Originally posted by Wharg0ul

The problem with Neocron (1 or 2) is the very low server populations. I do have some fond memories of that game, though.

But it also suffers from bugs, small game world, and lack of real content.

I mean it has plenty of real content and yea.. that last patch did do it wrong but that seems to happen in all the MMO's I play but at least I know the dev is working on a patch to move everything to the NC one cycle but still keep all the new content and add a few extras.. which is why TR kinda shocks me... to be a pay 2 play game and promise so much pre-release and to kum out so basic.

A poor crafting system and sense you've played NC you know how advance theirs is.. from BluePrinting any device and/or armor to researching rare tech parts to make "hidden" weapons.. driving ATVs, Jetpacks, ...it has a bar, a club, and the player housing is insane. if only you kould lay down in tha bed :D.

I'm sure TR will add more content, hopefully... not sure what they'll add exactly but I know it will probably remain the same(as it is) for at least 6 months or so and odds are some new bugs will show up in the next patch b/c i kinda feel on the back of my neck that they are rushing and anyone knows a rushed patch is a buggy one.

They are going to have to fight to add more content if they want to keep the bulk of their players stuck to the game. With the 50 dollar out of box price and at least 2 months of play 30 dollars.. you're already at $80 bucks just to grind.. I dont see anyone playing this game for years and years like WoW (which i've never played) or NeoCron.

But if you got $100 or so dollars to burn, game+2 or 3 months of playtime, then I say go at it.. it is a fun game if not single player linear but extremly enjoyable.. just really wish they would think about tha fact that they have a price for it and really add more content.. i think for tha amount of money.. the player IMO, would deserve it.

A single player with a multiplayer aspect for peer 2 peer with say a friend would be just as fun. and minus the monthly fee. They got the NPC helping you out pretty good and it wouldnt take much to add that to other areas.

I had tried Neocron 2, and I was far from impressed.  If there was a game to be called out to for being a game released in a Beta state, this would be it as well.  I had crashed over 9 times attempting to create a character, then once created.... meh.  A laundry list of bugs, poor performance and lack of any real RPG element for me let alone the MMO part.  Granted it seemed interesting (and I was gun-ho ready to adopt it) but it just didn't grab me.

Planetside, I had never played either but if you Vaden say its just like TR, then I may try it out.  From what I read, and heard it isn't anywhere close, but thats all hearsay.

TR still in my book is the only game so far to capture my attention for this specific genre.  All others just seemed to fall short.

Originally posted by Vaden

 

Originally posted by Wharg0ul

The problem with Neocron (1 or 2) is the very low server populations. I do have some fond memories of that game, though.

But it also suffers from bugs, small game world, and lack of real content.

 

I mean it has plenty of real content and yea.. that last patch did do it wrong but that seems to happen in all the MMO's I play but at least I know the dev is working on a patch to move everything to the NC one cycle but still keep all the new content and add a few extras.. which is why TR kinda shocks me... to be a pay 2 play game and promise so much pre-release and to kum out so basic.

A poor crafting system and sense you've played NC you know how advance theirs is.. from BluePrinting any device and/or armor to researching rare tech parts to make "hidden" weapons.. driving ATVs, Jetpacks, ...it has a bar, a club, and the player housing is insane. if only you kould lay down in tha bed :D.

I'm sure TR will add more content, hopefully... not sure what they'll add exactly but I know it will probably remain the same(as it is) for at least 6 months or so and odds are some new bugs will show up in the next patch b/c i kinda feel on the back of my neck that they are rushing and anyone knows a rushed patch is a buggy one.

They are going to have to fight to add more content if they want to keep the bulk of their players stuck to the game. With the 50 dollar out of box price and at least 2 months of play 30 dollars.. you're already at $80 bucks just to grind.. I dont see anyone playing this game for years and years like WoW (which i've never played) or NeoCron.

But if you got $100 or so dollars to burn, game+2 or 3 months of playtime, then I say go at it.. it is a fun game if not single player linear but extremly enjoyable.. just really wish they would think about tha fact that they have a price for it and really add more content.. i think for tha amount of money.. the player IMO, would deserve it.

A single player with a multiplayer aspect for peer 2 peer with say a friend would be just as fun. and minus the monthly fee. They got the NPC helping you out pretty good and it wouldnt take much to add that to other areas.

