I believe the 9/11 "conspiracy nuts" even if you all haven't found enough details on the internet to support them. You just need to look harder. America wants to increase their hegemony to the middle east.

Since the government is the ones who started this mess, it's easy to see how it could be covered up. The government is all to powerful.

Anyways, despite what they might think was a good idea to have this "war on terror", there is also many good reasons why it will backfire and hurt us more in the longrun.

Originally posted by Slickinfinit

Never in the history of aviation or skyscrapers has one fell because of an impact with a airplane except twice on 9/11! Planes have hit buildings before and they always seemed to stand, George Bush also SAID HE SEEN THE FIRST PLANE ON TV WHICH WAS A LIE! Noone seen the first plane hit right away because the film never made the news til the next day.  Those put options were not traced to any terrorists but instead the investigation stopped when leads led them to Israeli special intrest groups and known Mossad agents were seen all around 9/11 days before it happend and were givin acess to the WTC's under the cover they were art students. I believe the guys name who took out maximum insurance on borrowed bank $$ his name is Larry Silverstein and it does seem fishy and I dont think its a coincidence he took the max terror insurance right before 9/11.

Also high ranking government officials were told NOT TO FLY! At least you have to admit they knew and let it happen which makes them just as guilty and yes they needed a false flag attack like this to go into Iraq for the oil and to make their corporate intrests LOADS OF MONEY! Its all about money and oil and the terror is just a front to keep you all afraid and supportive of their mass murder.

Did you know the CIA in the early 60's wanted to down American airliner and kill its own civillians and blame the attacks on Cuba? Well you can get the declassified documents if you look and it wasnt until JFK seen them and put an immediate stop to the plans that is was stopped. Look what happend to JFK for trying to do the right thing and fix your country he was murdered by his own co-workers who knew he didnt gel with their evil plans. Since 9/11 the middle class has been squeezed and the rich corporations keep raking it in hand over fist while politicians in the white house do whatever they say, your dollar is taking a beating while your jobs are all going to India and the ones you have left are being taken by Mexican Illegals who are supported by big buisness! Wake up people and learn the real reasons they go into a country, like what do you think caused the 90% surge in opium production since were went there? Well the CIA needs to fund its "black programs" so all that drug money helps and its keeps a good portion of the populace helpless.

Since this is a gaming forum i will stick to the gamers responce to BS "screenshot or it never happened :p"  Thats about all your propagandist BS deserves.

Take the time and research foryourself and if you find an inaccuracy then please post and let me know. There is so much disinfo going around these days I wont trust stuff I read without it being able to be verified so if you dont believe what I say then go look deep into it on your own. If you get your info from Fox news or CNN then I dont have much faith you would be convinced of anything even that involves thinking for yourself.

Dirtyjoe the corporate controlled media does a good enough job at propoganda I wouldnt be able to compete as I can see they have fooled a great many into being afraid and easily manipulated.

Originally posted by Slickinfinit

Take the time and research foryourself and if you find an inaccuracy then please post and let me know. There is so much disinfo going around these days I wont trust stuff I read without it being able to be verified so if you dont believe what I say then go look deep into it on your own. If you get your info from Fox news or CNN then I dont have much faith you would be convinced of anything even that involves thinking for yourself.

I have done my research and this topic is played out.  The sad truth of this matter is that the only people that kow the truth were on those planes they are the only ones that have first hand information and they are all dead (god rest their souls).  As for CNN or FOX news or any news station none couldn't get a story anywhere near correct to save their lives.  And you are correct about disinformation i would inquire as to where you got yours, because if it is not first hand information then you can rest assured that it is false.

