Any estimates? Oh and I mean a subscription based MMO.

star wars galaxies hands down

Everquest II

Originally posted by liddokun

Everquest II

Games that will come close? Warhammer, AoC, tCoS, Hellgate?..

Only time will show :)

Everquest II

Definitely not SWG.. Station Access is probably the only thing keeping that thing afloat. 

There are several sites which track MMORPG populations out there. Google it, Last one I saw, and It hasnt been updated in a while was at http://www.mmogchart.com/

Based on that data (old as it may be) Lineage was a solid #2.

Hope this helps

Torrential

Really depends on if you mean a US market or World-wide.

I would say Guild Wars or EQ2 for US.

Originally posted by Czzarre

There are several sites which track MMORPG populations out there. Google it, Last one I saw, and It hasnt been updated in a while was at http://www.mmogchart.com/

Based on that data (old as it may be) Lineage was a solid #2.

Hope this helps

Torrential

Darn it, how could've I forgotten about Lineage & L2.. also to be honest, I had no idea that RuneScape was THAT popular :P

Runescape according to http://www.mmogdata.com/. Followed by Second Life.

Originally posted by Czzarre

There are several sites which track MMORPG populations out there. Google it, Last one I saw, and It hasnt been updated in a while was at http://www.mmogchart.com/

Based on that data (old as it may be) Lineage was a solid #2.

Hope this helps

Torrential

Well in that chart EQ2 has a 1.4% market share....less then EQ1.

In the US?  In the World?  Big Budget?

In the US and from a Big Budget company probably EQ2 or FFXI.

In the World and from a Big budget company probably Lineage 2.

Small budget game probably Runescape. 

Although RF Online claimed over 1 million subscribers (almost all in Korea) so that might put it in the mix. 

Originally posted by Desetes

Any estimates? Oh and I mean a subscription based MMO.

Last I saw from a NCSoft financial report:

Lineage 1 at 1.4 million

Lineage 2 at 1.1 million

Lineage II, and then RuneScape. I'm not sure about Lineage, though. I think it may be ahead of L2.

Runescape is number 2 from a population standpoint.  This page lists Habbo Hotel as #2, but that's not a traditional MMO.   The list is from June and likely hasn't changed much.

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Originally posted by Czzarre
There are several sites which track MMORPG populations out there. Google it, Last one I saw, and It hasnt been updated in a while was at http://www.mmogchart.com/
Based on that data (old as it may be) Lineage was a solid #2.
Hope this helps
Torrential

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That is fairly old, however, it's tough to see anybody overtaking Lineage and Lineage II. Might be Lineage II by now, not sure. Everquest II and Star Wars: Galaxies, fairly obviously aren't even in the running.

Chris Mattern

Lotro is second largest as far as Western developed MMOs go, with FFXI (albeit Japanese) coming in third if the rumors are to be believed. If you look at the Asian market though (Korea and China) there are about 50 or so that have over 1mil active users, though I think only Lineage 2 works on a subscription model out of all of them. They also fudge their figures, according to latest reports Dofus has 80mil users, however I'm sure they count me in that and I only played for a month at release.

Infact the only accurate figures over the last three years are from NCSoft (Lineage 1&2, CoH/CoV etc), Blizzard (WoW) and CCP (Eve). Every other company that publishes in NA and EU do not disclose subscriber figures and most of the Asian publishers lie through their teeth about numbers.

Originally posted by Desetes

Any estimates? Oh and I mean a subscription based MMO.

Originally posted by bobfish

Infact the only accurate figures over the last three years are from NCSoft (Lineage 1&2, CoH/CoV etc), Blizzard (WoW) and CCP (Eve). Every other company that publishes in NA and EU do not disclose subscriber figures and most of the Asian publishers lie through their teeth about numbers.

Originally posted by lomiller

Originally posted by bobfish

Infact the only accurate figures over the last three years are from NCSoft (Lineage 1&2, CoH/CoV etc), Blizzard (WoW) and CCP (Eve). Every other company that publishes in NA and EU do not disclose subscriber figures and most of the Asian publishers lie through their teeth about numbers.

 

Sony gave total SOE subscribers in their 2005 and 2006 annual reports. It was just under 700K both times. 

Trouble with SOE numbers is they are a combination of all their games on the Station pass...and I think 2007 saw a large fall off of subs in all their games....

Originally posted by lomiller

Originally posted by Desetes

Any estimates? Oh and I mean a subscription based MMO.

 

That would be apples to oranges since less then half of WoW’s accounts pay a subscription. You would also be excluding Lineage and Lineage II which are probability the second and third most profitable MMO’s because they are mostly pay per hour.

 

WoW still leads in subscriptions, either LotRO or FFXI (? I think it’s primarily subscription based) is probability #2 with EQ1, EQ2 and EvE coming in a little behind that.  

 

The pay per hour market in Asia is harder to judge.  WoW is very cheep in China but has fewer accounts then some free games. (People still pay internet café fees to play them) In Korea where pay/hour charges are comparable to Western subscriptions WoW is behind both Lineage and Lineage II.  

 

If you rank them by how much money they bring in my guess is it looks like this

1 WoW

2 Lineage II

3 Lineage I

4 FFXI

5 LotRO

6 EQ2

7 EQ1

8 EVE

9 CoH/CoV

10 SWG or DaoC or UO

 

Guild Wars may be up there as well, but it’s hard to say where because the money is from box sales which vary greatly depending on where they are in the release cycle.

"less then half of WoW's accounts pay a subscription"

i love this argument!

why?

becase it's so blatantly wrong, it's hillarious!

then comes the contridiction- "WoW still leads in subscriptions."

so let's do the math using your numbers, just because this is funny...

less then half of WoW... ok... so half is 4.5 million or so... so let's say 4 million that actually pay a subscription.... according to your logic (obviously smarter then Blizzard's press releases that explain their numbers...)

wait! Your contridiction "WoW still leads in subscriptions" is actually correct! Even "less then half" of WoW is still more then probably 4-10 on your list combined. (I have no idea about L2 and lineage, I hear they are quite big in the East)

I just love this stuff... sorry to be a jerk