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  Sunder

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10/30/07 10:59:44 AM#21

Heh, now is time for phase 2!  Everyone has built up their expectations for a KotOR game, now whether it is or not, everyone WANTS this, or that, or whatever... so now when everyone does not get exactly what they want, even IF it is the game build they wanted, so many are still going to cry and be disappointed.  I wonder how long before people liken it to SWG.  "OMFG!  They do not listen to their players because what *I* wanted is not in" heh... I can hear it already.  I think I need to go buy more popcorn.

  gamerman98

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10/30/07 11:10:54 AM#22

if they cant even tell us that its a "MMO" or even a "Game" then i highly doubt that it will be what everyone is hoping for....oh well good try anyway lol

And VERY good point Sunder...ill go get my popcorn as well :D

  thepatriot

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10/30/07 11:12:48 AM#23
Originally posted by gamerman98

if they cant even tell us that its a "MMO" or even a "Game" then i highly doubt that it will be what everyone is hoping for....oh well good try anyway lol

And VERY good point Sunder...ill go get my popcorn as well :D


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  Yimmarans

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10/30/07 11:13:30 AM#24

What ever...

  Shoju

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10/30/07 11:16:35 AM#25

Originally posted by ArcAngel3

If it's a StarWars MMO that doesn't delete professions, years of quest progress, change core game mechanics unexpectedly, or sell an expansion for the game system they're planning to delete within a few weeks, that'll be priceless ^_^.


LA  is just as culpable as SOE over the CU-NGE, as with a lot of IP partnerships, the owner of the IP has the final say of what goes into the game.  So what that boils down to is LA giving the green light to, or even orchestrating, the whole CU-NGE debacle.  There is nothing stopping them from doing it again with any new Star Wars mmorpg and turning Bioware into the next whipping boy of angry Star Wars gamers. 

Here to hoping that Bioware have a little more 'executive' control of what goes into the game.

  winter

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10/30/07 11:21:15 AM#26
Originally posted by Sunder

Heh, now is time for phase 2!  Everyone has built up their expectations for a KotOR game, now whether it is or not, everyone WANTS this, or that, or whatever... so now when everyone does not get exactly what they want, even IF it is the game build they wanted, so many are still going to cry and be disappointed.  I wonder how long before people liken it to SWG.  "OMFG!  They do not listen to their players because what *I* wanted is not in" heh... I can hear it already.  I think I need to go buy more popcorn.


  Gotta agree. Theres probably close to a hundred reasons why it won't / can't be a Kotor MMORPG but people are getting all hyped anyway. One thing for sure someday when Bioware finally anounces what it is there IS gonna be alot of disappointed people

  tillamook

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10/30/07 11:22:19 AM#27
Originally posted by Dracus
Originally posted by Cabe2323

I think it would be hilarious if it was some type of interactive program for the new TV series of Star Wars that Lucas is supposed to be making. 

I think that is a strong possibility actually.


Yeah, I made a thread about that a year ago, didn't go over well at all. lol


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  Ozmodan

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10/30/07 11:22:36 AM#28

Pretty much eliminates the Kotor theme from their MMO if they are just now reaching an agreement,  They have been working on this MMO for over a year.  You generally get agreement first then make the game.

So I don't think the MMO is a Kotor derivative and the subject wrong on this thread.

  Hexxeity

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10/30/07 11:26:30 AM#29

What is boils down to is that people like Star Wars because some characters are special, as in one-in-a-billion special.  But in an MMO, no one can be THAT special or it wrecks the game.  If LA didn't learn this lesson the first time around, the new game is going to be just as  frustrating for everyone as SWG was.

If they did learn, I have to wonder why they would try again.

  MaeEye

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10/30/07 11:40:14 AM#30

another SW mmo. . .hmmm, i doubt it. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

lol gotcha.

 

If they do make it, it will be the first sw MMO I've played, and I'm excited.

