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10/30/07 3:43:11 AM#41
Please let the license be axed, please let the license be axed, please let the license be axed..... Quoting people doesn't make you clever, in fact, it makes you all the more stupid for not bothering to read the quotes you post in the first place. |
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Originally posted by 0k21
It runs out June 23, 2009...it will limp on till then. |
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Talgen
 Old School
Joined: 9/04/02
This is just my opinion and should be viewed as just that, an opinion |
10/30/07 4:24:22 AM#43
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Linna
Apprentice Member
Joined: 5/01/05
Those who do not know their history, are bound to step in it. |
10/30/07 5:12:22 AM#44
Originally posted by Talgen That is AGAIN based on ONE AND THE SAME source: Primotech. Check the other articles. Basically the ORIGINAL rumor mongers say they have an unnamed source in Bioware who CLAIMS the game Bioware is developing, is a KOTOR MMO. THERE HAVE BEEN NO OTHER, INDEPENDENT SOURCES. So for crying out loud, don't get your hopes up. Linna |
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10/30/07 5:26:34 AM#45
what's worse, it's not even an unnamed source in Bioware, it's an unnamed source close to Bioware.
So basically "an uncle of a guy who works at Bioware told me..." |
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10/30/07 6:45:51 AM#46
Wall of Text has hit for 235000 damage. It's likely that LucasArts grants a temporary exclusive license for the companies they work with, so that not two identical games are released (e.g. two Star Wars RPGs at the same time). Yet, exclusive licenses will be temporary and after a given period of time translated to simple non-exclusive licenses. Therefore, John Smedley and Jake Neri can talk about long-time commitment with Star Wars Galaxies for another ten years or more but that doesn't prevent LucasArts (with another company) from producing a second Star Wars MMO title. Star Wars Galaxies is over four years old. It was just around five years between the two EverQuest titles. In case LucasArts wants to stay in the MMO market, they probably produce another MMO and in fact, they were approached several times (but declined officially). Star Wars Galaxies was always discussed controversially and was never as successful as it should have been, yet was still successful from the business perspective. Finally, both companies cooperatively produce and work on Star Wars Galaxies. Any change and addition needs approvement from LucasArts. It's entirely wrong to blame SOE alone. So when LucasArts decides to work with someone else (like Bioware), it's probably not based on incompetence on SOEs part, but probably to exploit the highly successful KOTOR brand (which is partially Biowares franchise!). I think it is likely due to a number of reasons:
A final sentence on topic. The lack of Expansions and the relatively long interval between chapters as well as the known and visible lack of new art and content are no good omens, not the fact that it is available as Direct Download only. Star Wars Galaxies improves somehow (just into another direction than many of us would like to see). |
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10/30/07 7:03:03 AM#47
First off on SWG no longer having any Cd printings... Get used to this not just with SWG but with many other PC games as well... The downloads are just cheaper to do rather then come out with a new box, and believe it or not getting a game in stores is NOT that cheap. Granted it's not the days of 3.5 Floppy Disks, but still there is a good amount of cost going into printing the disks, makings boxes and the like. Dare I say in the next few years your no longer going to see PC Games as they are now in the stores. Rather you will see Collectors Editions, with the plan old copy of the game on Steam or D2D.
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Originally posted by MetaSeven
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10/30/07 9:12:04 AM#49
ummmm wow... don't take this personally, but you couldn't be more wrong. While I do understand that download is cheaper than box retail(I agree with you there) from a marketting point of view, this is retarded and if WoW decided to do this with their products, somebody's head would be rolling. It doesn't make perfect business sense because... while digital downloading is cheaper than putting retail boxes on the shelves. The game gets NO exposure to the public! If the game doesn't get exposure to the public, nobody will want to buy it, nobody buys it, no word of mouth spreads, no subscriptions come in, you get the point. If you honestly think that the game would get good, or even better subscriptions JUST with digital downloading, then you are being deluded. In fact I had to think really REALLY hard before even making a decision to buy ToOW on digital download since I don't trust doing a lot of purchasing online. Digital Download also kills another one of retail box Marketting's advantages.... that is Impulse Buying. When you're at a Best Buy and you see it you end up asking yourself "hmm maybe I should get it because there's only 2 boxes left! If I don't get it now, then it might be sold out when I come back." With digital downloading and free trials (as opposed to WoW and Guild Wars $1.99 trial disks) Customers will have ALL the time in the world to think about whether they want to buy the game or not. Which is great for the customer, but not great for the company. Once customers read all about the horrors of the NGE they won't want to buy it. Which explains SOE's Forum strict policing, to make sure customers don't get to hear the story behind the NGE. Also the big problem with this is that, unlike the customer, SOE doesn't have ALL the time in the world to wait for customers to make up their