Is it even legal for Vanguard to try and pull a re-release ?

After all no one will play this game long at any given time, So the community will always be low at any given time.

Will they try and re-trick all the innocent people that don't read message boards and get fooled by the action packed back of the box story or vanguard's web site ? 

It will be a bold statement to say ,but I will anyway that only about 2% of gamers even know about game forums and to know that this game is done !

They should be feeling real bad that thousands had purchased Vanguard under false pretence the first time and they should get a refund !!

Most every item in the US can be returned but Video games and new vehicles and even new vehicles have to be backed up by the mfg.

If Vanguard does try and pull a stunt like that I hope the box will have a florescent orange sticker stating that will read :  Warning   Very high system requirenments, and this is a re-release. 

There will be a re-release next year according to Silius (Lead Game Designer) and by then people's machine will have caught up and the game will continue to improve. There have been MASSIVE improvements to VG and not only the performance side of it.

I think VG will survive and will regain and gain lots of new players because it's a fantastic game but it's simply ahead of it's time (spec wise) and still a bit rough around the edges.

As one of the devs said, time is VGs best friend.

Cheers

Originally posted by Dameros

There will be a re-release next year according to Silius (Lead Game Designer) and by then people's machine will have caught up and the game will continue to improve. There have been MASSIVE improvements to VG and not only the performance side of it.

I think VG will survive and will regain and gain lots of new players because it's a fantastic game but it's simply ahead of it's time (spec wise) and still a bit rough around the edges.

As one of the devs said, time is VGs best friend.

 

Cheers

So true, so true.

Originally posted by page

Is it even legal for Vanguard to try and pull a re-release ?

After all no one will play this game long at any given time, So the community will always be low at any given time.

Will they try and re-trick all the innocent people that don't read message boards and get fooled by the action packed back of the box story or vanguard's web site ? 

It will be a bold statement to say ,but I will anyway that only about 2% of gamers even know about game forums and to know that this game is done !

They should be feeling real bad that thousands had purchased Vanguard under false pretence the first time and they should get a refund !!

Most every item in the US can be returned but Video games and new vehicles and even new vehicles have to be backed up by the mfg.

If Vanguard does try and pull a stunt like that I hope the box will have a florescent orange sticker stating that will read :  Warning   Very high system requirenments, and this is a re-release. 

I support a rerelease actually, I think people should give it a try now that its been repaired quite a bit!

I stayed away from this game after playing the beta. Where it was pretty awful.  But i got a 10 trial about 3 weeks ago and the game had improved so much. Its a good game with all the different classes looking nice. I subsrcibed and enjoyed it ever since. The one main bad thing for me is the lack of people, I like playing a game with alot of people around, makes the game more enjoyable. Hopefully the re-release will make this better. Answer to your question it is legal as far as im aware and to be honest its the best thing Sony can do.

I kinda see this as one business buying another, then having a grand opening at the their new store.

Yeah, the state that VG was in at launch was entirely Sigil's fault, SOE is just the janitor that had to come in and clean up the mess, after the aquisition. And I must say, they are doing a surprisingly good job to boot.

Originally posted by Dameros

There will be a re-release next year according to Silius (Lead Game Designer) and by then people's machine will have caught up and the game will continue to improve. There have been MASSIVE improvements to VG and not only the performance side of it.

I think VG will survive and will regain and gain lots of new players because it's a fantastic game but it's simply ahead of it's time (spec wise) and still a bit rough around the edges.

As one of the devs said, time is VGs best friend.

 

Cheers

Who is going to be held accountable if they continue to not deliver on what they say?  How are they going to regain trust with players if they continue to not deliver on what they say?  At what point will people say these guys are liars and never stick to anything they say they are going to do?  They need to deliver, they don't have any more chances.

Originally posted by joeyboots

Yeah, the state that VG was in at launch was entirely Sigil's fault, SOE is just the janitor that had to come in and clean up the mess, after the aquisition. And I must say, they are doing a surprisingly good job to boot.

