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11/25/07 1:03:20 AM#1
  modjoe86

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11/25/07 1:25:10 AM#2
Originally posted by FilipinoFury

spikedhumor.com/articles/133452/Sicko_Best_Country_Ever.html

As much as I hate Michael Moore, I enjoyed the short.

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  Keebs1984

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11/25/07 2:10:18 AM#3

Originally posted by modjoe86
Originally posted by FilipinoFury

spikedhumor.com/articles/133452/Sicko_Best_Country_Ever.html

As much as I hate Michael Moore, I enjoyed the short.

I have been to Oslo, Norway.

It's an immaculate city and everything I saw in that video I could fully believe. The place was gorgeous and the people (and cops) were incredibly nice and friendly. Also, everybody spoke perfect English, better than a lot of native English speakers. . .

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  Pynda

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11/25/07 4:17:35 AM#4

Norway does look like a great place to live, but doing just a few minutes of research it was easy to find out how shamelessly Michael Moore was distorting facts. So I'd take anything that guy has to say with a grain of salt.

First - Norway's tax rates are very close to double those of the United States. But what is probably far more important is that Norway's small economy is currently being largely subsidized by petro dollars. What will happen when that gravy train runs dry?

Second - I'm ashamed how the US has come to have (I believe) the highest per capita prison population on the face of the planet. But I did find it somewhat creepy - not laudable - that Norway will take a murderer and basically greet him with a friendly smile and send him off to summer camp. Also, with respect to murder rates, Norway has a fairly homogeneous, well educated population. Whereas a country like the US has to deal with large groups of peoples where crime, ignorance, and predisposition to low intelligence are deeply ingrained.

Third - Moore states that Norway ranks #1 on the 'Human Development Index', and that the US ranks #64. Flat out incorrect, and grossly so. The US ranks #8th.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_Development_Index

  Phoenixs

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11/25/07 4:52:57 AM#5

When the oil runs out Norway hopes to deal with it through this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Petroleum_Fund_of_Norway

And Moore stated that the US ranks #64 in terms of how many women it has in it's government. It wasn't the rank of the US on the development index.

 

  Praetoriani

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11/25/07 5:46:25 AM#6

 

Originally posted by Pynda

Norway does look like a great place to live, but doing just a few minutes of research it was easy to find out how shamelessly Michael Moore was distorting facts. So I'd take anything that guy has to say with a grain of salt.

First - Norway's tax rates are very close to double those of the United States. But what is probably far more important is that Norway's small economy is currently being largely subsidized by petro dollars. What will happen when that gravy train runs dry?

Second - I'm ashamed how the US has come to have (I believe) the highest per capita prison population on the face of the planet. But I did find it somewhat creepy - not laudable - that Norway will take a murderer and basically greet him with a friendly smile and send him off to summer camp. Also, with respect to murder rates, Norway has a fairly homogeneous, well educated population. Whereas a country like the US has to deal with large groups of peoples where crime, ignorance, and predisposition to low intelligence are deeply ingrained.

Third - Moore states that Norway ranks #1 on the 'Human Development Index', and that the US ranks #64. Flat out incorrect, and grossly so. The US ranks #8th.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_Development_Index

 

 

 

Whereas I agree with the other things you said, however - they meant the US ranks 66th for having women in government, not the HDI.

 

"The place was gorgeous and the people (and cops) were incredibly nice and friendly."

 

Cops are people, too!

  BuzWeaver

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11/25/07 12:06:25 PM#7

I'll take a Constitutional Republic over a Socialistic system any day. There are some very appealing aspects to Norway, but at the same time I really enjoy our Liberties here.


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  b0rderline99

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11/25/07 12:37:18 PM#8

i like it

unfortunately there are to many ignorant/messed up/or just egotistical people in the US to do that

  KnivesOnly

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11/25/07 12:54:16 PM#9

Most Americans think Europe is the 3rd world lol.

  frodus

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11/25/07 1:08:38 PM#10

Europe and and Michael Moore....ROFL

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  MR-Bubbles

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11/25/07 1:33:13 PM#11

Originally posted by BuzWeaver

I'll take a Constitutional Republic over a Socialistic system any day. There are some very appealing aspects to Norway, but at the same time I really enjoy our Liberties here.