I've no idea what you're comparing TR to in terms of content.  For your $50 TR has as much if not more content than 98% of games released.  You buy something like KOTOR, BioShock or Crysis and you have under a week of content, if that.

As far as value for your money, TR content beats pretty much everything on the market for the first month.  And if you've run out after the first month - well, the $15 is optional.  If you feel that you've done all the content in a month, no need to pay the monthly fee.

TR in terms of size, the number of quests and character skills is very much on par with all other major MMORPG releases - EQ2 / WoW / LoTRO and ahead of many of the crap releases - VG, DnL, AA, etc.

so  the OP pre ordered   didnt receive hes codes for whatever the reasons

and come here bashing a game  that he pre ordered and would probably be playing without this  unfortunate codes chip thing ?

no comment.

Originally posted by Wharg0ul

 

Originally posted by Hexxeity

Don't worry, fanbois!  There seem to be enough of you that the game will survive long enough to actually become good.  They will eventually correct the level of challenge and add more content, right?

They might not ever make it less solo-centric, in which case I'll never play, but there are plenty of anti-social gamers out there who will love it.

 

This is just an idle observation, but this place seems to have become infested with people like you....people who accuse anyone who likes a game of being a "fanboi".

Personally, I try almost every new MMO that comes out. (Still looking for "the one".) I like quite a few of them. I'm a "fanboi" of all of these, then, I guess, eh?

If I DON'T like a game, I post the reasons why I didn't care for it...and then go play something I enjoy. I don't sit around and post repeatedly why "this game sucks, and all of you who like it are wrong, and you suck as well", etc.

I just don't understand the mentality of some people...

 

Believe it or not, not every word written on public forums is a comment on your personal experience, values, or feelings.

I understand all too well the mentality of people who think everything is all about themselves.

Originally posted by Hatewall

This is a bomb. I canceled my pre-order because Best Buy doesn't find it neccessary to send out pre-order codes so we can take advantage of the pre-launch.

This game is generic in every way and not the product I would have expected RG to release.

 

WGAS comes to mind.

 

 

Lol, his forum name says enough for me.

Rubish? Then why are there 3 times as much posts in here than Hellgate?

Originally posted by lightblade

Rubish? Then why are there 3 times as much posts in here than Hellgate?

Because people are actually playing HG:L, no reason to post on the forums when you are playing the game.

Seems like the people that are proclaiming that Tabula Rasa is such a good game are spending a lot of their time on MMORPG.com instead of playing.

The fact that the people that like the game feel the need to defend it against the criticism, instead of just playing, indicates to me that they may not have as much faith in their chosen game as they would like people to believe.

A great product doesn't need any defense.

Originally posted by ThompsonSub

 

Originally posted by lightblade

Rubish? Then why are there 3 times as much posts in here than Hellgate?

 

Because people are actually playing HG:L, no reason to post on the forums when you are playing the game.

Seems like the people that are proclaiming that Tabula Rasa is such a good game are spending a lot of their time on MMORPG.com instead of playing.

The fact that the people that like the game feel the need to defend it against the criticism, instead of just playing, indicates to me that they may not have as much faith in their chosen game as they would like people to believe.

 

Yeah because we couldn't be at work or anything.

I preordered and play both and HG:L, as fun as it is, has about 1/4 of the depth of TR. It' still fun as hell, but in a very basic way.

It's somewhat representative of an MMORPG players' mindset that they tend to spend more time on message boards.  Hellgate: London, despite their attempts to shoehorn it into that model, is not really an MMORPG.  It's even less an MMORPG than Guild Wars, really, considering how tiny its congregation areas are and how you can only have 4 (or is that 6) players on actual combat maps, no PvP, ect.

However, Hellgate: London is still a pretty fun game.  I think the reasons for playing both games are different enough that you can play both and enjoy them both for different reasons.

As for this thread, it failed on page 1.  The OP's most recent post is over on Age of Conan where he says he can't wait for the game to come out with nudity so he can "beat his meat".  If I were a detractor of Tabula Rasa, I'd be really embarrassed to have anything to do with this guy.

Originally posted by ThompsonSub

 

Originally posted by lightblade

Rubish? Then why are there 3 times as much posts in here than Hellgate?

 

Because people are actually playing HG:L, no reason to post on the forums when you are playing the game.

Seems like the people that are proclaiming that Tabula Rasa is such a good game are spending a lot of their time on MMORPG.com instead of playing.

