Originally posted by Vrazule

 As a matter of fact, there are more subscribers to SWG now than there were before the changes.  That to me says a lot.

 lmfao!

Originally posted by Vrazule

 

Despite what the old school purists may say or believe, Pre-CU / Pre-NGE was not a great game.  It had a ton of issues and was only fun for hardcores.  As a matter of fact, there are more subscribers to SWG now than there were before the changes.  That to me says a lot.

There's a good reason why they don't revert back to the old system or offer an old school server set.

 

What's the old math professor saying ... "This isn't right.  This isn't even WRONG."

I was never close to anybody's definition of 'hardcore'.  Never pursued Jedi, never even considered the awfulness of the Hologrind.  Just found a niche I really liked and played it, enjoyed all the variety and depth, and went out PvP'ing with the true hardcores in our City when the alarm bell rang.

There are excellent reasons they don't offer an old server ... they're not investing anything in the game any more and they don't have anyone qualified to even code the old game.

If there are more subscribers than during my pre-CU days, I sure didn't see them in the last trial I tried a few months back, and nobody from the old days that *has* tried one of the trials has reported that to me.  Ghost cities, ghost planets, ghost Galaxies is what exists today.

But you know, even if it did manage to give away enough trials and sell enough Station Passes to cook the books and claim more subscribers than pre-CU, so what?  McDonald's sells more burgers than a fine restaurant, that doesn't mean I consider McDonald's better food or that I'd ever consider paying fifteen bucks for one of them.

SOE chose to take a complex sandbox and junk it for a shoddy WoW rip-off, and what a shock, most of the paying customers who wanted the complex sandbox didn't want the shoddy rip-off.  If they find a group that wants that, it won't shock me, if there's one thing our economy proves over and over again, it's that you *can* find a market for cheap crap if you package it right.

All that being said ... was the pre-CU a project managed with staggering incompetence and abysmal code quality?  Yep, always was.  The difference is that in pre-CU they were doing a lousy job of developing a product I was interested in seeing them finish, and now they're doing an even worse job on a product that never interested me a bit.

Save us Obi-wan Koster ... you're our only hope.

I for one love Mr. Koster's concepts and designs. If I ever hear his name associated with an upcoming MMO I will be a fan boi of it no matter what.

Koster is the Sid Meyer of MMORPG's.

Sadly, unlike Sid Meyers investors, MMORPG investors don't pay for new stuff... So the guys with ideas in the MMORPG business gets scr*wed.

Originally posted by wolfmann

Originally posted by Vrazule

 

Originally posted by miagisan

Originally posted by Celestian

I still don't understand why people act like this fella is some be all end all MMO guru. UO? Yeah it was ok, it's a MUD and Ultima... SWG? How many people on this site rip that game a new one daily?

I can't think of a single thing he's done for MMOs then now or between. All he seems to do is say lot of pseudo mumbo jumbo that never comes about.

the nGE yes it is ripped daily...the old game..not so much :P He designed the original...not the NGE

 

Despite what the old school purists may say or believe, Pre-CU / Pre-NGE was not a great game.  It had a ton of issues and was only fun for hardcores.  As a matter of fact, there are more subscribers to SWG now than there were before the changes.  That to me says a lot.

There's a good reason why they don't revert back to the old system or offer an old school server set.

 WOW

Originally posted by wolfmann

Koster is the Sid Meyer of MMORPG's.

Sadly, unlike Sid Meyers investors, MMORPG investors don't pay for new stuff... So the guys with ideas in the MMORPG business gets scr*wed.

I totally agree. Innovation is dead these days. Companies will not grow balls and try something different, and this is just sad :( Cause there is definitely a market, whether it be 100k - 10mil, who would gladly try something different then the tried and true EQ model.

Originally posted by Vrazule

 

Originally posted by miagisan

Originally posted by Celestian

I still don't understand why people act like this fella is some be all end all MMO guru. UO? Yeah it was ok, it's a MUD and Ultima... SWG? How many people on this site rip that game a new one daily?

I can't think of a single thing he's done for MMOs then now or between. All he seems to do is say lot of pseudo mumbo jumbo that never comes about.

the nGE yes it is ripped daily...the old game..not so much :P He designed the original...not the NGE

 

Despite what the old school purists may say or believe, Pre-CU / Pre-NGE was not a great game.  It had a ton of issues and was only fun for hardcores.  As a matter of fact, there are more subscribers to SWG now than there were before the changes.  That to me says a lot.

