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  Coward92

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OP  10/24/07 9:49:14 PM#1

Indications are BioWare will produce a Star Wars MMO replacing SWG by 2009 is a HORRIBLE SIGN for STO. Just the indications of a new Star Wars MMO has created more buzz than STO is now.

PE is a incompetent newbie company. Their  5 year AAA mmo tanked before release, the publisher dropped it and it sucked.

PE's favor a STO-NET community where for 3 years the site has adored PE for producing NOTHING to show us.

For 3 years PE has sat on STO. They cannot meet schedules, and have PROVEN that their product is poor.

STO as it sounds now is not exciting, pretty much a cookie-cutter MMORPG, and it is straying from the IP. The game targeting MMORPG players, not Trek fans.

 

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  Hairysun

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Boo ....

10/24/07 9:53:11 PM#2

  Your in trouble.....posters are also in trouble.  Big trouble.  As a matter of fact everyone that comes to this site is in trouble.  Real big trouble........heh.....

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  bigbenz

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10/24/07 9:56:29 PM#3

The fat old men running these companys dont understand what gamers want. They all think they can reproduce WOW and its not going to happen. STO wont be the last good game idea ruined by greed.

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  Gorair

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10/24/07 10:22:54 PM#4

bioware isnt making a kotor mmo ... but yes the game sto is in trouble

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  BlitzBlade

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10/24/07 10:27:12 PM#5

Well, I don't think this spells doom at all. Let's see if a new KOTOR MMORPG even comes out. I could see myself playing both STO and KOTOR.

Is that so wrong?

  Coward92

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OP  10/24/07 10:32:14 PM#6

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  d1no

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10/24/07 11:44:28 PM#7
Originally posted by Gorair

bioware isnt making a kotor mmo ... but yes the game sto is in trouble

...yes... bioware ... is making a kotor mmo...

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  Deltawraith

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10/24/07 11:45:52 PM#8
Originally posted by Coward92

 

Originally posted by Gorair

bioware isnt making a kotor mmo ... but yes the game sto is in trouble

  Actually, even more reports are out that BioWare is indeed making it:

 

www.warcry.com/news/view/78250-More-Reports-That-Bioware-MMO-Will-Be-Star-Wars

 

 Once it is announced, I think PE will dissolve. The STO as it is now cannot compete with a new Star Wars MMO from BioWare. Has the IP of Star Wars even competed with Star Trek's IP?

Somebody put up a tab of Star Wars and Star Trek money matter.

thats the same damn bit of fake news everyone else is throwing around, NEXT! Quit speculating and show some facts that you know for certain its a KOTOR game. or MOVE on. This whole speculation has been going on far to long and its time we see some hard evidence other than the same article over and over, go to EA or BioWare's site and look for it there IF it is not there then it is all speculation.

  Deltawraith

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"Better to fight for something, than live for nothing."
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10/24/07 11:54:14 PM#9

Matter of fact that the article is soo vague it could mean anything, obvisously you people dont believe the tabloids (hoping I'm not talking to the wrong crowd here). but the whole "close source" thing could have been nothing more than some one standing outside the bioware facility making something up! ( I know thats stretching it) but come on this has gone too far. I mean I can say "A close source to the Pope, actually saw him take a shit in the woods!" and you couldnt prove me wrong because I could have been talking about anyone at anytime in his life time and maybe he did take a shit in the woods when he was a kid hunting in the areas of poland! Because if its on the internet it must be TRUE! It's all speculation.

  mackdawg19

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10/25/07 12:04:26 AM#10

Its sad to hear that you think yet another Star Wars MMO will ruin a Star Trek MMO. DO you even realize how many trekkies are out there? This is not to say PE will make a good star trek mmo or to say there isnt alot of star wars fans, but seriously do you know how many trekkie fans are out there? Also note, nowadays more and more people are playing more than just one mmo. I dont see how Star Wars will have any impact on a Star Trek mmo since there really isnt a star trek moo out and Star Wars KOTOR will always have a comparison out there. I understand you hate towards PE with the recent debakle of GnH but since they did can a game before it came out, atleast you didnt have to pay 50 bucks for a half ass game like most companies make you do. And I hate to tell ya but in no way does STO.net try to back PE. They are just really optimistic and dont judge people based off one downfall. Its called second chances. Something everyone deserves atleast once. In no way was GnH a bad game, it had alot of potential, but ran short of cash flow and involvement. If you read some of the latest reveiws out by people who were IT testers then you can see it was not as bad as a game as some of the people who wrote if off as a WoW clone.