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  teddyboy420

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10/30/07 11:47:44 AM#31

 

Originally posted by Ozmodan

Pretty much eliminates the Kotor theme from their MMO if they are just now reaching an agreement,  They have been working on this MMO for over a year.  You generally get agreement first then make the game.

So I don't think the MMO is a Kotor derivative and the subject wrong on this thread.

Just b/c they are announcing the agreement now doesn't mean that they just reached the agreement recently.

 

This deal could have been in place since the begining they just didn't announce it right away but with all this talk recently about insiders "leaking" information that Bioware Austin is making a KoTOR MMO they probably felt pressure to announce something before everyone stole their thunder.

That doesn't mean that this IS indeed a KoTOR MMO, but it also doesn't mean that it's not. We'll all just have to wait and see. But this announcement does indeed add some more weight to the possibility of it being a KoTOR MMO

  Alienovrlord

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10/30/07 12:21:55 PM#32

Regradless of what it actually turns out ot be it's still amusing to watch the rumors spreading through community.

Though I'll admit if Bioware produced a KoToR MMORPG I would certainly be inclined to try it rather than avoiding it like a moldly sock.  They'd be much more likely to focus gameplay on what made Star Wars great not mechanics on making T-shirts, opening shops or singing. 

  tillamook

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10/30/07 1:17:01 PM#33
Originally posted by Alienovrlord

Regradless of what it actually turns out ot be it's still amusing to watch the rumors spreading through community.

Though I'll admit if Bioware produced a KoToR MMORPG I would certainly be inclined to try it rather than avoiding it like a moldly sock.  They'd be much more likely to focus gameplay on what made Star Wars great not mechanics on making T-shirts, opening shops or singing. 

 

Those are the things that some people loved about SWG, for some it was why they never played the game. If BioWare could incorporate the best of both these worlds (combat and non combat related activities of equal importance) in a robust way, something for everyone, they would have a hit. Because sometimes doing what you want is fun too, even if it involves something others consider boring. In WoW and most other MMOs if I'm not doing Raids, or small quests, I'm logging out since there is no community type projects to get involved in outside combat.  

 

Crafting, entertaining, harvesting, world building ect are all what are called mini games, but why should they become less and less important to the game world just because some people would rather do combat the majority of the time? I never thought I would enjoy crafting, till I tried it. There were other important roles within the SW universe other than being the leet hero, and that was what SWG tried to focus on, but failed due to time, money, greed ect. The important aspects of the game, like the iconic content was left unfinished.  When they did try to finish it no one cared because, well, few of those types of players existed in the game.

 

I hope BW can find balance, it's most important to the types of people who will be playing a MMO based on SW.


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  thepatriot

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10/30/07 1:28:07 PM#34
Originally posted by Ozmodan

Pretty much eliminates the Kotor theme from their MMO if they are just now reaching an agreement,  They have been working on this MMO for over a year.  You generally get agreement first then make the game.

So I don't think the MMO is a Kotor derivative and the subject wrong on this thread.


They are announcing the agreement now, that doesn't mean they didn't make the aggreement a long time ago, in a galaxy far far away.

  ArcAngel3

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Posts: 2939

Momento Mori

10/30/07 1:29:48 PM#35
Originally posted by Shoju

 

Originally posted by ArcAngel3

If it's a StarWars MMO that doesn't delete professions, years of quest progress, change core game mechanics unexpectedly, or sell an expansion for the game system they're planning to delete within a few weeks, that'll be priceless ^_^.


LA  is just as culpable as SOE over the CU-NGE, as with a lot of IP partnerships, the owner of the IP has the final say of what goes into the game.  So what that boils down to is LA giving the green light to, or even orchestrating, the whole CU-NGE debacle.  There is nothing stopping them from doing it again with any new Star Wars mmorpg and turning Bioware into the next whipping boy of angry Star Wars gamers. 

