Originally posted by Corodyl

It's the players who've had their mmorpg cherry popped by wow that do the whole OMFG WAR = WOW !!!111!! LOL LOL LOL. /sigh. Idiots the lot of them, not only do they lack the understanding of how mmorpgs 'evolve' but they desperately need a set of new glasses if they seriously think wow's graphics = WAR.

I;ve been in the mmorpgs since Meridian59 and can pretty much pick out each game that WoW cloned the features of.

I agree, but I still try to explain to people, even if they are blatant trolls or completely ignorant, as I think it reflects well on our community. There are other games on this forum that once they get any trolls, there will be 10-15 people who jump on them right away without answering the question or trying to explain why that person is an idiot so they can try better next time ^^.

I just try to find the people who seem genuinely interested in the game (you can spot them) and want to learn more about WAR. People who give responses like Freys I don't mess with because it's obvious in they have closed the door on the issue. They are too certain in their delusions. Smart people will know not to listen to those trolls... and that's who I want playing WAR with me ultimately.

Originally posted by glord

 

Originally posted by Frey

Still seems like WoW to me, and it'll play like WoW...

 

Do your f***ing research!

THIS IS NOT WARCRAFFFFFFFFT! *kicks Frey off the boards.*

 

Nope,  your right , it's not,. its just WoW with Warhammer avatars 

Originally posted by Impyriel

I just try to find the people who seem genuinely interested in the game (you can spot them) and want to learn more about WAR. People who give responses like Freys I don't mess with because it's obvious in they have closed the door on the issue. They are too certain in their delusions. Smart people will know not to listen to those trolls... and that's who I want playing WAR with me ultimately.

So sense you mentioned the guy, this makes you not smart? Hehe I love messing with you guys, seriously thou, war looks cool and all, but it's just another fantasy. One day someone might come up with a true UO or shadowbane that works. GL with War seriously, you can look at my history, I am just messing with you guys  :) have fun salu!

And now if you think WAR = WoW clone, you are completely ignorant or you're a WoW noob.

Been playing MMOs since UO, I say WAR has the content of WoW, plays like WoW, feels like WoW.  BUT they are going in the right direction with the new patch coming out.  Seems like they are steering towards a more DAoC form (thank god).

The people who say, "You're ignorant for thinking WAR = WoW" , are just as ignorant as the people who troll the forums saying that.  Unless you have played the game, you really don't have a lot of room to be calling people stupid for having an opinion on the game, because guess what your side is?  An opinion.

Sigh, www.mmorpg.com forum community =)

Originally posted by xray00

 

 

Yes, but lets be honest, WoW copied most of its gameplay from EQ which itself took a great deal from MUDS.  WoW, of all the successful games out there had virtually nothing new to offer.  Questing - already done, raids - already done, character advancement - nothing new.  What it did do, however, was improve upon all of those aspects of the game.

Questing was streamlined and the interface improved to make quests easier to track.  Raids became a bit more dynamic.  Character gen they added talents which was a refined version of alternative advancement in EQ.

There is nothing wrong with using what has worked in the past and trying to improve upon it. 

I agree completely. Small changes and innovations over time add up and lead to the "next generation" of games that (we hope) learn from the best and worst of what came before.

Also remember that MMOs are a business - they want your money. Therefore, they will provide features that the majority enjoy and support in other games, in order to draw you in (and try to retain you) as a player.

Originally posted by WesKhan1

And now if you think WAR = WoW clone, you are completely ignorant or you're a WoW noob.

Been playing MMOs since UO, I say WAR has the content of WoW, plays like WoW, feels like WoW.  BUT they are going in the right direction with the new patch coming out.  Seems like they are steering towards a more DAoC form (thank god).

 

The people who say, "You're ignorant for thinking WAR = WoW" , are just as ignorant as the people who troll the forums saying that.  Unless you have played the game, you really don't have a lot of room to be calling people stupid for having an opinion on the game, because guess what your side is?  An opinion.

 

Sigh, www.mmorpg.com forum community =)

But some of us have played the game, and played it a lot and it is blatantly obvious to us when people are trolling. I think you are just a frustrated AoC fanboy, because they didn't allow you to get into the beta, hence the reason you are trying to purchase an invite to the game on various sites. I mean to search you name up on this site to see what some of your past post history has been like but it kept popping up with threads of you trying to buy some invites with real money. Obviously your opinion has been tainted and that just makes it that more obvious. Just because you want to play one game before it launches does not mean you have to bash another game coming out near the same time.

EDIT: Wanted to add what the point of me pointing out you trying multiple threads on different sites to buy your way into AoC beta. If you are willing to pay real cash to get into a beta of a game that is considered by many the rival of WAR, than your opinion has been more than likely swayed, hence the reason you just bash one and support the other.

OMGAWED WOW IZ SO MUCHH BETR THEN THIS GAME LKE FOR REEL I PLAYEDED THE BETA AND LIEK THEY STOLE LIEK THE HOTKEYS N STUFF FROM WoW LIKE WOW IZ SO INERVATEVE AND NEVER STOLD ANYTENG FROM ANY GAME EVAR  .

