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  User Deleted
1/28/08 2:52:00 AM#21

Originally posted by SioBabble

The other catch with trying to assert constitutional rights on private entities (even corporations, which are legally creations of the state and thus subject to the laws of the state to a degree that individuals are not) is that the corporations have much deeper pockets for litigation than most individuals do.


I think if a bunch of people are still pissed at SOE.. that would be the point more or less.

The more money they spend due to this type of thing... the less profit they make.

In the long run the only thing that gets Corporates attention is.. money.

Not something I'm interested in doing.. just saying.. if I was.. its the money it would cost them that would be the point to me.

  Raston

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1/28/08 8:52:07 AM#22

The problem with case law is that it isn't 'real' law and can be countermanded at any time by any court.  All case law is, is the CURRENT interpertation of the law and its application, not yesterday's or tomorrow's, but today's and it subject to change at any given point.

As for the corporate thing, no.  All the paperwork to form a corporation does is create it as an 'virtual' person.  It doesn't make them a governmental organization, but a person.  They are not subject to the same limitations of government and are afforded the rights of individuals (including the right to pay taxes, to sue and be sued and others).

  SioBabble

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1/28/08 2:24:28 PM#23

Originally posted by Raston

The problem with case law is that it isn't 'real' law and can be countermanded at any time by any court.  All case law is, is the CURRENT interpertation of the law and its application, not yesterday's or tomorrow's, but today's and it subject to change at any given point.

As for the corporate thing, no.  All the paperwork to form a corporation does is create it as an 'virtual' person.  It doesn't make them a governmental organization, but a person.  They are not subject to the same limitations of government and are afforded the rights of individuals (including the right to pay taxes, to sue and be sued and others).


Corporations are utter fictions. The State can, if it so desires, erase them from the universe with the stroke of a pen.

Which is why it is imperative for corporations to seek to control that penstroke by whatever means is necessary.

CH, Jedi, Commando, Smuggler, BH, Scout, Doctor, Chef, BE...yeah, lots of SWG time invested.

Once a denizen of Ahazi

  saay

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1/28/08 2:40:57 PM#24

Can i get a link to this? this doesnt sound like the community i play with, but theres always some i guess. The block thing is bound to cause a bit of a stir at first, because of the amount of players it affects, but people are starting to realise that it isnt such a huge thing, and that its a good thing becuase it was a bit overpowered beforehand -block suits are still very viable in PvP and PvE, its not as though they are useless now.

  User Deleted
1/28/08 3:39:34 PM#25

Originally posted by saay

Can i get a link to this? this doesnt sound like the community i play with, but theres always some i guess. The block thing is bound to cause a bit of a stir at first, because of the amount of players it affects, but people are starting to realise that it isnt such a huge thing, and that its a good thing becuase it was a bit overpowered beforehand -block suits are still very viable in PvP and PvE, its not as though they are useless now.


If people truly want to know the state of the game and its community, all they need to do is go read the official forums for a week or two.  I've read many, many negative posts there in the last few weeks.  Quite often, posts start off with a simple request to fix something about the game and devolve into "if you don't like it gtfo noob" or other colorful comments.  The reason you don't see this negativity is because you choose not to see it.  Rest assured, however, others can and do see it and it paints a very poor image of the game and the general attitude of  its current playerbase.

By the way, you might want to remind all those guys on the official forums that their forums are currently  public and everything they say there, negative or otherwise, has the potential to attract or drive away more customers than anything we say on a forum such as this.  When people want to know what's happening in WoW they go to worldofwarcraft.com.  When they want to know what's happening in Star Wars Galaxies, they go to starwarsgalaxies.com.  Only a handful would come to a site like mmorpg instead of the main site when researching a game they're interested in playing.

  Raston

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1/28/08 3:42:15 PM#26

guess I'm weird. I always come here to research my games :)

  murphys123

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1/28/08 3:53:02 PM#27

And those people are left with their extremely unpopulated duct taped version of an MMO. Most of whom are in denial and come across laughable to the majority of people who want nothing more than SWG to be a successful game. Let them have their game...If the vast community (who now represents those no longer playing) would of been listened to, there might still be a worthwhile game out to play. I would love to see SWG make a comeback, but your post is just another example of why that is just not possible anymore.