 

Here to hoping that Bioware have a little more 'executive' control of what goes into the game.


"So, I wanted to clarify that we did, here at SOE conceive and develop the NGE. We did so with the best of intentions, to try and make a better game. No blame or buck is being passed. =)

We can, and I am sure many of us will, debate for years on end whether this was a good idea. Personally, I believe the concept of the NGE was sound. Some smart guys had some good ideas to make the game better, Jeff being one of them, and they went for it. A bold move and honestly, I am happy to be a part of a company that is not afraid to try something different. Where did we go wrong? Delivery, we failed in our timing and communication. That is where we let you down most, SWG faithful, and for that I truly apologize.

Brenlo Bixiebopper

Director, Global Community Relations - SOE"

Whatever the joint venture turns out to be, here's hoping that Bioware wouldn't "conceive and develop" anything like the NGE, and that if they do LucasArts will say, "Red Light" this time.

  BadSpock

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Logic be damned!

10/30/07 1:35:52 PM#36

for those who were saying that we don't even know if it's going to be a game...

"SAN FRANCISCO, CA and EDMONTON, CANADA — October 30, 2007 — LucasArts and BioWare Corp. today announced that they have entered into an agreement to create an interactive entertainment product. The product, details of which will be unveiled at a later date, will be developed and published by BioWare and LucasArts, and will push the boundaries of the gaming market by utilizing the strengths of both companies to deliver an innovative, high-quality experience.

“LucasArts has a deep commitment to developing compelling stories and characters for the unique medium of interactive entertainment, and we have been searching for a developer that shares this value. We found this in BioWare,” said Jim Ward, president of LucasArts. “Through our previous collaborations, we know that BioWare has an impressive ability to blend gripping stories with technological advancements, and we believe that our upcoming product will deliver an experience that will span the traditional boundaries of video game entertainment.”

“BioWare’s mission is to deliver the best story and character-driven games in the world, delivering powerful emotional experiences to our fans.” said Ray Muzyka, chief executive officer, BioWare Corp. Added Greg Zeschuk, president of BioWare Corp., “The collaboration with LucasArts allows us to combine our passion for creating high quality and innovative experiences with those of a company dedicated to bringing only the finest games to market."

 

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  tillamook

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10/30/07 3:00:49 PM#37

Ok check this out folks..Go to Bioware.com, move cursor over “Bioware games” look at the very bottom of the list and you will see “New Next Gen Game” under MMO, and Sonic DS. Is this a completely new game? Not “the mmo” maybe it is KOTOR III?


SWG pre-cu vet, elder Jedi, elder BH -Bloodfin

  User Deleted
10/30/07 4:39:32 PM#38

OMG, OMG

 

Speculate, Speculate

 

Aw HECK...

It has GOTTA be Kotor...and who cares if it is even an MMO...

 

KOTOR = LUV!!!!!         

 

  thepatriot

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10/30/07 4:48:25 PM#39
Originally posted by tillamook

Ok check this out folks..Go to Bioware.com, move cursor over “Bioware games” look at the very bottom of the list and you will see “New Next Gen Game” under MMO, and Sonic DS. Is this a completely new game? Not “the mmo” maybe it is KOTOR III?

That's been there a long time.  Could be KOTOR 3, or better yet, maybe they're doing both KOTOR 3 and KOTOR Online.

  Koolaider

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10/30/07 4:59:43 PM#40
Originally posted by thepatriot
Originally posted by tillamook

Ok check this out folks..Go to Bioware.com, move cursor over “Bioware games” look at the very bottom of the list and you will see “New Next Gen Game” under MMO, and Sonic DS. Is this a completely new game? Not “the mmo” maybe it is KOTOR III?

That's been there a long time.  Could be KOTOR 3, or better yet, maybe they're doing both KOTOR 3 and KOTOR Online.


Ughhhhh, that would be too much to ask for. I would probably drown in my geekdom.

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