Very good awards...and congratulations to all the winners.

Even if you play or do not play EVE, it's not hard to see why it always ranks as one of the first. Even a none sci-fi fan will still be blasted away by it's outstanding production quality.

EVE has a solid community and even if it's smaller then many other MMO, it's not a sharded community. We're not talking about a community like WOW where each servers have their own micro culture and groups. We're talking about 1 single server that holds 38K+ players... Currently, when I launch my client, there's 27K people online. This creates a fairly consistent community. (I don't  known much about the Asian server)

Trinity expansion came with a fair share of problems but seriously, take your pride away for one minute and look at how beautiful the game is now. Unless you're filled with hate, you cannot deny that the devs worked extremely hard on their game. Now, we're not even starting to scratch the surface of what's about to come.

One thing that really makes EVE stand out is the sandbox gameplay. For many, that's a turn off but for the rest, that's quite an incredible feature and trust me, it's much harder to make a sandbox then a scripted MMO. I don't know much about MMO design but I know that when I tried to create a Quake 3 MP map, it really wasn't easy to make it nice and open for multiple tactic. However, making a really fun single player map was child's play. (well compared to the MP one that is :P)

EVE is pretty much what Blade Runner is for the cinema industry. Not many people can sit down and actually watch the entire movie without falling asleep but no one can deny that Blade Runner 's production quality is still on par with today's special effect and overall quality.

When you make something outstanding, even your enemies will be obligated to acknowledge your creation.

Originally posted by Wrayeth

 

Originally posted by Agent_X7

 

 

I think you actually missed the point, and then claimed it wasn't there. The point is this: Certain communities of people descend on this site every time their pet game is up for some sort of award. They aren't really readers, because they never come here other than to vote for their game.

I can't speak for other EVE players, but I've been visiting this site regularly for years, even if I don't post much.  I regularly read the features if the title in any way interests me, and occasionally post if I find something I feel strongly enough about to respond.

 

Please watch your sweeping gneralizations - such statements often come around to bite you in the ass when you least expect it.

I don't need to watch my anything, since I have seen the posts on the Eve forums in years past about coming here to register and vote for Eve. (I've seen it in other forums as well, it's not just Eve players)

One of the main reasons why EVE online is still on top, is because it is one of the few mmorpg's that stayed true to itself.

Just go down the list of the other sandbox mmorpg's or mmorpg's with unique features :

1. SWG :
CU and NGE
These 2 major gameplay changes basically took the SWG out of SWG and instantly killed the game.
Instead they should have worked on fixing the bugs and bad ideas.
1 example of a bad idea was allowing players to build anywhere. Even in front of a dungeon or other point of interest. Players of the other faction would be killed trying to get thru the defenses. A simple solution would have been to make certain area's off limits for building.

2. Ultima Online :
Trammel and Age of Shadows
Clearly these made large changes to the game, to me trammel was the worst, to others it was Age of Shadows.

3. DAoC :
Started to go downhill with ToA
Instead of hardcore nerfing ToA they made classic servers, dividing the playerbase ( which was already declining because of ToA ) in 2.
Buffots was a reason to leave for me.
New Frontiers did not help the game and made too drastic changes.
Then they took away the players from the world and put them in instances.
Finally they took out the soul of the game by clustering and not taking realm pride into account ( realm timers was one of the solutions ), also they did not merge the PvE areas at 1st ( only RvR ) so these areas stayed desolated.

4. To me those were the most importand games that were ruined intentionally ( SWG ) or unintentionally ( UO and DAoC ) by their Devs. If you have other similar experiences plz share :p

On the other hand, EVE online did everything right. They made 1 big cluster ( okay 2, blame the chinese ), this makes the game always alive. They do not charge for their expansions. Thus they do not have to lockout players from their expansion content, thus they can improve on the existing world and only expand the universe if needed ( when there is need for more space ) this also keeps the world alive.
Then they have not changed anything drastically and sticked with their sandbox, skillsystem and PvP ideals and improved upon them.
They did add easier accessible content ( missions ) for the newbies, but that did not detract from the endgame, it actually boosted it by bringing in new players and cash for the economy.

