What he's saying is that (I think) the fact that it's an 360 game the pc version will be "dumbed" down to fit the console controllers

 This is exactly what I'm talking about, quoted for truth

I kinda understand OPs point. May be he a bit overreacted since the game is not out yet and you can't be sure how 'consoled' it is going to be. He also might not have done enough research in terms of game mechanics thus he does not completely know how things are (Neither did i). But i want to say just one thing. Having game fit the console is pretty much gimping the mechanics since you can't make controller fit into stuff the mouse is used to do. For example if console player and pc player would meet in fps i am 100% sure the controller user would be sack of meat for the beating. What the op was trying to tell is that keyboard+mouse is usually more versatile than controller. And if the game is made with console part in mind it usually means that it has the controls/mechanics made the way to fit controller playing style and some features either removed or made less vital to create an equal playground. Lineage 2 for example it can be pretty much played on equal ground with both mouse+keyboard or controller. You do not need to change your viewing point too much to face the character since he is not moving much either. Imagine if FFXI relied a lot on moving your VP around to face your opponent and deliver blows instead of just standing still and picking options or clicking icons. And even then those things are important in PvP mostly. Seriously how many mobs circle-strafe and backstab you in WoW ?

With this said i hope you understand the point of the OP. And if someone says they won't buy something or don't like and provide the reason for it remember that its their reason and they do not force it on you, but are just voicing their opinion. No need to tell someone he is stupid because he a bit overreacted or his reason for not playing seems stupid. Since some people might find your reason for playing actually even more stupid.

Originally posted by dobbsie213

Makes sense to have this on xbox 360  because many will not have the computers with the spec to play, let alone enjoy the graphics.  I was thinking about this very issue and wondering whether to upgrade my PC  by changing the motherboard etc.   I'd rather play no PC, but either way the game would be fun.     

What do you know about our computers?

Originally posted by mo0rbid

What he's saying is that (I think) the fact that it's an 360 game the pc version will be "dumbed" down to fit the console controllers

 This is exactly what I'm talking about, quoted for truth

I kinda understand OPs point. May be he a bit overreacted since the game is not out yet and you can't be sure how 'consoled' it is going to be. He also might not have done enough research in terms of game mechanics thus he does not completely know how things are (Neither did i). But i want to say just one thing. Having game fit the console is pretty much gimping the mechanics since you can't make controller fit into stuff the mouse is used to do. For example if console player and pc player would meet in fps i am 100% sure the controller user would be sack of meat for the beating. What the op was trying to tell is that keyboard+mouse is usually more versatile than controller. And if the game is made with console part in mind it usually means that it has the controls/mechanics made the way to fit controller playing style and some features either removed or made less vital to create an equal playground. Lineage 2 for example it can be pretty much played on equal ground with both mouse+keyboard or controller. You do not need to change your viewing point too much to face the character since he is not moving much either. Imagine if FFXI relied a lot on moving your VP around to face your opponent and deliver blows instead of just standing still and picking options or clicking icons. And even then those things are important in PvP mostly. Seriously how many mobs circle-strafe and backstab you in WoW ?

With this said i hope you understand the point of the OP. And if someone says they won't buy something or don't like and provide the reason for it remember that its their reason and they do not force it on you, but are just voicing their opinion. No need to tell someone he is stupid because he a bit overreacted or his reason for not playing seems stupid. Since some people might find your reason for playing actually even more stupid.

 

I agree with dobbsie213.  Porting the game to the 360 will allow people without cutting edge computer graphics to enjoy the game without having to sacrifice the visuals.  I'll probably give it a go on the 360, too. 

As for understanding the OP... I do understand his position, I just don't share it.  And he seemed to be able to handle the flamers perfectly fine.  In fact, he flung some poo at them, too.  Are you his mum?

My comp is already more than two years old, and will be almost three years old by the time Conan releases in May. If it doesn't run smoothly, I will seriously consider getting an Xbox for Conan (and other games), and just keeping this rig for web browsing and email.

Im just wondering if we will have to pay for XBL and conan?Or if microsoft will work some deal out with them.

Originally posted by -exo

dude that just killed the whole game for me, thats not even funny.

haha o rly?

Originally posted by -exo

 

 i'm flippn' pissed off NOT because they are branching off to A DIFFERENT CONSOLE. NO

i'm pissed off because        ALMOST       every damn game that has done that has failed misserably, hence why i don't play final fantasy, why? because it's not fun, the game controller is to easy and ANYONE can do it. it takes ZERO skill in halo to flip a b*tch and shoot someone in the head and get a lucky shot.