People tend to forget very quickly, that the people working on VG now under SOE, are the same people that worked on VG when it was under Sigil.  There is just not as many of them now after two massive staff cuts.

"Who is going to be held accountable if they continue to not deliver on what they say?"

I say you and the ninja dingo dogs...

Originally posted by Rubakai

I stayed away from this game after playing the beta. Where it was pretty awful.  But i got a 10 trial about 3 weeks ago and the game had improved so much. Its a good game with all the different classes looking nice. I subsrcibed and enjoyed it ever since. The one main bad thing for me is the lack of people, I like playing a game with alot of people around, makes the game more enjoyable. Hopefully the re-release will make this better. Answer to your question it is legal as far as im aware and to be honest its the best thing Sony can do.

Ditto that.  Though I dont think the population is horrible, if you're on durring regular hours there is a good 30 people or so in the areas I quest in, its just that area is so massive you only see them occassionaly.  That's not to get away from the point though, because the game will be so much better with a larger player base, beings it is so group oriented.

All in all, bought it and subscribed recently and loving every day of it.

With there not being much else to play, and everyone waiting on WAR and AoC, I think Vanguard will see a new player base simply because there arent any other quality games out there atm.

There's not going to be a re-release. What do you expect? SOE to pay for new boxes and marketing? Shut the servers down, wipe them and bring them back up? That isn't happening.

I don't even think the term "re-release" has ever been used. Re-launch has, and certainly Brad sorta insinuated all of the above during the last days of Sigil, but Hasium has since then said a re-launch would be nothing more than EQ2's WinBack promotional campaign done for Vanguard.

'course Hasium is gone now and the Vanguard team is smaller all together, so whatever a re-launch is for Vanguard probably has an even different meaning today. I wouldn't expect anything grand though, there's absolutely no reason to. Expect a free trial offering and a game update...nothing else.

I think that once they introduce a free trial the numbers will go up as the game is quality and will attract a lot players who, at this time, don't want to take the risk of buying the game. (look at the number of requests for a buddy key on these forums).

The numbers that will stay will depend on when they offer the free trail. As said above, there are no good MMOs out there at the moment and if the free trail is offered before big releases, WAR and AOC, then a lot will stick with VG.

Originally posted by Milky

Originally posted by joeyboots

Yeah, the state that VG was in at launch was entirely Sigil's fault, SOE is just the janitor that had to come in and clean up the mess, after the aquisition. And I must say, they are doing a surprisingly good job to boot.

People tend to forget very quickly, that the people working on VG now under SOE, are the same people that worked on VG when it was under Sigil.  There is just not as many of them now after two massive staff cuts.

Guess that just proves that sigil ran out of money and not talent 

how did I miss the 10-day trial? ah well too bad I have been wanting too try VG.

Originally posted by surlybird

how did I miss the 10-day trial? ah well too bad I have been wanting too try VG.

EVE had a very succesful re-release a year after its original release, something that has helped make the game as succesful as it is. When it first was released it was in a very early beta stage with lots of problems. However they did no marketing, no commersials or ads until a year later when they felt more ready, and with big spreads in computer magazines they took their place among the big names as a game not famous for its plethora of followers, but for its quality and original ideas among a world of copies.

Will Vanguard be a new EVE? I think not... The problem is, its one among a world of copies, not a completly new and original concept. It has nothing to offer that is not already out there and not already about to be released, and it has an awful community. If EVE had somehting from the start, it was the most mature and likeable community with tons of people from within the game industry, males and females alike, that really helped push the game forward. Vanguard on the other hand has from before its release had a following of abusive brats that go to any length to smack anyone pointing out flaws over the face.

Now they themselves admit those same flaws, but seriously.. now noone cares anymore.

Originally posted by swede2

Originally posted by Milky

Originally posted by joeyboots

Yeah, the state that VG was in at launch was entirely Sigil's fault, SOE is just the janitor that had to come in and clean up the mess, after the aquisition. And I must say, they are doing a surprisingly good job to boot.