Originally posted by salvaje

 

Originally posted by Vrazule

 

Originally posted by miagisan

Originally posted by Celestian

I still don't understand why people act like this fella is some be all end all MMO guru. UO? Yeah it was ok, it's a MUD and Ultima... SWG? How many people on this site rip that game a new one daily?

I can't think of a single thing he's done for MMOs then now or between. All he seems to do is say lot of pseudo mumbo jumbo that never comes about.

the nGE yes it is ripped daily...the old game..not so much :P He designed the original...not the NGE

 

Despite what the old school purists may say or believe, Pre-CU / Pre-NGE was not a great game.  It had a ton of issues and was only fun for hardcores.  As a matter of fact, there are more subscribers to SWG now than there were before the changes.  That to me says a lot.

 

 

lol, nice one salvaje, this is an odd situation where im forced to side with NGE haters lol.

On a side note, about your sig :P, Some Pre-CU vets are helping to "save" swg by playing it, you seem to have some incorrect information seeing as our servers are actually noticeably getting fuller, no surprise there since the game is getting better, and get over exactly what? or were you refering to yourself?

Originally posted by miagisan

TE: One has to wonder if your emphasis on user creation and, one infers, user ownership is in any way in response to the SWG debacle you've been both so vocal and so circumspect about. Are you trying to allow users to create a world no one will be able to take away from them?

RK: It isn't any sort of reaction to Galaxies, I don't think. It doesn't have anything much to do with that. If there is a way in which it relates to Galaxies it would be this: The market is very much narrowing into a particular gameplay style, right? Even though I'm very gratified when I see something people made fun of getting adopted into other MMOGs, like I'm really glad to see the musicianship system in Lord of the Rings Online. It is the step beyond the Galaxies, one that we couldn't take because of lawyers. Or the amount of dancing emotes that are in World of Warcraft, when before SWG everyone was making fun of us for dancing. Some of these things are sneaking in, but at the same time the overall gameplay really has narrowed into kind of a lack of variety, honestly.Despite occasional things like EVE and Puzzle Pirates, by and large they play mostly the same. To my mind, Galaxies had a different vibe to it, and part of the thing here would be to see different vibes. I think if we can open up MMOG creation to a wider array of people and influences, I think we'll see a much more interesting gaming library.

 

 

But seriously, I think Raph is spot on with this statement.

Originally posted by saay

 

Originally posted by salvaje

 

Originally posted by Vrazule

 

Originally posted by miagisan

Originally posted by Celestian

I still don't understand why people act like this fella is some be all end all MMO guru. UO? Yeah it was ok, it's a MUD and Ultima... SWG? How many people on this site rip that game a new one daily?

I can't think of a single thing he's done for MMOs then now or between. All he seems to do is say lot of pseudo mumbo jumbo that never comes about.

the nGE yes it is ripped daily...the old game..not so much :P He designed the original...not the NGE

 

Despite what the old school purists may say or believe, Pre-CU / Pre-NGE was not a great game.  It had a ton of issues and was only fun for hardcores.  As a matter of fact, there are more subscribers to SWG now than there were before the changes.  That to me says a lot.

 

 

 

lol, nice one salvaje, this is an odd situation where im forced to side with NGE haters lol.

On a side note, about your sig :P, Some Pre-CU vets are helping to "save" swg by playing it, you seem to have some incorrect information seeing as our servers are actually noticeably getting fuller, no surprise there since the game is getting better, and get over exactly what? or were you refering to yourself?

You get a Baghdad Bob as well for that:

Ok, I think this needs to be said. While I'm a huge fan of Raph and the work he has done, his current train of thought considering RMT and micro-transactions is a bit scary. He actually sounds alot like John Smedly when it comes to that particular subject. It's almost like you can see the dollar signs in his eyes. Don't get me wrong, I've done alot of research into Koster, own his book, and generally like nearly everything he's done, it's just the RMT thing just floored me. Many, many people in the industry think that everything should be on a micro-transaction model, inlucing Koster, which I and many of my fellow gamers dislike.

Originally posted by Fishermage

It's Koster

Bah... my mistake

EDIT: I blame it on donuts by the way. Way to much sugar in them and I love them... weeee.

The Second Day Vet

Originally posted by Vrazule

 

Originally posted by miagisan

Originally posted by Celestian

I still don't understand why people act like this fella is some be all end all MMO guru. UO? Yeah it was ok, it's a MUD and Ultima... SWG? How many people on this site rip that game a new one daily?

