Just curious.

Needs to be a "principle" option.  I simply cannot in good conscience give my money to a company that thinks it's okay to release a game in such a sorry state, and expect us to pay for it.

Originally posted by deucallion

Needs to be a "principle" option.  I simply cannot in good conscience give my money to a company that thinks it's okay to release a game in such a sorry state, and expect us to pay for it.

Sigil is responsible for that debacle. At the moment however they are no longer holding the reins, its SOE.

Originally posted by Arcken

Originally posted by deucallion

Needs to be a "principle" option.  I simply cannot in good conscience give my money to a company that thinks it's okay to release a game in such a sorry state, and expect us to pay for it.

Sigil is responsible for that debacle. At the moment however they are no longer holding the reins, its SOE.

Yeah it's obvious Sigil had no artists because the games sooo bland and ugly, hopefully SOE will send some over.... oh wait Planetside, Everquest, Everquest 2 and now Vanguard... all really generic boring ugly looking games, theres no hope lol.

I voted other. Because i have several reasons not listed above.

1. SoE has their grubby hands on it. That in my books makes it tainted. (go research SoE's track record of sweeping changes.)

2. The original Devs are not working on it anymore (aka the got fired).

3. It rehashes everything that eq and wow does... (same format of quests? kill x of y? borringggg)

And many more...

I agree.  This mess may have started with Sigil, but i'm not convinced it's in better hands with SoE.  I simply don't trust them.  Thus, they get none of my money

Originally posted by miffywiffy

 

Originally posted by Arcken

Originally posted by deucallion

Needs to be a "principle" option.  I simply cannot in good conscience give my money to a company that thinks it's okay to release a game in such a sorry state, and expect us to pay for it.

Sigil is responsible for that debacle. At the moment however they are no longer holding the reins, its SOE.

 

Yeah it's obvious Sigil had no artists because the games sooo bland and ugly, hopefully SOE will send some over.... oh wait Planetside, Everquest, Everquest 2 and now Vanguard... all really generic boring ugly looking games, theres no hope lol.

To be fair, there hasnt been a single decent MMO since EQ1. Theyve all been clones ever since, that that includes WoW. The genre is all but dead, and frankly, its good ole fashioned greed that did it in. Good riddance to the whole generation of 1337 wastrels.

Originally posted by Arcken

Originally posted by miffywiffy

 

Originally posted by Arcken

Originally posted by deucallion

Needs to be a "principle" option.  I simply cannot in good conscience give my money to a company that thinks it's okay to release a game in such a sorry state, and expect us to pay for it.

Sigil is responsible for that debacle. At the moment however they are no longer holding the reins, its SOE.

 

Yeah it's obvious Sigil had no artists because the games sooo bland and ugly, hopefully SOE will send some over.... oh wait Planetside, Everquest, Everquest 2 and now Vanguard... all really generic boring ugly looking games, theres no hope lol.

To be fair, there hasnt been a single decent MMO since EQ1. Theyve all been clones ever since, that that includes WoW. The genre is all but dead, and frankly, its good ole fashioned greed that did it in. Good riddance to the whole generation of 1337 wastrels.

Indeed. It is a sad state of affairs when one has to agree with the above. But until someone comes up to the plate and innovates, it will be same old pizza, different topping.

Originally posted by ArcheusCross

 

Originally posted by Arcken

Originally posted by miffywiffy

 

Originally posted by Arcken

Originally posted by deucallion

Needs to be a "principle" option.  I simply cannot in good conscience give my money to a company that thinks it's okay to release a game in such a sorry state, and expect us to pay for it.

Sigil is responsible for that debacle. At the moment however they are no longer holding the reins, its SOE.

 

Yeah it's obvious Sigil had no artists because the games sooo bland and ugly, hopefully SOE will send some over.... oh wait Planetside, Everquest, Everquest 2 and now Vanguard... all really generic boring ugly looking games, theres no hope lol.

To be fair, there hasnt been a single decent MMO since EQ1. Theyve all been clones ever since, that that includes WoW. The genre is all but dead, and frankly, its good ole fashioned greed that did it in. Good riddance to the whole generation of 1337 wastrels.

 

Indeed. It is a sad state of affairs when one has to agree with the above. But until someone comes up to the plate and innovates, it will be same old pizza, different topping.

Its not the lack of imagination, its the greed of the companies. Its the same reason were still using fossil fuels, regardless of how bad they really are. Until its going to make some corporation rich, the right thing never gets done.

Originally posted by Arcken

Originally posted by ArcheusCross

 

Originally posted by Arcken

Originally posted by miffywiffy

 

Originally posted by Arcken

Originally posted by deucallion

Needs to be a "principle" option.  I simply cannot in good conscience give my money to a company that thinks it's okay to release a game in such a sorry state, and expect us to pay for it.

Sigil is responsible for that debacle. At the moment however they are no longer holding the reins, its SOE.

 

Yeah it's obvious Sigil had no artists because the games sooo bland and ugly, hopefully SOE will send some over.... oh wait Planetside, Everquest, Everquest 2 and now Vanguard... all really generic boring ugly looking games, theres no hope lol.

