It's amusing that someone starts a thread about SOE's outrageous spin, and suddenly we get a new comer with no previous posts defending SOE, SWG, and following the party line to the letter...

Originally posted by HudsonD

It's amusing that someone starts a thread about SOE's outrageous spin, and suddenly we get a new comer with no previous posts defending SOE, SWG, and following the party line to the letter...

A new organization, the anti-cabal!

: )

Originally posted by tman5

Originally posted by superniceguy

 

A few days at a time makes an accurate assessment, not  This may be true.   21 days, with RL interruptions, only allows maybe 10 actual playing days.    But you can't really expect us to try the new game on our own dime, can you?  Ask SOE to offer vets 6 mos free trial. 

Playerbase is tiny because people have listened to people like you, on opinions of old rather than opinions of now, and not bother with it.   You may be right.  Does that mean the total negative toward the the game far exceeds the total positive?  Maybe those liking the game need to get busy selling?

The only thing wrong with the game right now is the lack of players.  There are other things wrong, but I'll agree lack of players is the big one.  If SOE addressed that, it would go a long way to solving the problems.  Server merges may not be possible, but server consolidation with character transfers are.  Soe should identify 3-4 servers to keep, mothball the rest, and offer free transfers to those servers.

If more players returned to the game, then they could see its greatness, post positive reviews and will be back on top.    Isn't this a chicken/ egg thing?  Shouldn't the game have good reviews first to attract players, not have players return to give good reveiws?

Anybodys opinion of SWG means squat if they no longer play the game.  DISAGREE.  It is incumbant on SOE- after all they pulled -to right things with potential customers.  Not the other way around.

On the SWG forums, I see more posts of players returning than leaving.  I think this is due to the populations stabilizing, so not as many are leaving anymore.  And likely returning players do stay or don't bother to post a goodbye when they leave, as in old times.  Either way, the low populations of most the servers are quite observable and cannot be masked by pointing to forum posts either way.

SWG sucked but not now, and will suck even less when Chapter 7 (and 8) are implemented.  I truly hope so, for you and others enjoying the game and for those of us still holding a slight hope the game might improve enough to return.

 

Also, if taken at face value, I would have to resubscribe to make my opinion "count."  Well that would serve SOE's agenda and cure the population too I suppose if everyone that has a negative opinion of the game felt compelled to resubscribe.  Expecting people to resubscribe to something they have a negative opinion of defies all logic though.  They simply do not need to re-sub to have a valid point of view.  Many have completed numerous vet trials, many played for months/years after the introduction of the NGE waiting for things to get better, and many have a few friends they interact with that still play.

Originally posted by Suvroc

 

Originally posted by HudsonD

It's amusing that someone starts a thread about SOE's outrageous spin, and suddenly we get a new comer with no previous posts defending SOE, SWG, and following the party line to the letter...

Ah ha!

 

A new organization, the anti-cabal!

: )

Lol SOE disavows all knowledge of this organization's existence...(this P.R. manual will self-destruct in 10 seconds)

Seriously though, to cut through all the complex and controversial issues raised in this thread (some pretty good dialogue though if you ask me) let me restate my original thoughts more concisely:

It's not good business to promise something at summits to players face-to-face, then not deliver.  It's also bad customer relations to then shut people down when they ask about the promise you made.  In my mind, SOE ought not to do that.

Ahh why are you not replying anymore mr nice guy? Too much truth for one to handle? :P John not paying you enough? I was having fun easily disproving anything said with hard cold fact.

It amazes me the few that still support this game. Even when the rug was completely pulled out from under them and then another was thrown on top of them while they were laying on their backs.

Oh! and misterniceguy! I have some more hard fact for you! Coming from your own forums!

forums.station.sony.com/swg/posts/list.m

This was stated in another thread... lots of people wanting pre-cu back.. go figure! The only ones defending are the people with low post counts... another shocker!

I think.. that i have made my point.