Originally posted by Slickinfinit

Never in the history of aviation or skyscrapers has one fell because of an impact with a airplane except twice on 9/11! Planes have hit buildings before and they always seemed to stand, George Bush also SAID HE SEEN THE FIRST PLANE ON TV WHICH WAS A LIE! Noone seen the first plane hit right away because the film never made the news til the next day.  Those put options were not traced to any terrorists but instead the investigation stopped when leads led them to Israeli special intrest groups and known Mossad agents were seen all around 9/11 days before it happend and were givin acess to the WTC's under the cover they were art students. I believe the guys name who took out maximum insurance on borrowed bank $$ his name is Larry Silverstein and it does seem fishy and I dont think its a coincidence he took the max terror insurance right before 9/11.

You make it sound like planes hit skyscrapers all the time. There isn't enough evidence to support your claim. The planes that have crashed into skyscrapers, were small planes, not a freaking passager airliner.

Also high ranking government officials were told NOT TO FLY! At least you have to admit they knew and let it happen which makes them just as guilty and yes they needed a false flag attack like this to go into Iraq for the oil and to make their corporate intrests LOADS OF MONEY! Its all about money and oil and the terror is just a front to keep you all afraid and supportive of their mass murder.

No one is denying the fact that the government knew that something was going to happen on 9/11. They however, did not know what exactly was going to happen. I'm sure that the "no fly" warning that was issued to government officials (if it was issued) is standard procedure.

Did you know the CIA in the early 60's wanted to down American airliner and kill its own civillians and blame the attacks on Cuba? Well you can get the declassified documents if you look and it wasnt until JFK seen them and put an immediate stop to the plans that is was stopped. Look what happend to JFK for trying to do the right thing and fix your country he was murdered by his own co-workers who knew he didnt gel with their evil plans.

Operation Northwoods was one of many proposed plans to get US involved in a war with Cuba. The plan was rejected, for obvious reasons, and never used. Just because some sicko came up with this plan in the 1960's does not mean that it was used during 9/11.

Since 9/11 the middle class has been squeezed and the rich corporations keep raking it in hand over fist while politicians in the white house do whatever they say, your dollar is taking a beating while your jobs are all going to India and the ones you have left are being taken by Mexican Illegals who are supported by big buisness! Wake up people and learn the real reasons they go into a country, like what do you think caused the 90% surge in opium production since were went there? Well the CIA needs to fund its "black programs" so all that drug money helps and its keeps a good portion of the populace helpless.

The jobs are going to India because labor is much cheaper there. Where you would have to pay say $10 per hour to an employee here, a person in India will be happy with $2 per hour. As for Mexicans and other illigals taking our jobs, they usually do hard manual labor or jobs that most US citizens would not want to do. How many illigals do you see working as software developers or as airline pilots? Now how many illigals do you see working in fruit stands? Exactly.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ntpTuOpnt70

from the 1996 movie The Long Kiss Goodnight starring Samuel L. Jackson and Gena Davis. This clip talks about the WTC being bombed and blaming it on the Muslims.

Anyways.. keep looking for more "conspiracy" information. The truth is out there. America has been duped someway or another. The information is scattered but there are many coincidences and peculiar facts you can find. The information just isn't organized very well and it takes a keen brain to sort through it all.

Even if there isn't enough evidence - but believe me there is plenty - there is enough evidence to realize that 9/11 or the war in the middle east is very very fishy. You cant help but think that certain high ranked government officials are hiding something. This wouldn't be the first time they have hidden information from the public.

did you just post a movie clip to prove something?

seriously?

no I posted the clip because it was weird watching this on tv the other day and the movie talked about bombing the WTC.  I would have to be an idiot to think the clip proved something and I think 1000x less of you now whoever you are.

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Originally posted by Thrakk
no I posted the clip because it was weird watching this on tv the other day and the movie talked about bombing the WTC. I would have to be an idiot to think the clip proved something and I think 1000x less of you now whoever you are.