People tend to forget very quickly, that the people working on VG now under SOE, are the same people that worked on VG when it was under Sigil.  There is just not as many of them now after two massive staff cuts.

Guess that just proves that sigil ran out of money and not talent 

A quarter or less of the original development team isn't going to somehow make miracles happen just because they're employed by SOE now instead of Sigil. I have no opinion about their individual talents because, of course, I don't know them, but I think it goes against common sense to believe a change of company brand on the teams' t-shirts suddenly means they now have capabilities far superior to their original, complete entity Sigil. It's probably safe to say they only have a fraction of that talent, being only a fraction of what Sigil was. SOE t-shirts don't make up for some 70+ other developers.

Originally posted by page

Is it even legal for Vanguard to try and pull a re-release ?

After all no one will play this game long at any given time, So the community will always be low at any given time.

Will they try and re-trick all the innocent people that don't read message boards and get fooled by the action packed back of the box story or vanguard's web site ? 

It will be a bold statement to say ,but I will anyway that only about 2% of gamers even know about game forums and to know that this game is done !

They should be feeling real bad that thousands had purchased Vanguard under false pretence the first time and they should get a refund !!

Most every item in the US can be returned but Video games and new vehicles and even new vehicles have to be backed up by the mfg.

If Vanguard does try and pull a stunt like that I hope the box will have a florescent orange sticker stating that will read :  Warning   Very high system requirenments, and this is a re-release. 

It's not a legal issue.  It's a marketing issue.  The plan is to have a relaunch with marketing that coincides with Trial Island.  Trial Island will be a free download... if people don't like it, then they are not out a penny.

And I guess I can't let your broad and false assumptions pass:

1) No one will play this game very long?  Wrong:  A lot of people have played it since release and love it, despite it's flaws.  Post merge, the servers are well populated and are experiencing an increase with resubs and new subscribers.  And this is all happening prior to Game Update 3 and APW.  I would expect to see the population go up even more after that update is in.

2) Innocent people, re-tricked?  That's laughable.  Sure, people were disappointed by the initial release because it didn't live up to expectations.  But anybody that was watching various forums (including this one) knew that when this game was released on January 28th it was not complete.  I bought it anyway and glad I did.  Hell, this is the whole purpose of the Re-release os because almost a year later this game is in much, much better shape than in release and will have the much awaited raid content.  Anyone who says this game isn't significantly improved is lying or simply isn't playing it.

3) How can 98% of a potential customer population be unaware of the official forums?  If I am thinking about buying a game I would go to their official site.  Why would this be any different for someone considering buying Vanguard. 

4) A company should feel bad and give refunds?  OK, following that logic, then I want money back for all the games I played and was disappointed in including LotRo, WoW and EQ2. 

5) Most every item purchased in the US can be returned etc.... I don't even know what you are trying to say, but there is a big difference between buying a $29 dollar game and not liking it and buying a $20,000 car and not liking it.  As far as I know, there are no computer games you can return after purchasing.

6)  Stunt?  What company in their right mind wouldn't attempt a re-release after such a poor launch.  This game is in good shape and getting better with every patch.  By the time they do the re-release the game will be over a year old and in a significant better state.  It worked for EQ2 and although I never returned to that game I heard they fixed it up, repackaged it and relaunched a game that is by all accounts rock solid and has great subscriber numbers.  I would predict the same would hold true for Vanguard.

It never ceases to amaze me why some people are so obsessed with a hatred of SoE, their anti-Vanguard campaign or both.  To be honest, I guess I see the same trolling on other MMORPG forums as well.  I can understand not liking the game for various reasons and respect posts that lay out those reasons in a rational and objective way.  But I don't understand why people make wildly absurd posts with completely invalid assumptions.

Bottom line, if someone is considering the game the safest method to try it out risk free is a buddy key.  If one can acquire a buddy key, I don't think the wait for Trial Island will be very long.  Those two methods are risk free in my opinion.  Beyond that, a $29 purchase for the box and a one month subscription is not an unreasonable approach to trying out a new game either.