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If you like the idea of AoC, plan to play it -- but be forewarned that it may be a clunky release.

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Yep, whereas Dark Age of Camelot was a flawless release. Mythic turned on the servers and everything simply worked, from day 1. The only comparable release I can think of is Lord of the Rings Online, which was also great.

Already in the gameplay videos from AoC (and I am not talking about the heavily edited ones with voiceovers and such) there are some performance issues. Lots of skating (the players move but are stuck in a position) is a big one, and usually is a sign of latency. It reminds me of WoW at release, when after looting something you would stay in a loot position but could move around until the server either caught up or booted you off.

The thing I wonder about is how well a combat system that relies so many key presses to swing your weapon and make combos will pan out in large PvP fights - I see latency being a large issue. When you make a system that relies on very fast feedback and timing, lag will kill.

At any rate, we will know in March - I am rather excited, even though I will not be playing, because a major MMORPG release is always interesting to watch.

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Originally posted by xaldraxius
AoC will be about story driven content and a gritty grim world full of seedy dark alleyways, lush tropical jungles and barren snow covered wastes.

WAR will be about grinding for levels, and doing raids to get the best gear so you can go to one of the PvP zones and try to gank the people who actually do something besides play the game that don't have all the best equipment.

OMG it'll have boobs!...who cares? I'm not someone who get's a thrill from seeing animated breasts, I've seen plenty of real ones thanks, and anyone that has a computer can see as many boobs as they want anyway. Oh noes it'll prevent some annoying 12 year olds from playing the game! Hell, sign me up for that reason alone...lol
On one hand you have fantastic graphics and compelling storys, on the other you have rehashed cartoon graphics that look amazingly simular to WoW, and RvR combat. Now I must admit I am a big fan of DAoC and played the game for several years, but nowadays if I can't sneak my rogue past your guards and backstab you while you are standing in front of the auctioneer like a kid in a candy store, then I'm not impressed.

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Unless I misunderstood something. Mythic has said you can obtain the best gear through PvP or PvE.

Originally posted by xaldraxius

AoC will be about story driven content and a gritty grim world full of seedy dark alleyways, lush tropical jungles and barren snow covered wastes.

 

WAR will be about grinding for levels, and doing raids to get the best gear so you can go to one of the PvP zones and try to gank the people who actually do something besides play the game that don't have all the best equipment.

 

Anyways, I think WAR has a better $ backing and will have a nice, clean polished release.  I think AoC is still up in the air because of recently seen combat problems.  By not being in beta one would have a difficult time fully understanding the combat arguments currently going on in AoC and for this reason most people will just have to wait and see.  But I can already guarentee that the combat system is going to be a love-hate system.  Just be ready for something new, but not necessarily better. 

I agree with Stellos, go watch some WAR videos and learn about the game before you trash-talk.

On the other hand, I dont know anything about AoC except for the M rating and the funny avatar someone on the forums has with Conan O' Brien. I watched a video for it and it looks like a decent MMO for hack n slash gore lovers (yummy).

Anyway..... both games will do well.

Originally posted by eric_w66

My problems with WAR:

1) Seems like they're concentrating on PvP to the exclusion of PvE. We have fury to show that all PvP in a MMORPG is the suck.

There is PvE, and I'm sure there will be a lot more than you think.  I'm pretty sure Mythics last MMO had a butt-load of PvE as well.

2) We already have WoW.

You mean a game that is based on cookie cutter classes, no lore, no meaning, and PvE centric?  Oh wait, WAR is the exact opposite.

3) Its being made by Mythic, makers of the craptacular DAOC.

Basing your opinion on a 10 year old game is childish.  DAoC did extremely well when it was in it's prime.

4) Its owned (sadly) by EA. A lot of people hate SOE... but EA is the true destroyer of worlds.

Again, making decisions based on what company backs a development team.  Childish and Immature.  Without EA, Mythic wouldn't be able to do what they are doing.

 

Why don't you wait until it comes out and try it for a month.  If you don't like it, bash it.  Just because I don't like what I see in AOC doesn't mean I am going to go and bash it for no good reason.  If you don't like the game for what it is, awesome.  Saying you don't like it because it is sponsored by EA and made by Mythic, is just downright dumb.  I guess the WAR is WoW thing is still around, though anyone with half a brain could do some research and figure out that is completely ridiculous.