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Originally posted by superniceguy
A few days at a time makes an accurate assessment, not

Playerbase is tiny because people have listened to people like you, on opinions of old rather than opinions of now, and not bother with it. The only thing wrong with the game right now is the lack of players. If more players returned to the game, then they could see its greatness, post positive reviews and will be back on top.
Anybodys opinion of SWG means squat if they no longer play the game.
On the SWG forums, I see more posts of players returning than leaving.
SWG sucked but not now, and will suck even less when Chapter 7 (and 8) are implemented.

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Superniceguy, are you actually saying this with a straight face? I among many other people I know hasn't returned to the game, and when I logged on during the vet reactivation trial I got, 0 out of 70+ members on my friends list were on. Most of my friends from the old days of SWG are playing WoW, CoH, Eve, etc. and a few has checked out the vet trial as well.

I left the game without saying bye, I'm sure most people don't even bother saying bye to people on the forums that they don't know. Only ones you see saying those are the very well known ones to the server community, or just thinks they're popular (I saw a couple replies like "who are you?"). Sure there are returning people from time to time but from my watching the SOE forums (thank god I can at least read the forums even though I can't post), there's not enough to counter the number leaving.

And It's going to be pretty hard for SOE to pull back up the ladder after what they've done, lots of other companies knows well about these mistakes and magazine/website gaming reviews shot down the NGE with low rated reviews, it's going to take some little miracle to say something possitive about the game ("ooh you get a meditate ability after you collect a bunch of holocrons" in chap 7, like that didn't exist before), right now SOE is "improving" the NGE by bringing back the pre CU content- I think what would please customers more is to bring the actual system back instead of making a cracked mirror image of it.

As I said in another thread, this game would have suffered a much greater loss if the title didn't have "Star Wars" in it.

Originally posted by sookster54

As I said in another thread, this game would have suffered a much greater loss if the title didn't have "Star Wars" in it.

If this game's title did not have "Star Wars" in it, it would have been pulled off the market three months after the NGE hit.

The IP is the ONLY thing it has going for it.

Originally posted by ArcAngel3

Seriously though, to cut through all the complex and controversial issues raised in this thread (some pretty good dialogue though if you ask me) let me restate my original thoughts more concisely:

It's not good business to promise something at summits to players face-to-face, then not deliver.  It's also bad customer relations to then shut people down when they ask about the promise you made.  In my mind, SOE ought not to do that.

Get this through your thick head: WE PLAYERS DO NOT WANT A SERVER MERGE

A server merge will mean lost items, lost cities and the past 4.5 years building/placing our homes right where we have them. If we have to transfer off of the server  that we are on, it will mean all those years of work GONE. A server merge will be just like another NGE.

A server merge will mean that the servers will be even less populated than they are now

I am quite happy to start a new character on another server, and play there, but if FORCED to move and lose my items, houses, identity and all 4.5 years of work then there is no reason for me to log into game any more.

Too many people feel like this, so the server merge plan from SOE was dropped.

Originally posted by ArcheusCross

Oh! and misterniceguy! I have some more hard fact for you! Coming from your own forums!

forums.station.sony.com/swg/posts/list.m

This was stated in another thread... lots of people wanting pre-cu back.. go figure! The only ones defending are the people with low post counts... another shocker!

I think.. that i have made my point.

No kidding! Fact is it is NOT coming back. We all want it back but it is NOT. Get over it.

Point not needed to be made

I have not been posting as been too busy playing SWG

As for the last posts you have all made since my last post a long time ago, I see no hard facts, just statements which are more or less true, but twisted to suit your feelings of hate against the game, still brewing inside yourrselves for the last 2 years.  

I would recommend you all leaving this forum, forgetting about SWG, and just play the game of your choice. Hanging on to these feeling towards SWG and by the looks of things will never return to SWG, you are wasting your time, and is not healthy.

Originally posted by superniceguy

 

Originally posted by AveBethos

 

 

Dude I have played SEVERAL times since Nov. 2005, ableit for a few days at a time because the game is more boring than watching the grass in my lawn grow.  Economy is SHOT.  Playerbase is TINY.  Very little progress in 2 years...  You know the story.