I think one of the few reasons why EvE does not have more players is because the combat system is pretty slow in missions or ratting. Mining is even worse. But I dont think there is an easy fix for this and this probably shouldnt be fixed anyway.

Greetz

Originally posted by Agent_X7

 

Originally posted by Mrbloodworth

 

 

I think you actually missed the point, and then claimed it wasn't there. The point is this: Certain communities of people descend on this site every time their pet game is up for some sort of award. They aren't really readers, because they never come here other than to vote for their game.

I ask this every year and i rarely get a reply to this. Point is its a readers award thingy which means the readers vote and once again it seems EvE fans cared the most.

I generally agreed with the results this year, pretty much what I expected across the board.

If 29% of the people who voted for AoC try the game out I bet over 25% of them will find it a refreshing change from the norm.

Goto say with EA buying Mythic out, and Mythic announcing Beta Servers closed for 2 months and EB games listing their release for WAR @ Q4 2008, I guess alot of people weren't as enthused as before. Personally P. Barnett is a bigger turn off for me than all those combined.

The Chronicles of Spellborn @ 4% was a bit shocking considering the support here.

The difference between AoC and Warhammer is Chronicles of Spellborn!

Eve deserved what it got too imo.

Not a bad round for this year's choice awards. But what i seem to notice is that this site always loves EVE no matter what.

Originally posted by smartkidz

Not a bad round for this year's choice awards. But what i seem to notice is that this site always loves EVE no matter what.

How about next year MMORPG.COM just gives EVE Online the top choice award rather than bothering with taking votes for that category?   

Evidently a lot of EVE Online players must read MMORPG.COM so that would make the vote for Reader's Choice legit, right?  And I'll admit MMORPG websites attract more hardcore players and they are more likely to play games like EVE Online and they also bother with voting.   

Except the EVE Online forum isn't constantly incredibly more active than all other Forums on this site.    And you have all these EVE players in this thread claiming *they* didn't bother to vote.   So who the heck IS voting for this game every year?    

You're not fooling anyone, EVE players, we all know you descend on the site like locusts to get your game a little recognition, perhaps goaded by the developers in an effort to boost its profile and attract more players (which isn't going to happen).   Congradulations on your community and organization. 

But it's starting to get old. 

Originally posted by AmazingAvery

Goto say with EA buying Mythic out, and Mythic announcing Beta Servers closed for 2 months and EB games listing their release for WAR @ Q4 2008, I guess alot of people weren't as enthused as before. Personally P. Barnett is a bigger turn off for me than all those combined.

I didn't see the info on beta servers closing for two months. Anyone else confirming Q4 2008? Cause if it gets pushed back......

Originally posted by Alienovrlord

 

Originally posted by smartkidz

Not a bad round for this year's choice awards. But what i seem to notice is that this site always loves EVE no matter what.

How about next year MMORPG.COM just gives EVE Online the top choice award rather than bothering with taking votes for that category?   

Evidently a lot of EVE Online players must read MMORPG.COM so that would make the vote for Reader's Choice legit, right?  And I'll admit MMORPG websites attract more hardcore players and they are more likely to play games like EVE Online and they also bother with voting.   

Except the EVE Online forum isn't constantly incredibly more active than all other Forums on this site.    And you have all these EVE players in this thread claiming *they* didn't bother to vote.   So who the heck IS voting for this game every year?    

You're not fooling anyone, EVE players, we all know you descend on the site like locusts to get your game a little recognition, perhaps goaded by the developers in an effort to boost its profile and attract more players (which isn't going to happen).   Congradulations on your community and organization. 

But it's starting to get old. 

You are both right and wrong.  Yes EVE players probably descend upon this and other sites to vote for there game, but only because we are the hardcore gamers that would have voted whether or not we play EVE.  Stop bashing EVE, or EVE players simply because the community is motivated enough to vote for their game.  I think it says something about the other games' communities, that they didn't turnout enough voters to overtake EVE in any of the categories it competed in.  Perhaps EVE is just that good....