The fact that the people that like the game feel the need to defend it against the criticism, instead of just playing, indicates to me that they may not have as much faith in their chosen game as they would like people to believe.

A great product doesn't need any defense.

As far as a great product not needing any defense... take a look at your own post history. 69 posts in the past 32 days, EVERY single one of them bashing TR. Here's a bit of of news for you, a POS game, as you claim TR to be, doesn't need people going on personal crusades and making it their lifes goal to bash them, in order to fail.

HG that good that you'd rather be worrying about how good TR is doing? Yep, obviously so.

The more you guys post this drivel, the more you show your true colors.

I would argue, I spend my time on mmorpg.com while at work and spend my time playing TR at home.

Originally posted by Nyii

I would argue, I spend my time on mmorpg.com while at work and spend my time playing TR at home.

As do I :)

I work 60+ hours a week, so I get a lot of time to post :)

Originally posted by Mithrandolir

 

Originally posted by ThompsonSub

 

Originally posted by lightblade

Rubish? Then why are there 3 times as much posts in here than Hellgate?

 

Because people are actually playing HG:L, no reason to post on the forums when you are playing the game.

Seems like the people that are proclaiming that Tabula Rasa is such a good game are spending a lot of their time on MMORPG.com instead of playing.

The fact that the people that like the game feel the need to defend it against the criticism, instead of just playing, indicates to me that they may not have as much faith in their chosen game as they would like people to believe.

A great product doesn't need any defense.

 

As far as a great product not needing any defense... take a look at your own post history. 69 posts in the past 32 days, EVERY single one of them bashing TR. Here's a bit of of news for you, a POS game, as you claim TR to be, doesn't need people going on personal crusades and making it their lifes goal to bash them, in order to fail.

HG that good that you'd rather be worrying about how good TR is doing? Yep, obviously so.

The more you guys post this drivel, the more you show your true colors.

 

This is nothing more than a troll post trying to personalize the issue.

Your fanboy crusade is no different and you show your true colors by trying to allude that you are somehow more justified in your rabid fandom than someone else is in their dislike.

As far as "drivel" goes, your post history is nothing to write home about.

I demand that everybody have the same opinion, right now, because it's so totally wrong to disagree.

[/sarcasm]

Seriously, this is a line we're all in danger of going over: Whether it's fanboism or hating, either is a slippery slope that detracts from the truth of the thing.  Fact of the matter is, no game is universally loved or hated, you're just going to have to learn to accept that.  When you have lost the ability to discern between reasonable judgment of the game versus it being "trolling", you have lost the battle to avoid falling down the slippery slope into falsehood.

Slip-ups are to be expected, so check yourself regularly.  If you've gone down either the hating or fanboy slippery slipe, then it's time to get back on top of the fence of objective thinking.  If you can't do that, walk away, you're clearly too emotional about to be objective towards this and  therefore your participation is only harmful.

Originally posted by ThompsonSub

 

Originally posted by Mithrandolir

 

Originally posted by ThompsonSub

 

Originally posted by lightblade

Rubish? Then why are there 3 times as much posts in here than Hellgate?

 

Because people are actually playing HG:L, no reason to post on the forums when you are playing the game.

Seems like the people that are proclaiming that Tabula Rasa is such a good game are spending a lot of their time on MMORPG.com instead of playing.

The fact that the people that like the game feel the need to defend it against the criticism, instead of just playing, indicates to me that they may not have as much faith in their chosen game as they would like people to believe.

A great product doesn't need any defense.

 

As far as a great product not needing any defense... take a look at your own post history. 69 posts in the past 32 days, EVERY single one of them bashing TR. Here's a bit of of news for you, a POS game, as you claim TR to be, doesn't need people going on personal crusades and making it their lifes goal to bash them, in order to fail.

HG that good that you'd rather be worrying about how good TR is doing? Yep, obviously so.

The more you guys post this drivel, the more you show your true colors.

 

 

This is nothing more than a troll post trying to personalize the issue.

Your fanboy crusade is no different and you show your true colors by trying to allude that you are somehow more justified in your rabid fandom than someone else is in their dislike.

As far as "drivel" goes, your post history is nothing to write home about.

My history is just dandy thank you. Yours speaks for itself. I hang out in forums of games that I like playing. You hang out stirring up trouble and bashing the playerbase of a game that you do not like.

I have never once insinuated that I think that my opinion of the game is any more justified or deserving of space on this forum or any other, than someone with an opposite opinion. In fact, I have encouraged negative reviews of the game from those that are able to communicate without resorting to a 3rd garde level.