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When it comes to 9/11 stuff... people become pretty retarded. And Considering the WTC was bombed in 1992 or something by Muslim extremists... I guess it wasn't too hard for a writer to make a show about it 4 years later :)

ok, you are justified. in the movie they plan on bombing the wtc again (I think). pretty good movie

you know what the real consipiracy is ? ...

the moives that said something ahead of time and got it right!!!

like in demolition man ..predicting the current gov of california ! i bet the rest of the movie is right too , has ot be since its already partly true, sign up now for the franchise wars  tho im sticking with taco bell.

im gonna go watch every movie ever made to try to prove every theory i ever heard.

sheesh.

Originally posted by FilipinoFury

 

Originally posted by goneglockin

Debris from a crash isn't thrown very far- though lightweight materials may easily be blown away from the crash sight and carried a ways- sure.  But we're talking about pieces of twisted metal and body parts not easily carried through the wind winding up over a mile away from a plane that supposedly slammed into the earth at a 40 degree or higher pitch.  That makes no sense.  The force required for anything weighing more than several ounces, too heavy for the wind, to just bounce away from the crash a mile or more is ridiculous.

"Wallace Miller, Somerset County coroner, tells PM no body parts were found in Indian Lake. Human remains were confined to a 70-acre area directly surrounding the crash site. Paper and tiny scraps of sheetmetal, however, did land in the lake. "Very light debris will fly into the air, because of the concussion," says former National Transportation Safety Board investigator Matthew McCormick. Indian Lake is less than 1.5 miles southeast of the impact crater — not 6 miles — easily within range of debris blasted skyward by the heat of the explosion from the crash. And the wind that day was northwesterly, at 9 to 12 mph, which means it was blowing from the northwest — toward Indian Lake."

 

        -Popular Science

But do you even know the official story behind flight 93?  They're saying the plane made a wylee coyote cartoon cutout impression of itself in the dirt where it crashed and burrowed down 40ft or more into "loose" dirt.

I mean look at this for christ's sake:

Can you seriously picture a plane taking a nose dive towards the ground and then just dissapearing into it; burrowing down 40 ft?

You know what- water is loose too... but there's thing called surface tension where if you hit at 500+ mph like an airliner- the water becomes as hard as concrete and breaks you to pieces just the same.  And this is dirt for christ's sake!  Dirt! 

Is it possible this is how it actually happened?  Anything is possible I guess- but the realm of possibility for this actually happening is just as possible that I will come home to bigfoot in my living room some day. 

www.youtube.com/watch  Just one of many videos you wont see in the mainstream news and BTW Heartless are you by chance Ann Coultier or Bill O'riley? If you find a factual error in my previous posts in this thread please feel free to point it out and if you require me to find a source of verification for a certain fact then please ask and I'll do my best but if you chose to ignore facts then there is no sense explaining anything as your mind has already been made up and imo brainwashed.

YES YOUR GOVERNMENT IS EVIL! The CIA as I have said before can be linked to drug dealing worldwide! America tested poisonous chemicals on its own people the people of Puerto Rico, gave cancer to hundreds of thousands because of their nuke testing in the tropics. They actually exposed 2 small cities to radiation to see the effects on the people! They let big buisness poison you with aspratame and they put flouride in your water which studies shown were dangerous and even most countries in Europe stopped using flouride and use sugar instead of cancer causing aspratame. JFK and his brother were murdered and George W Bush's grandpa Prescott was a banker for Hilter and helped merge the CIA with ex-Nazi's under operation paperclip.

Originally posted by goneglockin

 

Originally posted by FilipinoFury

 

Originally posted by goneglockin

Debris from a crash isn't thrown very far- though lightweight materials may easily be blown away from the crash sight and carried a ways- sure.  But we're talking about pieces of twisted metal and body parts not easily carried through the wind winding up over a mile away from a plane that supposedly slammed into the earth at a 40 degree or higher pitch.  That makes no sense.  The force required for anything weighing more than several ounces, too heavy for the wind, to just bounce away from the crash a mile or more is ridiculous.