Understandbly though its your opinon. Now on the issue of Bioware. With the latest development of EA buying it, and EA's reputation, and the fact that GnH had ex-EA employess, one being Chris Mckibbin. I would go to say that KOTOR wont be all that and a bag of chips. Especially if they use the PEP Platform software which is IE certified garbage. Just to let ya know, i was an internal core tester for GnH and had many issues with there platform software and its bugs. But game-wise, they had a sound idea. As stated though, the development and cash fell short. So all in all, in my OWN opinon, star wars kotor will have no effect on star trek since is prodominatly different fan bases. Gj increasing your post count though. :)

  User Deleted
10/25/07 12:23:51 AM#11

Originally posted by mackdawg19

Its sad to hear that you think yet another Star Wars MMO will ruin a Star Trek MMO. DO you even realize how many trekkies are out there? This is not to say PE will make a good star trek mmo or to say there isnt alot of star wars fans, but seriously do you know how many trekkie fans are out there? Also note, nowadays more and more people are playing more than just one mmo. I dont see how Star Wars will have any impact on a Star Trek mmo since there really isnt a star trek moo out and Star Wars KOTOR will always have a comparison out there. I understand you hate towards PE with the recent debakle of GnH but since they did can a game before it came out, atleast you didnt have to pay 50 bucks for a half ass game like most companies make you do. And I hate to tell ya but in no way does STO.net try to back PE. They are just really optimistic and dont judge people based off one downfall. Its called second chances. Something everyone deserves atleast once. In no way was GnH a bad game, it had alot of potential, but ran short of cash flow and involvement. If you read some of the latest reveiws out by people who were IT testers then you can see it was not as bad as a game as some of the people who wrote if off as a WoW clone.

Understandbly though its your opinon. Now on the issue of Bioware. With the latest development of EA buying it, and EA's reputation, and the fact that GnH had ex-EA employess, one being Chris Mckibbin. I would go to say that KOTOR wont be all that and a bag of chips. Especially if they use the PEP Platform software which is IE certified garbage. Just to let ya know, i was an internal core tester for GnH and had many issues with there platform software and its bugs. But game-wise, they had a sound idea. As stated though, the development and cash fell short. So all in all, in my OWN opinon, star wars kotor will have no effect on star trek since is prodominatly different fan bases. Gj increasing your post count though. :)


Well, for one thing, the sheer number of Trekkies is one of the biggest reason STO will fail, whether against a Star Wars mmo, or Hello Kitty Online. Thank Daron "We're not making a game for Trekkies" Stinnett and his ridiculous development team for that. So far, everything a Trekkie would want in a Star Trek game has been ridiculed and pushed aside by PE.

Second, IF  Bioware is making a KotOR mmo, it will stomp anything PE puts out for the same reason Blizzard stomped its competition with WoW when it released. Because gamers, both console and PC gamers, many who have never played an rpg game of any type, LOVED KotOR. Bioware took everything good about Star Wars and highlighted it, polished it, improved on it, made it their own while still keeping in line with known canon and lore from the Star Wars universe. And the same way fans of Blizzard flocked to WoW, Bioware fans will flock to KotOR Online.

  mackdawg19

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10/25/07 12:39:42 AM#12

And how many fans from SWG do you think will play KOTOR and compare it? Without any official conformation, are you to say Bioware will have full control over this game, when EA just bought them and Pandemic out? And if so how will this influence KOTOR? As stated I didnt say KOTOR wont have tons of players, nor will it be a great game. I more so meant the company as a whole in its now state. And that just because Bioware is making a Star Wars mmo, that it will have no effect on a Star Trek MMO since they prodominatly have different crowds. And the veiws about STO.net and PE are self explanatory. And to be brutally honest, with the whole NGE issue that happened with SWG, whos to say Bioware will do it different. Bioware has produced some great games, but to consider it a downfall on a game that has no relation to it is a moot point. And just because Daron stated that, doesn't mean it cannot or will not change. Everyone thought GnH WAS coming out due to it being sold in pre order boxes, yet that didnt happen. Veiws due change, and with them being under new investors, im sure they will play a part in what STO will have and not have as its there money being invested and they want quality regardless of who it is.