The masses don't lie, SWG sucks.

A few days at a time makes an accurate assessment, not

 

Playerbase is tiny because people have listened to people like you, on opinions of old rather than opinions of now, and not bother with it. The only thing wrong with the game right now is the lack of players. If more players returned to the game, then they could see its greatness, post positive reviews and will be back on top. 

Anybodys opinion of SWG means squat if they no longer play the game.

On the SWG forums, I see more posts of players returning than leaving.

SWG sucked but not now, and will suck even less when Chapter 7 (and 8) are implemented.

        ... have been around for several thousand years, the psychiatrist and philosopher Karl Jaspers was the first to define the three main criteria for a belief to be considered delusional ...

Originally posted by superniceguy

 

Originally posted by ArcAngel3

Seriously though, to cut through all the complex and controversial issues raised in this thread (some pretty good dialogue though if you ask me) let me restate my original thoughts more concisely:

It's not good business to promise something at summits to players face-to-face, then not deliver.  It's also bad customer relations to then shut people down when they ask about the promise you made.  In my mind, SOE ought not to do that.

The server merge thing was not promised, he was going to look into the issue. When he did, the devs advised against the idea, and the majority of the playerbase do not want this.

 

Get this through your thick head: WE PLAYERS DO NOT WANT A SERVER MERGE

A server merge will mean lost items, lost cities and the past 4.5 years building/placing our homes right where we have them. If we have to transfer off of the server  that we are on, it will mean all those years of work GONE. A server merge will be just like another NGE.

A server merge will mean that the servers will be even less populated than they are now

I am quite happy to start a new character on another server, and play there, but if FORCED to move and lose my items, houses, identity and all 4.5 years of work then there is no reason for me to log into game any more.

Too many people feel like this, so the server merge plan from SOE was dropped.

The only way you can establish credibility to your claim is that you are Mr Smed in anon.  To the rest of the player community, Smed has made a promise.  If Smed or you did not mean what they read, sorry poor PR, very poor PR.  If Bush declared war on Russia when drunk, don't blame the Russians for shooting missiles at his ass.

Once again Smed or Mr Try-to-interpret-Smed, no.  Its easy to implement a merge that can tackle the difficulties you talked about.  IF SoE cannot do it, hand over the code to a more able provider.  Tons of game providers have done that.  If its that hard to implement a merge, allow free character transfer.  That way, those who want to move can move, those who want to stay can monopolize the ghost town.  Win -win.

Too many people feel that merging is bad?  Hmm you need to learn to read and count.  Or both.

Originally posted by superniceguy

Originally posted by ArcheusCross

Oh! and misterniceguy! I have some more hard fact for you! Coming from your own forums!

forums.station.sony.com/swg/posts/list.m

This was stated in another thread... lots of people wanting pre-cu back.. go figure! The only ones defending are the people with low post counts... another shocker!

I think.. that i have made my point.

No kidding! Fact is it is NOT coming back. We all want it back but it is NOT. Get over it.

Point not needed to be made

I have not been posting as been too busy playing SWG

As for the last posts you have all made since my last post a long time ago, I see no hard facts, just statements which are more or less true, but twisted to suit your feelings of hate against the game, still brewing inside yourrselves for the last 2 years.  

I would recommend you all leaving this forum, forgetting about SWG, and just play the game of your choice. Hanging on to these feeling towards SWG and by the looks of things will never return to SWG, you are wasting your time, and is not healthy.

No thanks. We are not the real minority..... you are.

No offense. :P

Originally posted by Orthedos

Originally posted by superniceguy

 

Originally posted by ArcAngel3

Seriously though, to cut through all the complex and controversial issues raised in this thread (some pretty good dialogue though if you ask me) let me restate my original thoughts more concisely:

It's not good business to promise something at summits to players face-to-face, then not deliver.  It's also bad customer relations to then shut people down when they ask about the promise you made.  In my mind, SOE ought not to do that.