To be fair, there hasnt been a single decent MMO since EQ1. Theyve all been clones ever since, that that includes WoW. The genre is all but dead, and frankly, its good ole fashioned greed that did it in. Good riddance to the whole generation of 1337 wastrels.

 

Indeed. It is a sad state of affairs when one has to agree with the above. But until someone comes up to the plate and innovates, it will be same old pizza, different topping.

Its not the lack of imagination, its the greed of the companies. Its the same reason were still using fossil fuels, regardless of how bad they really are. Until its going to make some corporation rich, the right thing never gets done.

Lol, never thought of it in quite that way before, but you're absolutely right.  Capitolism FTW! . . or something.

I have no intention of paying for a game with such mixed reviews and possible performance issues, without trying it first on my PC. If they gave you the client and a month play for free, I would probably give it a try.

Nothing stops me from playing, infact i just started and i am liking it a lot.

In fact i question the OP as to why he includes buggy and prefomance issues in his poll, as far as i have played it has not one single bug, and the performance is just find, it runs on an enhanced Unreal2 enigine, so now that it has been opitimised it runs just fine!

My vote was for "Other" ---> Weird animations

Im happy with a lot of the animation fixes. I chuckle everytime I see my disciple spin his bo staff around his neck.

It has nothing to do with greed, beside that fact...how do you means greed? For all you know the company CEO and employees give money to good causes. The company need to make an profit, they are there to get money, the costumer only get the attention with is needed to keep the money flowing in enough. Costumers come on second place after the money.

Making an complete new MMO is risky, why would they risk that now if they could just make an clone and satisfy the majority of MMO'er like Blizzard did and earn a hell of a lot with it. It is a shamefully treu and the companies who actualy want to be inovating can not be, becouse of money. For most companies making an MMO with fails means there end. Very few companies can survive that, would you risk your home, car and everything you have so MMO players might have an inovating game, while making a clone could give you an great income? As an Gamer I would say yes, but an businessman I say no.

That is the whole problem. PE clearly has a good amount of money in there pocket, giving them the opertunity to actualy stop with production, but belive me, that has cost the millions.

Anyhow back to the subject. I like Vanguard, but my computer just can not hadle the game good enough. I disliked playing with an low FPS. However the comunity is great. The missions and story for what I have seen are nice. Production is mediocore. Grafics if you have the right machine are awsome. Overall I think the game is nice enough to play I think SOE has done an great job on improving the game.

Originally posted by Coman

It has nothing to do with greed, beside that fact...how do you means greed? For all you know the company CEO and employees give money to good causes. The company need to make an profit, they are there to get money, the costumer only get the attention with is needed to keep the money flowing in enough. Costumers come on second place after the money.

Making an complete new MMO is risky, why would they risk that now if they could just make an clone and satisfy the majority of MMO'er like Blizzard did and earn a hell of a lot with it. It is a shamefully treu and the companies who actualy want to be inovating can not be, becouse of money. For most companies making an MMO with fails means there end. Very few companies can survive that, would you risk your home, car and everything you have so MMO players might have an inovating game, while making a clone could give you an great income? As an Gamer I would say yes, but an businessman I say no.

That is the whole problem. PE clearly has a good amount of money in there pocket, giving them the opertunity to actualy stop with production, but belive me, that has cost the millions.

Anyhow back to the subject. I like Vanguard, but my computer just can not hadle the game good enough. I disliked playing with an low FPS. However the comunity is great. The missions and story for what I have seen are nice. Production is mediocore. Grafics if you have the right machine are awsome. Overall I think the game is nice enough to play I think SOE has done an great job on improving the game.

My point is, companies are out there to make money, regardless of who they hurt, who they subvert, or who they kill when it all comes down to it. Why you ask, would corporations cut corners, and produce inferior products? Greed. They want more money.

I don't care if SOE is involved, if the game was released in an unfinished state or whether Sigil was greedy.

In a gaming genre where there are so few quality games available, i am happy to find one that has everything i want in an mmorpg and has quality oozing from every pore.

And am not going to denie myself the experience because of priniciples that will have no effect on anyone apart rom myself.

Whats keeping me from playing is a free trial. I dont jump into any MMO without trying it out first.

Also, even if I did like it a friend that does have it said the game is like 15GB. Thats just way too huge.

The blind SOE hate can be hilarious sometimes. Like the person that said all the original developers were no longer on the game. Thats pure ignorance right there.

Originally posted by Arcken

Originally posted by deucallion

Needs to be a "principle" option.  I simply cannot in good conscience give my money to a company that thinks it's okay to release a game in such a sorry state, and expect us to pay for it.

Sigil is responsible for that debacle. At the moment however they are no longer holding the reins, its SOE.

Both Sigil and SOE are equally to blame. SOE published and marketed the game and they knew the condition it was in when it was released.

originally posted by Xiaoki

The blind SOE hate can be hilarious sometimes. Like the person that said all the original developers were no longer on the game. Thats pure ignorance right there.

Explain why it is ignorance? It is a fact that most of the original developers are no longer with the game because most were fired without notice. That certainly left a stigma with the product as well as hurting it's development. Some of us take things like that into consideration when choosing to support a product and invest our valuable time with it. Disregarding  those facts is ignorant.

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Originally posted by miffywiffy
How about it's just shit? lol.

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Good argument, must be pleased with that.