 

it takes zero skill to press the "A" button. i'm sorry but honestly, this is stupid and rediculous, if this IS the case then i will be playing warhammer. i can't handle that crap due to the fact that not ONLY would it not make it any fun, but every one and their damn mom would be on there, from an 8 year old child to a 60 year old pedophile. I 'm so sick to flipping god of playing with 14 year old children that yell at their mom because they choose to not sleep at night over Ventrilo, or over a headset. I'm so sick of seeing the word "noob" and watching some one get flamed because

 

THEY CARN'T SHPEEL GOOD

isn't that right?!

i THOUGHT maybe, just maybe age of conan MIGHT end up bringing that "Adult" type of game, but no it looks like the only place where i will find that is in a sex toy shop. and that is rediculous. THIS is why i'm upset. I pray to god and any other god that is even religion based that this BS does not hit a console. you can flame me all yo uwant, but those of you who ARE smart would agree that YOU TOO are sick of this.

I CAN NOT BE THE ONLY ONE. i know that for a fact. that is my defense, no not a defense, a fact, it's every where.

i will bet you REAL money that someone ALREADY has flamed me for either spelling, or because that "well video games are FOR the childrens sake." please don't give me that Horse Sh*t.

 

SO SHUT THE FUCK UP AND STOP BITCHING YOU DUMB SHIT WHINY ASS BITCH!

  Doritos are the best chips ever!

   Just thought I'd share that  :D

    Oh yea    ...    you guys are getting way bent out of shape here ;)

Doritos are indeed awesome.

and the OP smells of fail  and old cheese.

PC-console releases have never really hurt an MMO. The big difference between the two in FFXI was graphical resolution and lack of a mouse on the PS2 version. Honestly though, who uses a mouse in FFXI anyway?

FFXI supported (read: practically required) a keyboard via USB on the PS2, and does on the 360 as well, I'm sure. No worries about communication or control there.

And skill? In any PC MMO that's been released up till now? Ha. Ha. Ha.

Kids and morons are everywhere. Go play WoW, go play GW, go play anything. You will find them.

Stop overreacting and go back to your hidey hole. And I look forward to ruining play with bedtime, but not 'cause I'm some kid. I've got that little thing called a Real Job, along with it's good buddy Commute. 

Oh, and yeah. I didn't read the last four or so pages of uh.. educated debate. Just figured I'd be honest.

I must say that I've never been a PC gamer and I never will be a PC gamer.  PC gamers suck, and they're arrogant enough to try and rule over console gamers.  By the way, just built my first PC back in November of 2007, can't wait to play AOC on it.  And, I just bought Crysis today ... SWEET!!  PC GAMERS RULE BABY!!  Yeah, it's pretty cool.  I am disappointed that everyone would make such a big deal about playing with 360 gamers.  I personally will be playing this on 360 and PC, and if it wasn't coming to 360 I wouldn't play because that's where all my friends are.  I played FFXI (only MMO I've played) for the 360 and the PC gamers were awesome to party with, and I asked guys if they could tell I was playing on a console ... they had NO idea.   NO FREAKIN IDEA!!  Anyone who plays on consoles, plug a usb keyboard in to communicate and some of my friends even plug in a mouse.

Personal Opinion ... its NO big Deal!!  Also, why not have 360 servers, PC servers, and combined servers ... for me I'm all about a combined server!

Originally posted by PvtCaboose

Im just wondering if we will have to pay for XBL and conan?Or if microsoft will work some deal out with them.

As an aside. I was wondering quite how things like combat complexity would get dumbed down by a console, especially when I keep considering things like shooters... They account for target shots and effects in many modern games, and location  of the shot ends up mattering allot. That has absolutely nothing to do with what system you are on, just as well the ability to sneak up on someone and kidney shot them or stab them in the back has nothing to do with what system you are on. Either way you are walking up and using an ability.

The great thing about using a controller? Radial Menus! Without doing anything you can have eight things bound to the 360s Dpad, four away from a whole quickbar. What else, you can make it so those A, B, X, Y buttons open up radial menus that you press the Dpad quickly for!. Or you can make a combat chain that you line up abilities in and press a button to activate as you strafe and weave about your oponent and hack at him.

Point being. You can't look at the amount of buttons the thing has and assume that people can't come up with a way to do more with it. Also to note, the great thing about the PS2, PS3, and 360...they all can use the keyboard/mouse...not sure about the PS2 with th e mouse but both next gen consoles can use a mouse too.

Not to sound rude, but honestly if someone can't find a way to make an involved and complex game on a console that's just as enjoyable and well paced as a PC game, then they're kinda an idiot...