mind whether they want to do digital download. SOE's got bills to pay, workers to pay etc. So while Digital download might sound good IN THEORY, it's ridiculous from a business stand point and frankly, the only reason I see SOE doing this instead of trying to make more aggressive advertisement (retail box, tv ads, tv interviews as opposed to cheap controlled website interviews) is a sign that SOE is at their last rope (with SWG) and they know pretty much that it won't be long before SWG dies out. Believe all you want that digital downloading is revolutionary and great. But I happen to know that my business teachers (and GOOD business men trying to sell their product to the public) see the internet not only as the cheapest method for advertising, but also its down towards the BOTTOM of methods to use. Cheap? yes (depending on your web host) efficient??? questionable. Again, because of the product not getting any actual exposure to the public it's trying to reach. __________________________________________________________________________________________ |
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10/30/07 9:22:58 AM#50
Yeah 25 cents a CD and 50 cents a case. :P
SWTOR: sub ended, no thanks to Georg Zoeller! |
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10/30/07 12:13:09 PM#51
Ok, they didn't mention KOTOR … well …
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10/30/07 2:12:33 PM#52
Originally posted by MetaSeven
Wait until BW releases MASS EFFECT. Then we will see an official KOTOR trailer! |
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10/30/07 5:00:51 PM#53
SWG is still being made: It is a new version with the Royal Ship ITV |
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10/31/07 5:39:26 AM#54
Originally posted by Exar_Kun
http://store.lucasarts.com/catalog/product.xml?product_id=405665;category_id=481;pcid1=;pcid2= Either they changed their minds, or the person who sent you that email and cancelled your order did not know what they were taling about or the stores website has not been updated to reflect that information. Unless the DVD version is being updated to include the Royal Pickup ITV I would go for the download version anyway |
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Originally posted by BlitzBlade
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11/02/07 7:12:59 PM#56
Originally posted by metalazo
The biggest thing IOM is not the fact they are not making SWG, but the fact they are no longer funding expansions. |
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11/02/07 10:03:56 PM#57
Well, when you think about it Blitz, SOE cornered itself when it made SWG the way it was. It restricted itself A LOT by putting SWG strictly between episodes 4 and 5, I can't see them coming out with any further expansions UNLESS they unanymously agree to slowly start pushing the time line forward... kinda in the same fashion that LOTRO is trying to do. In other words the game actually progresses and doesn't stay static and doesn't stay in say "January 1st 2007" as an example. When you think about it, a lot of MMO's are static in this respect. In Age of Conan for example, they set the timeline after the conan movies and conan is king and forever in this MMO conan will be king, he won't age, he won't die ever. Now, because this takes place AFTER the movies and nothing much is written after the movies, this makes it easier for them to come up with expansions. With SWG unfortunately, SOE was so stupid enough to put the timeline in between movies, which means they can't do a darn thing unless it fits in with the events of that era. Now KOTOR on the other hand is different, KOTOR has so much history and so many events, and because it's so far removed from the movies it allows for a lot of creative events to happen and for a lot of expansions to be made. __________________________________________________________________________________________ |
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11/03/07 4:46:36 AM#58
You underestimate just how much influence LA had on the development of SWG, pre and post release. SOE may have been crap in the way they handled things and implemented the ideas, but LA was the driving force behind most of the major changes and decisions in their pursuit of conquering the genre and making as much money as possible off of the license. |
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Linna
Apprentice Member
Joined: 5/01/05
Those who do not know their history, are bound to step in it. |
11/03/07 4:48:10 AM#59
Originally posted by Bane82 That hasn't really stopped them before. Adding in Mustafar and Kashyyyk was just a blatantly attempt to link into movies 1-3. I never really COULD see relevance to the imperial/rebel war we were supposed to be fighting. They CLAIMED they were 'slowly moving the story forward', but all I see was regressing. Wish they would have added Hoth in stead.... Linna |
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11/03/07 4:53:46 PM#60
to metalazo: this capital ships stuff was shown at the funfest 2004 or 2005. They aren'tt doing anything new, just re-packaging old. to MetaSeven: good points indeed. Although as I see it they're not improving anything, but just simulating some activity to keep at least current subscription base paying. Doubtfully they can come up and say: "Thats it, folks, we're pulling the plug next year". They will be simulating some activity and re-packaging old features selling them as new - very very cheap way to keep customers paying. At some point - will it be SWG2, KOTOR or whaever onlinestarwarsy - current swg will be down, cause probably the best franshise in the entertainment business was treated like a dock hooker. What I don't understand is if there is any confirned knowledge about SOE's license being exclusive or not. I tried googling only fan speculations founded.
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