No please... go ahead, justify your attacks all that you want.

I took your EXACT logic and twisted on you and you squirm like a little worm. You guys are all the same. Now back to reading some well thought out opinions, negative or not, anything but this garbage.

Originally posted by geldonyetich

I demand that everybody have the same opinion, right now, because it's so totally wrong to disagree.

[/sarcasm]

Seriously, this is a line we're all in danger of going over: Whether it's fanboism or hating, either is a slippery slope that detracts from the truth of the thing.  Fact of the matter is, no game is universally loved or hated, you're just going to have to learn to accept that.  When you have lost the ability to discern between reasonable judgment of the game versus it being "trolling", you have lost the battle to avoid falling down the slippery slope into falsehood.

Slip-ups are to be expected, so check yourself regularly.  If you've gone down either the hating or fanboy slippery slipe, then it's time to get back on top of the fence of objective thinking.  If you can't do that, walk away, you're clearly too emotional about to be objective towards this and  therefore your participation is only harmful.

I'm plenty objective and love reading posts from folks who did not like the game. I agree with some of them and have posted things about the game that I don;t like as well.

But if loving every minute of playing the game makes me a fanboy, then count me in! I love this game.

You won't see me once, in 250 posts, attacking anyone for a different opinion from mine. I will, however attack back when attacked. A big part of that for me is entertainment, I find these boards a complete riot  and they make my work day go faster :)

Originally posted by ThompsonSub

 

Originally posted by Mithrandolir

 

Originally posted by ThompsonSub

 

Originally posted by Mithrandolir

 

Originally posted by ThompsonSub

 

Originally posted by lightblade

Rubish? Then why are there 3 times as much posts in here than Hellgate?

 

Because people are actually playing HG:L, no reason to post on the forums when you are playing the game.

Seems like the people that are proclaiming that Tabula Rasa is such a good game are spending a lot of their time on MMORPG.com instead of playing.

The fact that the people that like the game feel the need to defend it against the criticism, instead of just playing, indicates to me that they may not have as much faith in their chosen game as they would like people to believe.

A great product doesn't need any defense.

 

As far as a great product not needing any defense... take a look at your own post history. 69 posts in the past 32 days, EVERY single one of them bashing TR. Here's a bit of of news for you, a POS game, as you claim TR to be, doesn't need people going on personal crusades and making it their lifes goal to bash them, in order to fail.

HG that good that you'd rather be worrying about how good TR is doing? Yep, obviously so.

The more you guys post this drivel, the more you show your true colors.

 

 

This is nothing more than a troll post trying to personalize the issue.

Your fanboy crusade is no different and you show your true colors by trying to allude that you are somehow more justified in your rabid fandom than someone else is in their dislike.

As far as "drivel" goes, your post history is nothing to write home about.

 

My history is just dandy thank you. Yours speaks for itself. I hang out in forums of games that I like playing. You hang out stirring up trouble and bashing the playerbase of a game that you do not like.

I have never once insinuated that I think that my opinion of the game is any more justified or deserving of space on this forum or any other, than someone with an opposite opinion. In fact, I have encouraged negative reviews of the game from those that are able to communicate without resorting to a 3rd garde level.

No please... go ahead, justify your attacks all that you want.

I took your EXACT logic and twisted on you and you squirm like a little worm. You guys are all the same. Now back to reading some well thought out opinions, negative or not, anything but this garbage.

 

 

Another troll post that has nothing to do with the game.

Troll some more, fanboy, won't help the game get better.

Thankfully the game doesn't need my help, it's kicking enough ass to make it just fine with or without me. But you might want hit the "bash" button a bit faster because you are failing your crusade.

You, however, do entertain me greatly and for that I thank you :)

Originally posted by Mithrandolir

 

Originally posted by ThompsonSub

 

Originally posted by Mithrandolir

 

Originally posted by ThompsonSub

 

Originally posted by Mithrandolir

 

Originally posted by ThompsonSub

 

Originally posted by lightblade

Rubish? Then why are there 3 times as much posts in here than Hellgate?

 

Because people are actually playing HG:L, no reason to post on the forums when you are playing the game.

Seems like the people that are proclaiming that Tabula Rasa is such a good game are spending a lot of their time on MMORPG.com instead of playing.