For those people who simply like the game for what it is...I envy them. But, the people who blindly defend the state of the game and cannot swallow any criticism of the game need to recognize their extermely low standards for the blessings they are.

  User Deleted
1/28/08 6:30:23 PM#28
Originally posted by Raston

guess I'm weird. I always come here to research my games :)

You're not weird.  I've been playing MMO's for years and didn't know this site existed until a few weeks ago.  Anytime I've wanted to know something about a game I would just visit that games website, browse its forums, read its FAQs, etc.  If I have been doing this for years then I have to wonder how many others have been doing the same thing.  Just because some visit mmorpg to get their information about a game doesn't necessarily mean everyone does.  Those who don't are the people, like me, who would visit the official SWG website, see all the complaints and bashing going on and perhaps think twice about even trying that game.  So, my point still stands, if the SWG community wants to attract more customers to its game then they need to start by cleaning up their own back yard.  If someone posts a complaint, ignore it and let it drift off the front page.  By flaming those who complain all the folks do is make the SWG community appear angry and childish to the outside world who are reading those threads on a daily basis.

  Raston

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1/28/08 8:06:47 PM#29

Originally posted by jaxscorpio34
Originally posted by Raston

guess I'm weird. I always come here to research my games :)

You're not weird.  I've been playing MMO's for years and didn't know this site existed until a few weeks ago.  Anytime I've wanted to know something about a game I would just visit that games website, browse its forums, read its FAQs, etc.  If I have been doing this for years then I have to wonder how many others have been doing the same thing.  Just because some visit mmorpg to get their information about a game doesn't necessarily mean everyone does.  Those who don't are the people, like me, who would visit the official SWG website, see all the complaints and bashing going on and perhaps think twice about even trying that game.  So, my point still stands, if the SWG community wants to attract more customers to its game then they need to start by cleaning up their own back yard.  If someone posts a complaint, ignore it and let it drift off the front page.  By flaming those who complain all the folks do is make the SWG community appear angry and childish to the outside world who are reading those threads on a daily basis.

Oh, I wasn't saying anything about those who research their games through the respective websites.  I tend to start my search here and then move on to the those same sites for the ones of interest.  I was stating that I'm sure I'm an oddity in that endeavor as you said, not everyone knows about this site (I've been a lurker for years, but only recently began to more actively post)

  ArcAngel3

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OP  1/29/08 12:53:30 AM#30

 

Originally posted by saay

Can i get a link to this? this doesnt sound like the community i play with, but theres always some i guess. The block thing is bound to cause a bit of a stir at first, because of the amount of players it affects, but people are starting to realise that it isnt such a huge thing, and that its a good thing becuase it was a bit overpowered beforehand -block suits are still very viable in PvP and PvE, its not as though they are useless now.

Hi saay.  Here's the link you requested: http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/posts/list.m?topic_id=585317

 

The criticisms and namecalling start pretty much right away, and add up quickly as you scroll through the posts.  It's a sad state of affairs.   Your perspective here is expressed in a more helpful way I think.

I think you would probably notice what I'm highlighting more if you started posting questions about changes, or if you tried to highlight some of the game's current issues.  That seems to be when people will try to silence you through some kind of verbal abuse, and the moderators over there won't stop them.

I don't recommend you doing this though if you're enjoying yourself.  I'd say, just have fun and stay out of the line of fire.

  saay

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Posts: 467

1/29/08 3:47:19 AM#31
Originally posted by jaxscorpio34

 

Originally posted by saay

Can i get a link to this? this doesnt sound like the community i play with, but theres always some i guess. The block thing is bound to cause a bit of a stir at first, because of the amount of players it affects, but people are starting to realise that it isnt such a huge thing, and that its a good thing becuase it was a bit overpowered beforehand -block suits are still very viable in PvP and PvE, its not as though they are useless now.