Originally posted by Agent_X7

 

 

I think you actually missed the point, and then claimed it wasn't there. The point is this: Certain communities of people descend on this site every time their pet game is up for some sort of award. They aren't really readers, because they never come here other than to vote for their game.

To use a phrase common in EVE:

Proof or STFU

I've visited this site since before I started playing EVE.  I signed up to vote for EVE (and other games), but I don't care for much of the discussion here.  You have no way to back up your claims, and you make them knowing the reverse is true.  All it does is show you to be bitter that a small game has such strong support from its players despire flaws and black eyes that have occurred.

Originally posted by Samuraisword

The one category that needs to be viewed in perspective is " Best new MMOG of 2007".

LOTRO won because the other choices were total crap, not because LOTRO is a quality game. LOTRO is just a WoW clone and I didn't enjoy it beyond beta testing it. There is a good reason why both Spike TV and G4 neglected to offer a best MMOG category for 2007 award.

Spike TV didn't offer an MMO category because it had to make room for ones that aimed at their audience.

I mean, why have something silly like MMO f the year, when you can have a dew fueled game category instead?

The Spike VGAs are nothing but a consumer whoring event, but atleast they havent't given Madden RPG of the year, again.  G4 has been going downhill ever since it changed from Tech TV to G4.

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Originally posted by Terranah

 

I agree across the board with every category except best overall game for 2007. I wouldn't have pegged EVE Online for that award, but the voters have spoken I guess, so grats to them.

What really stands out to me here is the extreme lack of choices in the sci fi genre. What the hell, come on devs! Quit copying each other and make something new for God's sake. Eve Online is really a niche game. I don't want to be a vehicle. I want to be a person, so that is out for me. Tabula Rasa is buggy but they are working on it. Maybe if they add housing, vehicles, and revisit character creation they could be a triple A game. And SWG and Planetside, both SOE games, didn't even make the list.

SWG...for god's sake's SOE get your heads out of your asses and give us what we have been asking for, a friggin Precu server. You really expect me to believe your brainiac devs who are soooo computer and tech smart didn't save their work somewhere. It's not impossible to give us Precu. There are hobbyists out there working on it right now. If there is a legal reason, or a licensing reason or some other more plausible reason why you can not give us sci fi fans what we have been begging for, atleast let us know so we can stop thinking about it. Because right now as it stands it just seems to be mean spiritedness and stubborness to turn upside down a community of a couple hundred thousand players.

I'd like to get over Precu SWG. I really, really would. But with no quality alternatives and shuffling between one fantasy mmo to the next it is really hard. And I'm so sick of it.

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I feel for you on the SWG stuff being an ex-SWG-Flurrian myself (under the same name) in fact SWG was my first MMO and I truly loved that game until the CU then it started to lose its lustre

But EVE has kinda filled that gap and due out this year for EVE is a project called Ambulation (Walking) yes Character Avatars are coming to EVE first will be stations but it has been hinted at (for along time) that planets would be a final goal so EVE may be what your looking for by the end of 2008

If you do decide to try out EVE come chat to me my forum name is my In-game name (as it always has been ) and I'm usually willing to come help you out run missions or just do some mining

Originally posted by Samuraisword

The one category that needs to be viewed in perspective is " Best new MMOG of 2007".

LOTRO won because the other choices were total crap, not because LOTRO is a quality game. LOTRO is just a WoW clone and I didn't enjoy it beyond beta testing it. There is a good reason why both Spike TV and G4 neglected to offer a best MMOG category for 2007 award.

I give credit to Turbine for releasing a polished game, sadly we have to acknowledge this as an accomplishment because so many games are released incomplete and buggy even though shipping a finished product should be the norm.

 

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Originally posted by Alienovrlord

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Originally posted by smartkidz

Not a bad round for this year's choice awards. But what i seem to notice is that this site always loves EVE no matter what.