I think there is a good exchange going on these forums, and to clarify!

I POSTED THIS SAME POST ON THE AOC FORUMS, so this poll may be skewed, but I will average the 2 together and post the final results.

I feel as though I am in neutral ground, because I have a lot of respect for both companies, and for both titles, and I think they will both be successful, but the question remains... due to their close release date, which one is worth buying? 

So far, the only tabulated results show that these 2 titles will be in direct fiscal competition, and that AOC will win by a slight margin.  This of course rules out any game-changing bugs or issues that befell Vanguard, and ran it straight into the ground (which I have a few posts running about this and SOE).

Either way, I feel as though this year is going to be a very ineresting year in the mmo industry with these 2 great games dueling it out for my, and everyone elses money.  Who will I choose?  we'll have to wait til beta.

Future Warhead here!

WAR IS EVERYWHERE!

Sorry.. had to do it.. =)

Originally posted by Pheace

Im just curious what the point is behind this poll? That War will be considered the most likely to succeed, *By the people on the WAR forums* ?

 

There's a shocker

 

 

I didn't vote, because Pheace is right.

Originally posted by Nergle

Originally posted by Pheace

Im just curious what the point is behind this poll? That War will be considered the most likely to succeed, *By the people on the WAR forums* ?

 

There's a shocker

 

 

I didn't vote, because Pheace is right.

It's obvious that WAR is going to have way more people than AOC, but yea I dont really care which is better either.

Other ftw. Once Blizzard announces Diablo Online or Starcraft Universe its game over.

Once Arenanet shows off GW2 and people realize the pvp will be 10x better with no monthly fee its game over.

Once Bioware announces it's mmo and if by any chance its Kotor its pwnage time.

AOC and WAR aren't offering anything new to people who like mmo games. I am sure they will be fun games to play for awhile because they are new but I don't see either game being a tremendous success in 2008. I really hope I am wrong but sorry 2009 seems more promising from proven developers.

The OP is a tool.

WoW has survived as long as it has simply because people have nothing better to do. Once a well made MMO comes along, after this horrible string of flops, WoW will lose the majority of it's base.

Age of Conan isn't that game, although it will be a nice diversion. WAR could be that game but I've learned to not count my chickens so quickly after several lackluster releases that pumped my hopes up prematurely. Anyone who is an MMO enthusiast will be waiting by my side with bated breath for the next big game regardless of who releases it...

Good thing your opinion doesn't generally reflect reality.

Ultimately it comes down to the fact that Mythic makes a great game and now they have a fantastic, well known IP that will launch their game into the stratosphere.

The other games you mention might be somewhat interesting, but will likely lose their appeal as the gloss rubs off the shiny new toy.

WAR will very likely have staying power with the excellently built and well thought out basic structure.  With the possibility of releasing new races as time goes on, the game really has nothing to fear from any other game that might be coming out soon.

In fact I think the only game that really needs to fear a new MMO coming out would be WoW.

Originally posted by SaintViktor

Other ftw. Once Blizzard announces Diablo Online or Starcraft Universe its game over.

Once Arenanet shows off GW2 and people realize the pvp will be 10x better with no monthly fee its game over.

Once Bioware announces it's mmo and if by any chance its Kotor its pwnage time.

AOC and WAR aren't offering anything new to people who like mmo games. I am sure they will be fun games to play for awhile because they are new but I don't see either game being a tremendous success in 2008. I really hope I am wrong but sorry 2009 seems more promising from proven developers.

Diablo Online mmorpg could be really nice and I would look forward for that, if they can pull it off. Guild Wars 2 will be major sucess on the Asia market, same with the European/US. Warhammer Online is the next big hit. But please, a other Star Wars mmorpg?. Haha, that would be waste of money. There have been made countless Star Wars game and its only diehard fans there played them. Just take a look on SWG. AoC, dunno - but I think they might flop a couple of month after release.

Originally posted by SaintViktor

Other ftw. Once Blizzard announces Diablo Online or Starcraft Universe its game over.