The server merge thing was not promised, he was going to look into the issue. When he did, the devs advised against the idea, and the majority of the playerbase do not want this.

 

Get this through your thick head: WE PLAYERS DO NOT WANT A SERVER MERGE

A server merge will mean lost items, lost cities and the past 4.5 years building/placing our homes right where we have them. If we have to transfer off of the server  that we are on, it will mean all those years of work GONE. A server merge will be just like another NGE.

A server merge will mean that the servers will be even less populated than they are now

I am quite happy to start a new character on another server, and play there, but if FORCED to move and lose my items, houses, identity and all 4.5 years of work then there is no reason for me to log into game any more.

Too many people feel like this, so the server merge plan from SOE was dropped.

The only way you can establish credibility to your claim is that you are Mr Smed in anon.  To the rest of the player community, Smed has made a promise.  If Smed or you did not mean what they read, sorry poor PR, very poor PR.  If Bush declared war on Russia when drunk, don't blame the Russians for shooting missiles at his ass.

Once again Smed or Mr Try-to-interpret-Smed, no.  Its easy to implement a merge that can tackle the difficulties you talked about.  IF SoE cannot do it, hand over the code to a more able provider.  Tons of game providers have done that.  If its that hard to implement a merge, allow free character transfer.  That way, those who want to move can move, those who want to stay can monopolize the ghost town.  Win -win.

Too many people feel that merging is bad?  Hmm you need to learn to read and count.  Or both.

All those characters created using the 2nd slot unlocked from Jedi will get deleted in a transfer. The fact that Elder Jedi can currently have 3 slots is a bug and was not intended to happen. If anyone deletes that 2nd slot they can not get it back, because the coding of the NGE is not compatible with the pre-NGE. All that effort we have put into that character will get lost.

Server merges with SWG is not possible. It's either the updates that SOE do to attract players to come back, or SOE shuts the game down.

Originally posted by superniceguy

Originally posted by Orthedos

Originally posted by superniceguy

 

Originally posted by ArcAngel3

Seriously though, to cut through all the complex and controversial issues raised in this thread (some pretty good dialogue though if you ask me) let me restate my original thoughts more concisely:

It's not good business to promise something at summits to players face-to-face, then not deliver.  It's also bad customer relations to then shut people down when they ask about the promise you made.  In my mind, SOE ought not to do that.

The server merge thing was not promised, he was going to look into the issue. When he did, the devs advised against the idea, and the majority of the playerbase do not want this.

 

Get this through your thick head: WE PLAYERS DO NOT WANT A SERVER MERGE

A server merge will mean lost items, lost cities and the past 4.5 years building/placing our homes right where we have them. If we have to transfer off of the server  that we are on, it will mean all those years of work GONE. A server merge will be just like another NGE.

A server merge will mean that the servers will be even less populated than they are now

I am quite happy to start a new character on another server, and play there, but if FORCED to move and lose my items, houses, identity and all 4.5 years of work then there is no reason for me to log into game any more.

Too many people feel like this, so the server merge plan from SOE was dropped.

The only way you can establish credibility to your claim is that you are Mr Smed in anon.  To the rest of the player community, Smed has made a promise.  If Smed or you did not mean what they read, sorry poor PR, very poor PR.  If Bush declared war on Russia when drunk, don't blame the Russians for shooting missiles at his ass.

Once again Smed or Mr Try-to-interpret-Smed, no.  Its easy to implement a merge that can tackle the difficulties you talked about.  IF SoE cannot do it, hand over the code to a more able provider.  Tons of game providers have done that.  If its that hard to implement a merge, allow free character transfer.  That way, those who want to move can move, those who want to stay can monopolize the ghost town.  Win -win.

Too many people feel that merging is bad?  Hmm you need to learn to read and count.  Or both.

All those characters created using the 2nd slot unlocked from Jedi will get deleted in a transfer. The fact that Elder Jedi can currently have 3 slots is a bug and was not intended to happen. If anyone deletes that 2nd slot they can not get it back, because the coding of the NGE is not compatible with the pre-NGE. All that effort we have put into that character will get lost.