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How about next year MMORPG.COM just gives EVE Online the top choice award rather than bothering with taking votes for that category?
Evidently a lot of EVE Online players must read MMORPG.COM so that would make the vote for Reader's Choice legit, right? And I'll admit MMORPG websites attract more hardcore players and they are more likely to play games like EVE Online and they also bother with voting.
Except the EVE Online forum isn't constantly incredibly more active than all other Forums on this site. And you have all these EVE players in this thread claiming *they* didn't bother to vote. So who the heck IS voting for this game every year?
You're not fooling anyone, EVE players, we all know you descend on the site like locusts to get your game a little recognition, perhaps goaded by the developers in an effort to boost its profile and attract more players (which isn't going to happen). Congradulations on your community and organization.
But it's starting to get old.

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I for one am a regular reader/poster here and did vote for EVE.

Thse accusations, they always come around this time of year when EVE does well in the readers choice awards.

My reply is this, other communities are free to do the same, and you have no proof on the precentage of active MMORPG.com members voting for EVE as opposed to "vote-only" accounts.

If you want to see EVE taken down from it's throne next year, start campaigning for it's competitors.

So what... If you remove EVE from the equation, WoW gets the first place. What a surprise. Yipee. What's the point of this vote anyway? Don't put the blame on the EVE players, it's just that you won't get anything more than a popularity contest if the only question asked is the extremely subjective "which one is the best?". With a little more extensive rating system with criteria such as "lasting appeal? graphics? newbie experience?" EVE maybe wouldn't have come on top.

 Now when it comes to the "best improved" (2 big free expansions in 2007) and "best sci-fi" (not much competition), I honestly think that EVE didn't steal the first place.

Disclaimer: I'm too an EVE player. No, I didn't vote.

Spike TV and G4... bwahahahaha.  nuff said.

as for Eve, seems like it's the Ron Paul of mmogs, the handful of fanatical fans love it and everyone else goes "wtf?"

Originally posted by PegasusJF

 

 

My reply is this, other communities are free to do the same, and you have no proof on the precentage of active MMORPG.com members voting for EVE as opposed to "vote-only" accounts.

If you want to see EVE taken down from it's throne next year, start campaigning for it's competitors.

I agree, I'm a regualr poster here and I don't play EVE currently. However, i did vote for it in several of the catagories because I recognize that it is a well designed game and deserved, in my opinion, a few of the awards.

Other companies also advertise to come vote on here as well. For example, SOE did for their EQ2 expansions with this announcement:

http://eq2players.station.sony.com/news_archive_content.vm?month=current&id=1488

"MMORPG.com 2007 Award Nominations!
EverQuest II has been nominated for Best Fantasy, Best Overall Game and Best Paid Expansion for the 2007 Reader's Choice Awards on MMORPG.com! The nominations were decided by the Editorial Staff at MMORPG.com, consisting of Managing Editor Jon Wood, Community Manager Laura Genender and News Manager Keith Cross based on the performance of various games throughout 2007. Before you head out for the holidays, head over there and show your EverQuest II spirit! "

To me it just seems EvE players are more loyal to their game and make sure to vote for it whenever this comes up. If other communities rallied together to get the word out when these awards appear, maybe they can beat EVE.

Congrats to all the winners this year, well done.

Originally posted by Flummoxed

Spike TV and G4... bwahahahaha.  nuff said.

as for Eve, seems like it's the Ron Paul of mmogs, the handful of fanatical fans love it and everyone else goes "wtf?"

Next year learn to promote the award more in your community and who knows your buddies might take time off raiding for that usless shiny raid gear to actually vote for there game here.

There is no point wasting your time argueing the results of this poll. IT'S A POLL!!!! . It has no bearing a how good a game is or is not. The results are based on popularity which in turn are based on player base. WOW wins because it has a wide player base across all age groups and is a heavily marketed main stream game.  Its all up to the taste of the player as to which game suits their interest and playing style.  Its a popularity contest first, end of story.  So if you enjoy playing games that did not end up on top of this list (as I do),  then this poll really doesn't  matter now does it?  To each his own.