"Wallace Miller, Somerset County coroner, tells PM no body parts were found in Indian Lake. Human remains were confined to a 70-acre area directly surrounding the crash site. Paper and tiny scraps of sheetmetal, however, did land in the lake. "Very light debris will fly into the air, because of the concussion," says former National Transportation Safety Board investigator Matthew McCormick. Indian Lake is less than 1.5 miles southeast of the impact crater — not 6 miles — easily within range of debris blasted skyward by the heat of the explosion from the crash. And the wind that day was northwesterly, at 9 to 12 mph, which means it was blowing from the northwest — toward Indian Lake."

 

        -Popular Science

There were workers/people at the marina on Indian lake who said they saw body parts- pieces of bone.

 

But do you even know the official story behind flight 93?  They're saying the plane made a wylee coyote cartoon cutout impression of itself in the dirt where it crashed and burrowed down 40ft or more into "loose" dirt.

I mean look at this for christ's sake:

Can you seriously picture a plane taking a nose dive towards the ground and then just dissapearing into it; burrowing down 40 ft?

You know what- water is loose too... but there's thing called surface tension where if you hit at 500+ mph like an airliner- the water becomes as hard as concrete and breaks you to pieces just the same.  And this is dirt for christ's sake!  Dirt! 

Is it possible this is how it actually happened?  Anything is possible I guess- but the realm of possibility for this actually happening is just as possible that I will come home to bigfoot in my living room some day. 

 

 

 

OK, then what did make the hole?
It must have been the crews of the black helocopters that follow you around...Look into the valujet crash in the everglades.  That plane was not close to the speed of the one mentioned above, yet parts of it were still burried 20-30' below the surface of the swamp.

black box was found sept 13. and was about 25 feet deep.

So that newscast had to be at the earliest on the 13th. Who knows what the impact site looked like right afterwards, but judging by other pictures, looked a lot different then that.

Originally posted by WantsumBier

OK, then what did make the hole?
It must have been the crews of the black helocopters that follow you around...Look into the valujet crash in the everglades.  That plane was not close to the speed of the one mentioned above, yet parts of it were still burried 20-30' below the surface of the swamp.

I dunno what made the hole if an airplane did not.  But it is an absolutely ridiculous scenario whether it happened or did not.  Just picture it your mind- here comes the plane... it's gonna crash- hey- where'd it go?

Oh an that valujet crash...

http://edition.cnn.com/US/9606/04/valujet.crater/

"DADE COUNTY, Florida (CNN) -- Searchers returned to the Everglades Tuesday, hoping to locate more pieces of ValuJet Flight 592 wreckage in a newly discovered crater.

The 20-by-30-foot hole discovered on Monday is in the limestone rock at the bottom of the Florida Everglades muck where the plane crashed May 11, killing 110 people.

The depth of the new crater is not known. It is within a 175-foot-long, 60-foot-wide crater created by the impact of the DC-9."

Also notice 20 x 30 ft is the dimension of the hole...  is that where you came up with 20 - 30 ft of depth?  Show me the depth.  And they're also not saying this thing burrowed in cartoon fashion; they're saying it made a big ass crater in the ground...

Originally posted by Slickinfinit

www.youtube.com/watch  Just one of many videos you wont see in the mainstream news and BTW Heartless are you by chance Ann Coultier or Bill O'riley? If you find a factual error in my previous posts in this thread please feel free to point it out and if you require me to find a source of verification for a certain fact then please ask and I'll do my best but if you chose to ignore facts then there is no sense explaining anything as your mind has already been made up and imo brainwashed.

YES YOUR GOVERNMENT IS EVIL! The CIA as I have said before can be linked to drug dealing worldwide! America tested poisonous chemicals on its own people the people of Puerto Rico, gave cancer to hundreds of thousands because of their nuke testing in the tropics. They actually exposed 2 small cities to radiation to see the effects on the people! They let big buisness poison you with aspratame and they put flouride in your water which studies shown were dangerous and even most countries in Europe stopped using flouride and use sugar instead of cancer causing aspratame. JFK and his brother were murdered and George W Bush's grandpa Prescott was a banker for Hilter and helped merge the CIA with ex-Nazi's under operation paperclip.