Server merges with SWG is not possible. It's either the updates that SOE do to attract players to come back, or SOE shuts the game down.

Also a lot of us have started chars on other servers, and have used up the 8 slots given, so if a merge happens now, then some chars will have to be deleted.

Those not currently playing the game have nothing to lose (except for Elder Jedi with 2nd chars to lose) as either your struuctures are packed up already, or youhave accepted the fact they may be packed up/destroyed.

With a lot of effort I am sure that a server merge is viable, but it has been agreed within the community and SOIE that it is best for the devs to concentrate on the content and fixing the bugs, and even if a server merge happens, it will not make people return to the game when the game is crap.

Originally posted by superniceguy

 

Originally posted by superniceguy

Originally posted by Orthedos

Originally posted by superniceguy

 

Originally posted by ArcAngel3

Seriously though, to cut through all the complex and controversial issues raised in this thread (some pretty good dialogue though if you ask me) let me restate my original thoughts more concisely:

It's not good business to promise something at summits to players face-to-face, then not deliver.  It's also bad customer relations to then shut people down when they ask about the promise you made.  In my mind, SOE ought not to do that.

The server merge thing was not promised, he was going to look into the issue. When he did, the devs advised against the idea, and the majority of the playerbase do not want this.

 

Get this through your thick head: WE PLAYERS DO NOT WANT A SERVER MERGE

A server merge will mean lost items, lost cities and the past 4.5 years building/placing our homes right where we have them. If we have to transfer off of the server  that we are on, it will mean all those years of work GONE. A server merge will be just like another NGE.

A server merge will mean that the servers will be even less populated than they are now

I am quite happy to start a new character on another server, and play there, but if FORCED to move and lose my items, houses, identity and all 4.5 years of work then there is no reason for me to log into game any more.

Too many people feel like this, so the server merge plan from SOE was dropped.

The only way you can establish credibility to your claim is that you are Mr Smed in anon.  To the rest of the player community, Smed has made a promise.  If Smed or you did not mean what they read, sorry poor PR, very poor PR.  If Bush declared war on Russia when drunk, don't blame the Russians for shooting missiles at his ass.

Once again Smed or Mr Try-to-interpret-Smed, no.  Its easy to implement a merge that can tackle the difficulties you talked about.  IF SoE cannot do it, hand over the code to a more able provider.  Tons of game providers have done that.  If its that hard to implement a merge, allow free character transfer.  That way, those who want to move can move, those who want to stay can monopolize the ghost town.  Win -win.

Too many people feel that merging is bad?  Hmm you need to learn to read and count.  Or both.

All those characters created using the 2nd slot unlocked from Jedi will get deleted in a transfer. The fact that Elder Jedi can currently have 3 slots is a bug and was not intended to happen. If anyone deletes that 2nd slot they can not get it back, because the coding of the NGE is not compatible with the pre-NGE. All that effort we have put into that character will get lost.

Server merges with SWG is not possible. It's either the updates that SOE do to attract players to come back, or SOE shuts the game down.

Also a lot of us have started chars on other servers, and have used up the 8 slots given, so if a merge happens now, then some chars will have to be deleted.

 

Those not currently playing the game have nothing to lose (except for Elder Jedi with 2nd chars to lose) as either your struuctures are packed up already, or youhave accepted the fact they may be packed up/destroyed.

With a lot of effort I am sure that a server merge is viable, but it has been agreed within the community and SOIE that it is best for the devs to concentrate on the content and fixing the bugs, and even if a server merge happens, it will not make people return to the game when the game is crap.

Sooo You start posting here saying that SWG is the best game out there, and then turn around and call it bug ridden crap? 

Yeah it must be impossible.  It isn't like SOE couldn't just add another character slot per server or anything.... 

At this point what would it hurt.

As far as server mergers not happening because it would waste players time and effort they put into the game, I never noticed that being a big concern with SOE anyway.