I dont think at this point we have to worry about a Diablo Online or a Starcraft Universe. Nothing has been mentioned about either game, just hopeful fan wishes from players. Unfortunately for either game to live up to the expectations of its brother WoW, there is going to be alot of critisism about these games on what the developers should do. As much as I loved WoW in the hays days, I wouldnt want to see a Starcraft Version of it, I would like to see Blizzard come out with something more innovating for a game like Starcraft Online and not a WoW pasted game mechanic and graphics all over the game. And do you honestly think Diablo Online would we the next big hit for Blizzard? I seriously doubt that, but it will have its fan base as well, including me =)

Once Arenanet shows off GW2 and people realize the pvp will be 10x better with no monthly fee its game over.

GW2 I am looking forward too and LOVE, however, even though GW has alot of fan base, it still will be a GW with newer graphics and some new mechanics added to the game as well. <IMO> nothing to worry about here, its still going to be a free game that is instanced alot. But truly a remarkable game for no monthly fee.

Once Bioware announces it's mmo and if by any chance its Kotor its pwnage time.

This game has been mentioned since 2004 with the disgruntle veterans on the infamous SWG. This will be another one we dont have to worry about for a few years if they are even making this game. I love Bioware games as well, but serious doubt a KOTOR Online will be the next WoW Killer game. It will have its fair share of customers, but I hope they prove me wrong and this game is the NEXT BIG ONE.

The current SWG would suffice with a return on the original precu and some new game expansions.

AOC and WAR aren't offering anything new to people who like mmo games. I am sure they will be fun games to play for awhile because they are new but I don't see either game being a tremendous success in 2008. I really hope I am wrong but sorry 2009 seems more promising from proven developers.

With AoC around the corner, were going to find out is this game rocks. I have hopeful wishes for this one since its a break away from the warm and cuddly game like WoW. Its about time a more serious mmorpg hit the market. Fatality moves, bar brawls as a drunk and castle sieges. This game sounds pretty damn good to me.

Warhammer Online - This will truly be a test of a MMO - Sink or Swim. <IMO> World of Warcraft is on top for now, but remember, you can never be on top forever (just ask your GF, ok j/kidding here).  I believe Warhammer Online is going to give WoW and run for its money. I see WoW taking ideas from this game and implementing it into WoW fashion and Vice Versa.

Warhammer Online is the game of all games for 2008, unless there is something about AoC that I am missing. But either one, I will take to the bank.

To wrap it up, I will take any game out there, as long as I get my moneys worth from it and enjoy good times with my friends online.

Originally posted by SaintViktor

Other ftw. Once Blizzard announces Diablo Online or Starcraft Universe its game over.

Once Arenanet shows off GW2 and people realize the pvp will be 10x better with no monthly fee its game over.

Once Bioware announces it's mmo and if by any chance its Kotor its pwnage time.

AOC and WAR aren't offering anything new to people who like mmo games. I am sure they will be fun games to play for awhile because they are new but I don't see either game being a tremendous success in 2008. I really hope I am wrong but sorry 2009 seems more promising from proven developers.

Nice assumptions, but unfortunately just that...assumptions.

i would say warhammer will be more successfull then AoC, even though im looking more forward to AoC than WAR. the reason WAR will be more successfull is that it will be more easy to get into, like wow. AoC seems alot more ''difficult'' to start with as a totally newcomer to MMO's as an example. warhammers combat and movement will be more to the wow side than AoC.

But honestly, i don't really care about how many people will play it, or such things. i only want the game to be good enough to play. ill try both games when they are out. but i will definetly play AoC. since i already have a great guild and alot of friends whom are going to play it too.

WAR gets my vote simply because it doesn't have the extreme expectations that AoC has. WAR does to some extent have very high expectations but it doesn't rely on such many different factors as AoC does.

The people that voted for AoC over WAR are the same people that bought Mass Effect and Farenheight (sp?) because they heard there were sex scenes in them.

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Originally posted by DrunkenPrey
The people that voted for AoC over WAR are the same people that bought Mass Effect and Farenheight (sp?) because they heard there were sex scenes in them.

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i got both games but i didn't know there where sex scenes :/, i was suprised when i saw Ashley taking off the clothes but i wouldn't say that i disliked it :o.

Originally posted by DrunkenPrey

The people that voted for AoC over WAR are the same people that bought Mass Effect and Farenheight (sp?) because they heard there were sex scenes in them.

All is ok there, there