Originally posted by Ariel

I always thought "open" meant open to testers who are not just employees, family, and friends.

 

You don't sound like you really want to test the game. That's what beta is for, not free play. They said this week open beta will be tens of thousands of people.

 

I can agree with the OP that at some point the NDA should be lifted to give fans access to testers' comments.

Open beta just means that there is no NDA. You can post everything you hate/like about the game.

Originally posted by tbox

I am very disappointed how they are trying to manipulate the term open beta by claiming giving more beta invites to forum veterans and contestant winners is some how "open beta". It is not and I am B.S that they think us so stupid do believe their crap.  Folks this is simply going to be a large closed beta.   I am getting more and more disappointed as the time for release nears with the antics they are giving us.

 

Will the NDA even be lifted before it goes live?   

 

If this will be a solid good product why not making it open beta for 1 week or a weekend. Show pride in their work and word of mouth is going to help sales.

 

I keep thinking that they are trying to hide things and quit frankly I am not sure if I should even pre order.

As already said on this link  I think there will be an open beta, what it says is that instead of be keys for everyone (like a free mmorpg) there will be keys to only for people they need to test and report bugs.

If they put up one server for beta, instead the x servers of the release, its normal that there are not keys for everyone! its an open beta until there is no more space on it on servs. Think noone said that you will not get a key if you are not veteran, or you need to enter a contest...

Sincerely, this seems to be a "moment of fury", chill out, dont get angry, and wait for the beta, then, if there are only few keys that can you get by contest, complain, but, dont say things that you (us) already dont know.

Almost all major MMOS have had Open beta meaning that anyone can download a key and play. So, please dont try to bullshit us with just free mmo's do that, that is simple not true.   Anyone who claims this is normal behavior for a major developed mmo is ignorant, Wow, vanguard, Lotro,. POBTS, Tabula Rista,  Ect.... All had Real Open Beta's not large final closed betas.

We know from all other age sensetive  sites (porno ect) on the web that you just have to do an age confermation thingy why not put that in the beta download box before the download.   Its not because of the M rating.  

 Heres a thought why cant they just let pre orders into open beta?  Wait thats too smart and proven.  I am awaiting the on coming fanboi spin machine's response.

Originally posted by tbox

Almost all major MMOS have had Open beta meaning that anyone can download a key and play. So, please dont try to bullshit us with just free mmo's do that, that is simple not true.   Anyone who claims this is normal behavior for a major developed mmo is ignorant, Wow, vanguard, Lotro,. POBTS, Tabula Rista,  Ect.... All had Real Open Beta's not large final closed betas.

 

We know from all other age sensetive  sites (porno ect) on the web that you just have to do an age confermation thingy why not put that in the beta download box before the download.   Its not because of the M rating.  

 

 Heres a thought why cant they just let pre orders into open beta?  Wait thats too smart and proven.  I am awaiting the on coming fanboi spin machine's response.

As said before. dont talk about "things" you just dont really know. Wait for the Open Beta release and then, if its not an open beta; complain. Still dont understand the problem;  is that you have to register? cause is the only think they said. Is that they said that there will be not as easy as click a download cause they wanna know how many of us are in the servers? do you understand that is a TEST ? and, suposing as you,  did you think that perhas they want to do an open beta but with only one server and cant afford too many people? What you want? do a closed one? only by contest? only friends?

Cant understand  why people lets fly their imagination and take it as real things. Are you angry cause you are not in tomorrows beta? calm down, go and read a book, dont threat others as "fanbois", or what they say is "bullshit", just because dont think as you, if you wanna be respected, first, respect the others

PS: also dont understand why you post the same thing in some different places... seems that you just want to make some noice, as you are calling your self "fanboi"... so...

Originally posted by tbox

Almost all major MMOS have had Open beta meaning that anyone can download a key and play. So, please dont try to bullshit us with just free mmo's do that, that is simple not true.   Anyone who claims this is normal behavior for a major developed mmo is ignorant, Wow, vanguard, Lotro,. POBTS, Tabula Rista,  Ect.... All had Real Open Beta's not large final closed betas.

 

We know from all other age sensetive  sites (porno ect) on the web that you just have to do an age confermation thingy why not put that in the beta download box before the download.   Its not because of the M rating.  

 

 Heres a thought why cant they just let pre orders into open beta?  Wait thats too smart and proven.  I am awaiting the on coming fanboi spin machine's response.

And how do you know they aren't going to allow pre orders into beta? Maybe that will happen next month. Maybe that will happen in March. You don't know, so stop talking like you do.

Bottom line is you're upset because you haven't gotten into beta. And apparently sucking on your thumb and stomping your feet hasn't been very effective so you decided to post here.

Hmmm, a restricted beta protected by NDA...............

I honestly don t think i will like this game at all so i know if there isn t one i won t be buying/trying it at all. Untill a trial comes out of course but by then i ll be playing the game i m waiting for anyways :)

Originally posted by Aczero

Originally posted by Ariel

I always thought "open" meant open to testers who are not just employees, family, and friends.

 

You don't sound like you really want to test the game. That's what beta is for, not free play. They said this week open beta will be tens of thousands of people.

 

I can agree with the OP that at some point the NDA should be lifted to give fans access to testers' comments.

Open beta just means that there is no NDA. You can post everything you hate/like about the game.

I can't wait to be able to express my opinions on this game/beta.  I just can't!!

Actually the OP is right about this.

There was an uproar when the news came out that there wouldn't be an open beta.  So what did they do?  They said, "Oh no, that was a misunderstanding.  Of course we're going to have an open beta.  We're going to take applications and then choose a limited number of additional testers.  And you won't know if we took 1 or 100 more testers.  And the NDA will still be in effect.  That's an open beta, right?"