You like taking the libertie with your right to privacy and other such 'American' ideas

 

From what i hear your country is fast losing its Polished image with its recent changes to a police state.

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  Calensuleion

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11/25/07 1:42:54 PM#12

 

Originally posted by BuzWeaver

I'll take a Constitutional Republic over a Socialistic system any day. There are some very appealing aspects to Norway, but at the same time I really enjoy our Liberties here.

Please tell me which liberties you enjoy. I live in Denmark, which to some extend is like Norway. High taxes don't bother me that much when I consider what I get in return. Well, maybe I don't get it all return but it doesn't really bother me that much. Having a government that can provide a security that ensures you don't fall that low is something I find very important and is appealing.

 

Please note I'm not going into a debate about which system is better, I'm just curious about why you think a socialistic system isn't that good

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11/25/07 3:29:32 PM#13

... the only reason they drink is to save the planet... LOL I loved that line.

The difference between those who enjoy a Republic or a Democracy and those who enjoy Socialism is that one desires freedom over security, while the other desires security over freedom. Socialists are content to be secure and those who advocate a true Democracy are content to be free. It depends on your preference. Both forms of government have potential disadvantages. A true Democracy can only be achieved by political nihilism, and the head of a Socialist state has the potential to abuse his power and thus the citizens under his watch. I could be for either or any form of government as long as it has at its head or governing body capable rulers whose interests are those of the people.

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  stickm

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11/25/07 3:39:41 PM#14

4 year sentance for cutting 2 people up with a chainsaw? and he gets to work and play outside?

Im moving to Norway and im going to be a serial murderer. Seriously im sure the families of those victims are loving that.

  b0rderline99

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11/25/07 4:45:37 PM#15
Originally posted by stickm

4 year sentance for cutting 2 people up with a chainsaw? and he gets to work and play outside?

Im moving to Norway and im going to be a serial murderer. Seriously im sure the families of those victims are loving that.

the whole idea is that people in norway dont think like that, they are content with their lives

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11/25/07 5:47:06 PM#16

Giving birth is a burden on the world. This is according to British born, Toni Vernelli, 35, who had an abortion 10 years ago to ensure her carbon footprint would be kept to a minimum, the U.K.'s Daily Mail reported Sunday.

Vernelli -- who works for an environmental charity -- was later sterilized to help "protect the planet", the Mail reported.

"Having children is selfish. It's all about maintaining your genetic line at the expense of the planet," Vernelli told the Daily Mail, adding she believes bringing new life into the world only adds to the problem.

Click here to read the full article in the Daily Mail

The Mail also reported that Sara Irving, 31, also underwent sterilization to because she felt "a baby would pollute the planet".

Irving’s become an environmentalist as a teenager, it was reported, when she realized saving the environment was her top and foremost priority in life. After going through several boyfriends she finally found her now husband Mark Hudson who is also an advocate of the ‘no kid’s policy’, according to the Mail.

Need I say more.....

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  stickm

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11/25/07 6:26:54 PM#17

Originally posted by b0rderline99
Originally posted by stickm

4 year sentance for cutting 2 people up with a chainsaw? and he gets to work and play outside?

Im moving to Norway and im going to be a serial murderer. Seriously im sure the families of those victims are loving that.

the whole idea is that people in norway dont think like that, they are content with their lives


Im assuming that was sarcastic. If i could kill 2 people and only get 4 years... i might actually do it cause i got a few people in mind :P... its that tempting! After all they would probably hook me up with a job thats more pleasant then my own :D. picking potatos sounds like a pretty cool job.

  KnivesOnly

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11/25/07 6:35:30 PM#18

I say an eye for a eye, if you take a life then yours should be taken too.

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11/25/07 6:42:12 PM#19

Originally posted by KnivesOnly

I say an eye for a eye, if you take a life then yours should be taken too.

 

Agreed

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  Arndur

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11/25/07 6:48:22 PM#20
Originally posted by KnivesOnly

I say an eye for a eye, if you take a life then yours should be taken too.


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