose and will become redundant.

PC games that selling 1mil+ untis when you can get it for free, this just isn't going to happen with those numbers for consoles. The figures suggest that more people played cod4 on console than PC, that simply insn't a reflection of what I see at all. Nearly every single one of my freinds played cod on pc, only a handful actually bought it though.

PC's are for indepth, immersive, realistic  entertainment. Consoles are a plug n play laff with your mates before or after getting assfaced down the pub with your mates.

Originally posted by mrw0lf

Once piracy is as simple on consoles as it is on PC's (no matter how many new consoles they bring out eventually it will always be cracked perma) consoles will die, in a month. It has no other purpose and will become redundant.

PC games that selling 1mil+ untis when you can get it for free, this just isn't going to happen with those numbers for consoles. The figures suggest that more people played cod4 on console than PC, that simply insn't a reflection of what I see at all. Nearly every single one of my freinds played cod on pc, only a handful actually bought it though.

PC's are for indepth, immersive, realistic  entertainment. Consoles are a plug n play laff with your mates before or after getting assfaced down the pub with your mates.

And what makes you think they will be permabanned? I'm sure that Sony and M$ does whatever they can to keep piracy out of their consoles. And so far, they've done a pretty good job, it's only Nintendo who is in the dangerzone