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Originally posted by KevinV12000

The inherent limitations of the console are the trade-off for uniform architecture.
You may think cross-platform development is not a problem, but I assure you it is. If you have to develop something for a platform that has a capacity of X and another that has a capacity of Y, the end product has to work on both X and Y. That's an obejctive fact.
This means, by definition, that Age of Conan's development will be limited by console limitations.
Which means that the consolization of this arcade game will do for the Age of Conan concept we've been sold what cross-platform produced Thief 3 did for the Thief games, what the last Deus Ex game did to that series and what Oblivion did to the Elder Scrolls series.
That is, dumb it down to simple button mashing, simplistic inventory interfaces, and other arcade game click-and-shoot features.
Maybe this is your cup of tea. Maybe you're so modern you don't even realize that there is a difference between video games and computer games.
You can keep your console game. I'm not touching it, and I bet I'm not alone. I'm not helping what's killing my hobby.

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My thoughts exactly, I will be cancelling , I knew there was talk about xbox conversions, but the poster here makes a good point. I have bought 3 recent single player games that were also released on the xbox 360, all of which are so simplified at this point they are just not fun anymore.

Sorry console gamers but a few things I have noticed sense owning a 360 and a PC. Games are a heck of allot shorter in game play (time it takes to finish a game). The dumbed down interfaces and controls are made more simplistic for consoles for obvious reasons. Anything with the idea of going to console or being developed console first have always had that (as post quoted above) X and Y must work. To do this , means simplifying, in the end means crappy game play. Finally whats with the 60 dollar price tag on a 360 game and people are paying it? That is a shock sense most of these games give you 20 hours of gameplay and MP to fill in the rest, I guess MP is worth 60 bucks.
In the day, one could say " ya, I am buying this I will get easily 120 hours of gameplay and it's cheaper then a movie and dinner". now its "ya, I won't buy that game, I will get more entertainment out of a movie and dinner then a 20 hour game".. at least it's coming to that and I hope it comes sooner then later. :)
Eh I am sure there are people that loves this new approch but like many I am not one of them. As much as this hurts to say it, looks like warhammer for me :P , dam.

Edit: I seen that leaked vid and now the annoucment of another push back, nothing here that makes me want to go out and buy it. Also the veil of rescent secracy that has come about this title in the last year or so is another reason. Eh who knows, they might pull a magic rabbit out of their ass, but as this point , I highly doubt it. All titles I have seen recently in the last few years have delays for one reason, cross-platforms.

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Originally posted by oakae
Hmmm I can't say anything about AoC since I haven't played it but for a game like WoW, using a controller would severely gimp a player instead of benefiting them.

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Originally posted by vickykol
When this was first announced a few years ago a number of people on the AoC forums had a lively discussion about this topic. I was one of the folk who had a problem with it, and I lost a lot of interest because of this as well as the delays in release. My concerns were with the awkwardness of some games that seek to be console friendly, including FF XI and Oblivion. Others were concerned that there would be a combat advantage of one or the other platform.

I will try the open beta, but I am less enthusiastic.

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I too share the fear of consoling, actually combined servers are my biggest fear about AoC for the reasons quoted above. Especially controls and interface are important to me, as are options for customization (mods, macros, etc). While I have no problem with there being a console version of the game out there it is the combined servers (or game version) that worries me, I just cannot see how you can fairly balance the game and it's features on such different platforms. As stated above many games have tried that, they used the lowest denominator and created products that can only be described as inferior (at least from PC gamer standpoint). MMOs are meant to be played way more then traditional games (hence the subscription fees) and if I am being constantly annoyed by the way I control my character, the interface (lack of slots, lack of customization options, oversimplification of inventory and other in game screens (see Oblivion *shudder*)) I know that game will not hold my interest for long, no matter how awesome it looks.

And what about patches, content upgrades and whatnot? While I am aware that modern consoles support most usb devices, I just cannot see AoC for xbox actually require mouse+keyboard+hd to play.

On the other hand kids do not bother me that much, there is no way a popular online game can be kid free, and to be honest in my online time I have met some very mature kids and some damn childish adults (altough I do agree about the whole bedtime/my-mom-wants-me-to-do-this-now-kkthnxbye issue).

All in all the more I think about cross platforming the less excited I am about the game, and this is the main reason why I will not be preodering. I guess we will not know for sure till the game is out (on both platforms), perhaps AoC will be the first game out there that got the multiplatforming right.

@Funcom:
More official info on this issue would be highly appriciated!

Originally posted by -exo

dude that just killed the whole game for me, thats not even funny.

Get over your self