You want to be heard? Provide real evidence, not attept to distrupt a cable TV show. I've done a lot of research on the tragedy of 9/11 the difference is that I went out of my way to find real scientific explanations, not just pulled arguments out of my rear orifice, like most "truthers" seem to be doing.

I will say this, it would be virtually impossible to keep a lid on a cover-up of this magnitude. You're not talking about testing radiation exposure, the full effects of which were not known at the time, you're talking about willingly taking part in the murder of a few thousand American lives. Besides which, hundreds, if not thousands, of people had to be involved, where are the leaks? Why aren't any of those people coming out?

By the way, all governments are evil, that is nothing new. You'd be naive believing otherwise.

Uhg i cant stand conspiracy nutcases.

Conspiracy nutcases will tell you that you are foolish for beleiving the media or the government... but they will be the first to use evidence posted on the internet as facts. You can find 100's of conspiracy websites on the net about this... but if you ACTUALLY look hard enough u can find sites that will discount every point they try to make. The problem is conspiracy nutcases only look for the views that fit the story they would like to beleive.

O btw I too am canadian, and most intelligent canadians will agree that the OP is a nutcase.

Originally posted by goneglockin

Well im downloading the video just to see if it has anything different to say.  I doubt it. 

The only thing "the government, they, them, the spooks" might be guilty of is shooting down that plane over pennsylvania to prevent it from becoming another weapon... and only finding out later that passengers regained control of the plane.  Which is a good reason to lie instead of saying "our bad."

The wreckage was strewn over 7 miles which suggests the plane was destroyed at high altitude.  There are witness reports that place US fighter planes in the area contrary to the official story.  But even then there's the other two remote possibilities that a bomb made it onboard or that the flight of the plane during the struggle became so erratic it broke apart in the air and then somehow ignited.

There aren't ever going to be any definitive answers to any of this stuff.  We're in deeper shit now anyway.

 

An hour and a half later...

Just finished watching it and there isn't anyhting new that I haven't seen in the other videos really.  It's like- unless there's real evidence that shows one of the bushies, or somone in the intellience community, or some arm of the military had direct involvement- or undisputable fore-knowledge in the form of a taped confession... i'm not really interested. 

No I don't believe the official story.  Yes I believe explosives were involved.  But I don't believe anyone can make the claim that they know who was really responsible for all of it.  I think that's what's hurt these people, the ones making this effort against the official story, the most.

Look at the JFK assassination.  That was 45 years ago.  Over 85% of Americans reject the official findings.  Does anyone know who was responsible now even though public opinion has dramatically shifte after all those years?  Absolutely not.  That's just the way shit goes- and that's the way this is gonna go down in history just as well.

Physics ftw. The larger the plane to larger the chance of break up during a pull especially an erratic pull...

Really combined with fuel , it's easy to see how "explosive" that would get.

NATURALLY there would be fighter planes escorting... If there weren't our government would be miserable. I mean ....look at the attacks...If you didn't have a fighter plane next to you while remaining unresponsive to any air traffic?

Christ.

These little theories annoy the hell out of me, because they are all backed on hack science and spread around on internet as truths...thusly dumbasses take it for truth and it becomes wide spread dumbassery.

Look...A group of folks got pissed at the west, they hit the mark with the WORLD TRADE CENTER. WORLD.

Need I say that again ... I will only bigger.

THE WORLD

Yep the world.

It was never an attack on America, it was an attack against the west. Many internationals lost their lives too.

So this whole thing concerns we the west. Because make no mistake the west will always be at war with the east. The battle grounds change but there will always be conflict.