I can't think of a single thing he's done for MMOs then now or between. All he seems to do is say lot of pseudo mumbo jumbo that never comes about.

the nGE yes it is ripped daily...the old game..not so much :P He designed the original...not the NGE

 

Despite what the old school purists may say or believe, Pre-CU / Pre-NGE was not a great game.  It had a ton of issues and was only fun for hardcores.  As a matter of fact, there are more subscribers to SWG now than there were before the changes.  That to me says a lot.

There's a good reason why they don't revert back to the old system or offer an old school server set.

Oh and as for Raph, he's nothing more than a "Brad McQuaid" of the sci-fi mmo.  Old school, outdated, outmoded and generally unwanted in the genre.

Speak for yourself there bro. The sheer amount of people that left around cu and nge proves you wrong. Was pre-cu buggy? yes. But it was the best damn social system i have ever seen to date. Theres a reason theres so many people are still pissed about it.

"As a matter of fact, there are more subscribers to SWG now than there were before the changes. "  Sorry to say, but this is a downright lie. And usually I do not want to call a person out like that but when something is pure fact, it tends to slam down the hammer. I can prove it to you too. But there are already a billion posts like that around here.

Originally posted by Dracis

Ok, I think this needs to be said. While I'm a huge fan of Raph and the work he has done, his current train of thought considering RMT and micro-transactions is a bit scary. He actually sounds alot like John Smedly when it comes to that particular subject. It's almost like you can see the dollar signs in his eyes. Don't get me wrong, I've done alot of research into Koster, own his book, and generally like nearly everything he's done, it's just the RMT thing just floored me. Many, many people in the industry think that everything should be on a micro-transaction model, inlucing Koster, which I and many of my fellow gamers dislike.

Although I don't know that much about Koster I certainly have to agree with you Dracis. I too am shocked and dismayed by his support of RMT's.

Originally posted by Vrazule

 

Originally posted by miagisan

Originally posted by Celestian

I still don't understand why people act like this fella is some be all end all MMO guru. UO? Yeah it was ok, it's a MUD and Ultima... SWG? How many people on this site rip that game a new one daily?

I can't think of a single thing he's done for MMOs then now or between. All he seems to do is say lot of pseudo mumbo jumbo that never comes about.

the nGE yes it is ripped daily...the old game..not so much :P He designed the original...not the NGE

 

Despite what the old school purists may say or believe, Pre-CU / Pre-NGE was not a great game.  It had a ton of issues and was only fun for hardcores.  As a matter of fact, there are more subscribers to SWG now than there were before the changes.  That to me says a lot.

There's a good reason why they don't revert back to the old system or offer an old school server set.

Oh and as for Raph, he's nothing more than a "Brad McQuaid" of the sci-fi mmo.  Old school, outdated, outmoded and generally unwanted in the genre.

target playerbase in action... more fun to troll than to play isn't it?

Originally posted by Suvroc

Originally posted by Dracis

Ok, I think this needs to be said. While I'm a huge fan of Raph and the work he has done, his current train of thought considering RMT and micro-transactions is a bit scary. He actually sounds alot like John Smedly when it comes to that particular subject. It's almost like you can see the dollar signs in his eyes. Don't get me wrong, I've done alot of research into Koster, own his book, and generally like nearly everything he's done, it's just the RMT thing just floored me. Many, many people in the industry think that everything should be on a micro-transaction model, inlucing Koster, which I and many of my fellow gamers dislike.

Although I don't know that much about Koster I certainly have to agree with you Dracis. I too am shocked and dismayed by his support of RMT's.

No matter how much we all hate SOE, let's hope they eventually fail at the RMT business too. Smedly is already going around like a kid in a candy store about how much EQ2 players are already spending (on average $133) above their regular subscription fees. Many, many other companies are looking at this business model. No matter if you hate SW:G or love it, this should be a major issue for all of us, because what these people want to do is to make us pay extra for what we already get with our monthly subscriptions.

Anybody who seriously states that the population of SWG is bigger now than it was before the CU is nuttier than Britney Spears.

Tbh i'm not buying anything from LA or SOE ever again.

Originally posted by Celestian

I still don't understand why people act like this fella is some be all end all MMO guru. UO? Yeah it was ok, it's a MUD and Ultima... SWG? How many people on this site rip that game a new one daily?

I can't think of a single thing he's done for MMOs then now or between. All he seems to do is say lot of pseudo mumbo jumbo that never comes about.

To some he's a gaming god..to me he's a telentless old hack who's one gem happened eons ago in gaming terms much like Brad Mquaid and his "vision" these people need to realise that gaming and MMO's in particular have moved on from thier time