They're just playing word games.  A rose is a rose.  But a hunk of moldy cheese can never be a rose no matter how often you call it a rose.

The thing that amazes me is how well it worked for them.  They just called a closed beta an open beta and most people suddenly loved them again without ever questioning the reality of it.

Originally posted by Neanderthal

Actually the OP is right about this.

There was an uproar when the news came out that there wouldn't be an open beta.  So what did they do?  They said, "Oh no, that was a misunderstanding.  Of course we're going to have an open beta.  We're going to take applications and then choose a limited number of additional testers.  And you won't know if we took 1 or 100 more testers.  And the NDA will still be in effect.  That's an open beta, right?"

They're just playing word games.  A rose is a rose.  But a hunk of moldy cheese can never be a rose no matter how often you call it a rose.

The thing that amazes me is how well it worked for them.  They just called a closed beta an open beta and most people suddenly loved them again without ever questioning the reality of it.

I could not agree more.    If they want to trick us it should have require more effort then that.

Yes, you guys are right. Nothing is ever misunderstood through interviews or the media in general.

My God, give it a rest.

For anyone that did not participate in "open beta" for Anarchy Onile or did not feel the pain of its release do some research on it. It is hands down in the top 2-3 worst releases of all time, and this is the company that will be releasing AoC.

You buy this game without being in beta you really do it with the full understanding that they have a history of horrible releases. My advice, wait at least a week and see what people are saying about it (Vanguard ring a bell?) Trust me a week is easy to make up, but droping cash on a POS product isnt easy to take when you know the company has such a bad history with MMO's.

This is no POS product.

And I'm pretty sure they learned something from the AO launch...not to do it again.

Yes for the love of God give it a rest! You people are not convincing anyone anymore.

Ever heard of Ockham's Razor? Its an old principal of philosophy that states: All things being equal, the simplest explanation is usually the right one. So let me give you a hypothetical:

Possibility 1: Funcom decides to not have an open beta to hide a crap product. So they say, "We are not holding an open-beta". The community uproars. So this same company, who according to you conspiracy theorists, is planning on launching a horrid product, decides to cave to pressure of the community (about 1% mind you) so they can now show off their crap product. So they come up with this grandiose design to conceal their beta as a fake open beta.

Possibility 2: A developer makes a comment on a game on Friday. Its an interview, Q&A, etc... That comment was on open beta. Well the interviewer moved on to other questions. The dev never got the chance to clarify the comment. Funcom, closed for the weekend, come back on Monday and says "Oh Yeah - lets us explain what our dev meant exactly".

Hmm, now which one is more believeable? I mean seriously - do you conspiracy theorists even read the crap you post? Funcom is lying; Funcom has tons to hide; Funcom did this deliberately. No its simple as one of the other posters said - the media messes stuff up or fails to clarify stuff all the time. It happens and then they issue a correction.

They will release the NDA. Stop speculating when and where they will. It will be removed before the game launches at some point. All of you paranoid conspiracy theorists will have your time to come here and comment on the game. You will have time to make sure what type of state the game is in.

AOC will not launch porrly. Funcom knows the mistakes they made with AO and have said repeatedly that they will not make them again. I for one believe them until they prove me wrong.

As I have said before, stop spewing the conspiracy BS. You are not convincing anyone; you are only acting so paranoid that I seriously wonder if you wear tin-foil hats. And ultimately if you do not like the open-beta idea and how Funcom is doing its, fine = don't signup for it; it will allow those who want to play the opportunity to do so.

I do agree that there is nothing open about the Beta in AOC.   Its probably a good idea.   But that will probably mean I will be waiting for the free trial to see if this game is worth playing.  Its not worth throwing away money into MMORPGs since many of them are big flop. 

I dont know if WoW was called "open beta" but it took at least very little effort to get in it.  And there were huge masses of players who got in and really enjoyed the game.  It is largely what made WoW what it is today.  Millions of players bought the game just because of good gameplay in the beta and it gave Blizzard the funds to continue to develop the game into even better game.

Very few makers of MMORPGs will be able to do this just because way to often the game is still very raw when it even launches.  That means the "open" beta will get more negative talk than positive. 

But this game IS gonna need "open" beta to get the masses playing.  It is intreducing totally new fighting system that already has caused problems with the closed beta testers.  So I think its wise that everyone leaves this game alone till they have tested it themselfs and are happy with it.  And since there isn't really a open beta then the trial will be the next best thing. 

So time to wait 8 months to check if this game is worth ever buying. 

Originally posted by Battlekruse

Hmmm, a restricted beta protected by NDA...............

hmm,, a very perceptive conclusion

Originally posted by Alan0n

I do agree that there is nothing open about the Beta in AOC.   Its probably a good idea.   But that will probably mean I will be waiting for the free trial to see if this game is worth playing.  Its not worth throwing away money into MMORPGs since many of them are big flop. 

I dont know if WoW was called "open beta" but it took at least very little effort to get in it.  And there were huge masses of players who got in and really enjoyed the game.  It is largely what made WoW what it is today.  Millions of players bought the game just because of good gameplay in the beta and it gave Blizzard the funds to continue to develop the game into even better game.

Very few makers of MMORPGs will be able to do this just because way to often the game is still very raw when it even launches.  That means the "open" beta will get more negative talk than positive. 

But this game IS gonna need "open" beta to get the masses playing.  It is intreducing totally new fighting system that already has caused problems with the closed beta testers.  So I think its wise that everyone leaves this game alone till they have tested it themselfs and are happy with it.  And since there isn't really a open beta then the trial will be the next best thing. 

So time to wait 8 months to check if this game is worth ever buying. 

Cool, maybe see you in 8 months.

game is coming out in 2 months..... so who cares about open beta lol.  I can amuse myself with rock band until then lol