The fact that the people that like the game feel the need to defend it against the criticism, instead of just playing, indicates to me that they may not have as much faith in their chosen game as they would like people to believe.

A great product doesn't need any defense.

 

As far as a great product not needing any defense... take a look at your own post history. 69 posts in the past 32 days, EVERY single one of them bashing TR. Here's a bit of of news for you, a POS game, as you claim TR to be, doesn't need people going on personal crusades and making it their lifes goal to bash them, in order to fail.

HG that good that you'd rather be worrying about how good TR is doing? Yep, obviously so.

The more you guys post this drivel, the more you show your true colors.

 

 

This is nothing more than a troll post trying to personalize the issue.

Your fanboy crusade is no different and you show your true colors by trying to allude that you are somehow more justified in your rabid fandom than someone else is in their dislike.

As far as "drivel" goes, your post history is nothing to write home about.

 

My history is just dandy thank you. Yours speaks for itself. I hang out in forums of games that I like playing. You hang out stirring up trouble and bashing the playerbase of a game that you do not like.

I have never once insinuated that I think that my opinion of the game is any more justified or deserving of space on this forum or any other, than someone with an opposite opinion. In fact, I have encouraged negative reviews of the game from those that are able to communicate without resorting to a 3rd garde level.

No please... go ahead, justify your attacks all that you want.

I took your EXACT logic and twisted on you and you squirm like a little worm. You guys are all the same. Now back to reading some well thought out opinions, negative or not, anything but this garbage.

 

 

Another troll post that has nothing to do with the game.

Troll some more, fanboy, won't help the game get better.

 

Thankfully the game doesn't need my help, it's kicking enough ass to make it just fine with or without me. But you might want hit the "bash" button a bit faster because you are failing your crusade.

Sadly, you would not need to constantly try and justify your love for a shallow and pointless game if said "crusade" was failing.

You keep on taking your little boy troll shots and I'll keep on telling people about the game.

Originally posted by ThompsonSub

 

Originally posted by Mithrandolir

 

Originally posted by ThompsonSub

 

Originally posted by Mithrandolir

 

Originally posted by ThompsonSub

 

Originally posted by Mithrandolir

 

Originally posted by ThompsonSub

 

Originally posted by lightblade

Rubish? Then why are there 3 times as much posts in here than Hellgate?

 

Because people are actually playing HG:L, no reason to post on the forums when you are playing the game.

Seems like the people that are proclaiming that Tabula Rasa is such a good game are spending a lot of their time on MMORPG.com instead of playing.

The fact that the people that like the game feel the need to defend it against the criticism, instead of just playing, indicates to me that they may not have as much faith in their chosen game as they would like people to believe.

A great product doesn't need any defense.

 

As far as a great product not needing any defense... take a look at your own post history. 69 posts in the past 32 days, EVERY single one of them bashing TR. Here's a bit of of news for you, a POS game, as you claim TR to be, doesn't need people going on personal crusades and making it their lifes goal to bash them, in order to fail.

HG that good that you'd rather be worrying about how good TR is doing? Yep, obviously so.

The more you guys post this drivel, the more you show your true colors.

 

 

This is nothing more than a troll post trying to personalize the issue.

Your fanboy crusade is no different and you show your true colors by trying to allude that you are somehow more justified in your rabid fandom than someone else is in their dislike.

As far as "drivel" goes, your post history is nothing to write home about.

 

My history is just dandy thank you. Yours speaks for itself. I hang out in forums of games that I like playing. You hang out stirring up trouble and bashing the playerbase of a game that you do not like.

I have never once insinuated that I think that my opinion of the game is any more justified or deserving of space on this forum or any other, than someone with an opposite opinion. In fact, I have encouraged negative reviews of the game from those that are able to communicate without resorting to a 3rd garde level.

No please... go ahead, justify your attacks all that you want.

I took your EXACT logic and twisted on you and you squirm like a little worm. You guys are all the same. Now back to reading some well thought out opinions, negative or not, anything but this garbage.

 

 

Another troll post that has nothing to do with the game.

Troll some more, fanboy, won't help the game get better.

 

Thankfully the game doesn't need my help, it's kicking enough ass to make it just fine with or without me. But you might want hit the "bash" button a bit faster because you are failing your crusade.

 

Sadly, you would not need to constantly try and justify your love for a shallow and pointless game if said "crusade" was failing.

You keep on taking your little boy troll shots and I'll keep on telling people about the game.

Ok deal!