If people truly want to know the state of the game and its community, all they need to do is go read the official forums for a week or two.  I've read many, many negative posts there in the last few weeks.  Quite often, posts start off with a simple request to fix something about the game and devolve into "if you don't like it gtfo noob" or other colorful comments.  The reason you don't see this negativity is because you choose not to see it.  Rest assured, however, others can and do see it and it paints a very poor image of the game and the general attitude of  its current playerbase.

 

By the way, you might want to remind all those guys on the official forums that their forums are currently  public and everything they say there, negative or otherwise, has the potential to attract or drive away more customers than anything we say on a forum such as this.  When people want to know what's happening in WoW they go to worldofwarcraft.com.  When they want to know what's happening in Star Wars Galaxies, they go to starwarsgalaxies.com.  Only a handful would come to a site like mmorpg instead of the main site when researching a game they're interested in playing.

Err no, i actually dont see this sort of thing, im either on gameplay discussion, my server forums or in hints and tips so id really appreciate a link to this post with this supposed plethora of ingorant insults.

  User Deleted
1/29/08 10:06:59 AM#32

Originally posted by saay

Err no, i actually dont see this sort of thing, im either on gameplay discussion, my server forums or in hints and tips so id really appreciate a link to this post with this supposed plethora of ingorant insults.


I've said it before and I'll say it again, you do not see it because you choose not to. I don't play the game but I do monitor the forums.  If I can see the flame wars going on then rest assured, others can too.  Some of those "others" might have been potential customers you wanted to attract but only drove away because of the general level of contempt you all hold for other players on those forums.  I am actually quite surprised SOE hasn't gone back to the days of making their forums private and requiring a subscription to access them as they did back in the very, very early days of SWG.  At least that would prevent potential customers from seeing the constant flame wars that erupt between players who appear to have such contempt for one another that it's hard to believe they all play the same game. 

 

The SWG official forum trolls' stance on bugs in the game:  If there's a bug in the game you don't like then your best bet is to quit the game because posting about it on their forums will only start a flame war that ends with all the fanbois calling you a noob and telling you if you don't like it to GTFO.  So please, save them from the agony of getting carple tunnel.  Hit cancel and leave them in peace.

  TeknoBug

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1/29/08 10:23:33 AM#33

I agree that the official forums is pretty bad, back in the days I thought the forums were bad (Jedi forum was rather hostile) but this is worse, when I open up general discussion and see a thread that's filling up then later on that day it's been deleted- the mods delete ALOT of threads on a daily basis. If you go to general off-topic or general star wars, there's alot of talk about Bioware's next MMO and how SWG is on the virge of dying which takes longer for mods to find and delete.


Right now general discussion has been getting flooded with the block nerf complaint and I can't blame them one bit since Blixtev 3 months ago did say they knew about it and wasn't going to do anything about it right away which led to the fact that most players piled up on their expensive block suits. What gets me is how the devs let the block miscoding get past them on test months ago.


  User Deleted
1/29/08 10:29:31 AM#34
Originally posted by saay
Originally posted by jaxscorpio34

 

Originally posted by saay

Can i get a link to this? this doesnt sound like the community i play with, but theres always some i guess. The block thing is bound to cause a bit of a stir at first, because of the amount of players it affects, but people are starting to realise that it isnt such a huge thing, and that its a good thing becuase it was a bit overpowered beforehand -block suits are still very viable in PvP and PvE, its not as though they are useless now.


If people truly want to know the state of the game and its community, all they need to do is go read the official forums for a week or two.  I've read many, many negative posts there in the last few weeks.  Quite often, posts start off with a simple request to fix something about the game and devolve into "if you don't like it gtfo noob" or other colorful comments.  The reason you don't see this negativity is because you choose not to see it.  Rest assured, however, others can and do see it and it paints a very poor image of the game and the general attitude of  its current playerbase.

 

By the way, you might want to remind all those guys on the official forums that their forums are currently  public and everything they say there, negative or otherwise, has the potential to attract or drive away more customers than anything we say on a forum such as this.  When people want to know what's happening in WoW they go to worldofwarcraft.com.  When they want to know what's happening in Star Wars Galaxies, they go to starwarsgalaxies.com.  Only a handful would come to a site like mmorpg instead of the main site when researching a game they're interested in playing.