Look I'm pretending to be some douchebag who hasn't even heard of WAR except that it is a MMO and that it has orcs. WAR will be great as long as they keep some aspects from DAoC. WAR will destroy the shit factory that is WoW

Originally posted by spaz1337

OMGAWED WOW IZ SO MUCHH BETR THEN THIS GAME LKE FOR REEL I PLAYEDED THE BETA AND LIEK THEY STOLE LIEK THE HOTKEYS N STUFF FROM WoW LIKE WOW IZ SO INERVATEVE AND NEVER STOLD ANYTENG FROM ANY GAME EVAR  .

Look I'm pretending to be some douchebag who hasn't even heard of WAR except that it is a MMO and that it has orcs. WAR will be great as long as they keep some aspects from DAoC. WAR will destroy the shit factory that is WoW

They are just games people. Chill the Hell out.

Let people make ridiculous claims, then -- when the game is released -- debate to high heavens about which is better, who copied who and all that jazz.

As it's been stated, WoW did many things right and that is what made it popular. WAR is obviously going to be influenced by not just WoW, but every MMO with excellent design features.

It's likely those features will be altered and improved upon, and isn't that what we're all hoping for.

Of course we want innovation -- but you can't fault Mythic for -potentially- incorporating past successes; we should expect it to some degree.

No game is a clone strictly speaking, and I don't expect WAR to be either.

Geeze.

Am I correct in believing that the title of the thread is a 300 comparison?

Because if it is, I'm imagining the Penny Arcade strip (that is so often posted on threads like this) and tying it into 300 and just laughing hysterically at the thought....

Seriously though, isn't Warhammer Online actually being developed by Blizzard, and that Mythic is just a front?

I heard they took the exact same engine WoW uses and remodeled it from textures stolen from EQ2 and Vanguard?

I hear that they took the exact same music tracks in WoW and just spun them in reverse for Warhammer? I think I heard that they talk about the devil.

I heard that the Dwarves in the openining cinematic from WoW and from WAR are actually the same Dwarf? They must have had to pay him alot, he's famous!

My friend, who works at EA Activison Blizzard Mythic (the actually company name now after the merger and the fact Mythic is a dummy corp) that Blizzards new secret MMO project is actually Warhammer Online?

My sister's boyfriend's cousin's guild mate said that Darkfall is really just a covert name used around the EA Activision Blizzard Mythic office to describe what happens when a high level Destruction player crosses into a low Tier PvP area and becomes a chicken?

*snicker*

I used to play Chaos in the tabletop game. Loved the storyline.

This game has alot of possibilities to be great. Let's hope it's done right.

All you people who says this is a Wow clone need to realize, Warhammer has been out longer then Warcraft.

You guys in beta are lucky. Pull some strings and get me a invite! I signed up a long time ago under this same name.

I won't disagree of the similarity between WoW and WAR in terms of MMO game design. However, it's rather hard not to in the graphics department since WoW is based on the WAR franchise. I'll give credit to WoW for its easy to use and understand UI, but even an easy UI won't make up for what WoW lacks. That being a true PvP centric world where killing the enemy actually accounts for something, like world changing effects. The closest thing they have is zone wide affects, but all that does is give people of certains levels the incentive to PvP in those areas.

WAR is setup where every tier of PvE and PvP adds up to how well a certain faction is doing in the ongoing war. The purpose of WAR is for the ultimate victory for a faction to sack it's opposing factions capital. What I don't understand is, WoW has this very concept within it's game world but it's been restricted to Battlegrounds which have no affect on the game world itself.

DAoC is a masterpiece in terms of creating and ongoing, FUN PvP environment and they are creating a very similar design within WAR. WoW is an awesome game, but it failed to capitalize on the PvP aspect which could have been so easy considering the long history between the 2 factions, Alliance and Horde. Blizzard isn't going to care because they make more money then some small countries. Hence the reason it took 2 years before they got out their first expansion which didn't exactly improve any gameplay elements.

Just don't be suprised when WAR breaks 1 million subscribers and if all goes well, goes on to achieve WoW status of several million.

Originally posted by BlackWatch

WoW did what many other companies do... they waited for the market to become stable and established.  Once that happened, Blizzard moved into the market and virtually took it over. 

Blizzard learned form everyone else's mistakes.  When WoW launched, they did a lot of the things right that others had done wrong. 

Will WAR really innovate?  Not as much as most might think.  They will do what WoW did, look at the current games on the market and try to right their wrongs.  They will add their own flavor and a few features that put their WAR stamp on the game, but outside of that... they will leverage a tried and true-proven formula.  Why re-invent the wheel when it's already spinning and has good momentum?

I totally agree with Blackwatch.    I dont give care if WAR copies WoW or who WoW copied and so on and so on, all i care about is when WAR is released i enjoy playing the game. There gonner be listening to the comments of the beta players who are currently playing WAR so lets just hope they can bring us the best MMORPG on da planet. 

Sadly WoW is the big dog right now, so everything is going to be compared to it.  And the fanboi 12 year old are going to claim everything is a clone of WoW.

Get used to it, it's going to go on for at least another year.

I havent played WAR yet, but from the videos and screenshots ive seen, i would have to say that the characters and art style is similar to WoW, although i think WAR will be a superior game

Yoda - 

"Master Obi-Wan, not victory. The shroud of the dark side has fallen. Begun, this Clone War has!"