Err no, i actually dont see this sort of thing, im either on gameplay discussion, my server forums or in hints and tips so id really appreciate a link to this post with this supposed plethora of ingorant insults.

Denial saay its not just a river in Egypt, lol to any reading this forum you do more damage to your cause then good, keep it up bud your worth ten nerfs in game....

  daeandor

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1/29/08 10:39:58 AM#35

The issue with the block nerf is that it is the same old, same old with SOE.  That is what frustrates people.  Remember, the people who started playing NGE now have roughly the same amount of time (if not more) invested in SWG as pre-CU vets.  They are seeing the continuous failure of SOE devs to test thoroughly and their resultant nerfs after a few months when players have gathered the resources to exploit the devs failure.  The devs did the same thing with parry 3-4 months ago.  It's also a failure of the community to let go of the alpha class mentality that the old Jedi system instilled in the player base.  The difference now is that you can be an alpha class if you have the in game credits to make one, rather than having to actually grind one.

  Echobe

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"When does the hurting stop?" -Proto Bill

1/29/08 1:37:20 PM#36

If you think that's bad, you shoulda been around when the CH wars were in full swing. Man, I can still hear the bombs and rockets of words exploding in my mind. It was a merciless assault on the senses that you were powerless to stop. I'll never forget the bodies of my fellow MCH's piled around me when the nerf-bomb came and wiped us out. Shadows of Grauls - Mauler's and Babies alike - are forever burned into the lands of Dantooine.

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1/29/08 1:45:09 PM#37

Oh man the Beast Wars days were great.  Anyone else remember the cowardly gurrack being three or four stories tall when full grown?  Good times...good times.

  hipiap

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Don't Prove Mark Twain correct by opening your mouth and removing Doubt.

1/29/08 1:57:09 PM#38

Ah yes...the receint questions and concerns about the pending "Fix" to the Block Modifier.

 

The problem with the forums at SW:G is the majority of the people that flame anyone that brings up a concern or a complaint about whatever it might be are people that are "Elders" from before the NGE.

 

 

I play and played Pre-CU. I have 2 active accounts currently.

 

I will post a bitch about changes.  I will ask questions about game design and things that do or don't make sense.

 

The whiners can F off for all I care, here or there.  People are allowed their opinions regardless of if it is aggreeed with or not.

 

I agree with the OP that the (for the most part if your not in the GAT) forum community over there these days is just like the forum community here.  Half intelligent and half stupid.

MMO History: 2528 days in SW:G

  SioBabble

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1/29/08 2:01:53 PM#39
Originally posted by jaxscorpio34

Oh man the Beast Wars days were great.  Anyone else remember the cowardly gurrack being three or four stories tall when full grown?  Good times...good times.


Yeah, after it was made so that anyone could have a pet follow them around, so long as it was CL 15 or below, the cowardly gurreck was the pet all the non-CHs wanted to have.  They made for decent low-level tanks,particulrly for pure crafters who wanted a bodyguard for harvester runs.

CH, Jedi, Commando, Smuggler, BH, Scout, Doctor, Chef, BE...yeah, lots of SWG time invested.

Once a denizen of Ahazi

  Raston

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1/29/08 2:24:23 PM#40
Originally posted by hipiap

Ah yes...the receint questions and concerns about the pending "Fix" to the Block Modifier.

 

The problem with the forums at SW:G is the majority of the people that flame anyone that brings up a concern or a complaint about whatever it might be are people that are "Elders" from before the NGE.

 

 

I play and played Pre-CU. I have 2 active accounts currently.

 

I will post a bitch about changes.  I will ask questions about game design and things that do or don't make sense.

 

The whiners can F off for all I care, here or there.  People are allowed their opinions regardless of if it is aggreeed with or not.

 

I agree with the OP that the (for the most part if your not in the GAT) forum community over there these days is just like the forum community here.  Half intelligent and half stupid.


I'd rather be in a community that is half intelligent and half stupid than one that is full stupid.  But color me strange like that  

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