  User Deleted
10/25/07 1:04:13 AM#13

 

 

Yes STO is in trouble, but not for the reasons some of you think.

This group of people are the reason STO is in trouble, they are Joe Keene, Chris McKibbin, Richard Zinser and Daron Stinnett.

  Coward92

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OP  10/25/07 2:32:23 AM#14

Originally posted by Keogh

 

 

Yes STO is in trouble, but not for the reasons some of you think.

This group of people are the reason STO is in trouble, they are Joe Keene, Chris McKibbin, Richard Zinser and Daron Stinnett.

 

   These people are motivated by the success of WoW, and hope to implement the same game model to Star Trek Online with the goal of making huge profits. A sound business model, but its implementation is doubtful.

 Star Trek MMO would not fit into a WoW-model. Especially without a non-Federation playable enemy race. Who is there to fight? Holodeck and training matches? Boring.

 Star Trek is about peace and cooperation, ulimately. PE does not seem to be emphasizing these areas. And making Star Trek into a WoW-type limits its scope and innovation.

 World of Warcraft worked and attracted a lot of gamers. However, trying to copy it is bad thinking. First, Warcraft had its own set fanbase, with games based on it since 1994. And a lot of WoW is just hype, solid game engine and easy to get into gameplay. Plus at 6 million users, that is #1 for MMOs but just a fraction of the number of gamers out there. Attracting the same WoW-type audience is not reaching higher and is not a good business model, you want to break the mold and attract more gamers.

 If Star Trek Online attracted its own built in fan base, and made a type of gameplay that made waves and was cool and fun, then it would create it own hype and attract new games. Being a copycat of a previous hit is no way to be successful.

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  arvainis

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10/25/07 9:35:02 AM#15

I think we are missing one major fact....even if a KOTOR MMO is not released, STO will fail because PE is a crap company.  Like others have said they could not even produce a basic MMO with very few features.  Their management sucks and they are going right down the toilet.  ALl that STO fans can pray for is that PE dies and the IP goes to someone with a decent track record...or even Fred the Plumber next door could make a better MMO then PE.  PE amy have the most talented people on staff but with their crappy management nothing great will ever be done.  STO will fall, and it will fall big time.

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  Dracus

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10/25/07 2:08:41 PM#16

And let us say for the record, that Bioware's MMO is not KOTOR or similar to Star Wars.  Let's just say it was another Fantasy Game.  Would it be true, that even people who wanted to play STO would choose to play this Fantasy Game, due to the reputation Bioware has?  We saw how vital of a role reputation played with Blizzard and I think we can agree that Bioware has about that same reputation as Blizzard.  To add to it, that expected buyout is very large, providing additional money for such as project; much greater than STO is being funded with.

Now there are some areas that PE can outperform Bioware, if PE ever choses to do so.  One example is letting the community have impact to the development of STO.  Bioware is keeping quiet and will not let the users have a say in the matter.  PE could be different and say, let users design their own ships and put them into play, just like with Pirates of the Burning Seas.  But PE prefers to go the quiet manner just like other big companies...

And that is why...

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  jor8888

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10/25/07 2:18:24 PM#17

even if its not Kotor mmo ppl would still rather play WAR40K or Stargate. 

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10/25/07 2:42:46 PM#18

Originally posted by Dracus

And let us say for the record, that Bioware's MMO is not KOTOR or similar to Star Wars.  Let's just say it was another Fantasy Game.  Would it be true, that even people who wanted to play STO would choose to play this Fantasy Game, due to the reputation Bioware has?  We saw how vital of a role reputation played with Blizzard and I think we can agree that Bioware has about that same reputation as Blizzard.  To add to it, that expected buyout is very large, providing additional money for such as project; much greater than STO is being funded with.

Now there are some areas that PE can outperform Bioware, if PE ever choses to do so.  One example is letting the community have impact to the development of STO.  Bioware is keeping quiet and will not let the users have a say in the matter.  PE could be different and say, let users design their own ships and put them into play, just like with Pirates of the Burning Seas.  But PE prefers to go the quiet manner just like other big companies...

PE lost me as a future customer (and I'd be willing to bet 99% of the trekkies out there would agree) when Daron decide to proclaim to the world he wasn't making a game for trekkies.  While I respect they want to make a game that will appeal to the masses, why they would shoot themselves in the foot and declare they are not making a game for trekkies is beyond me.  When CBS pulls the IP out from underneath PE I hope Daron remembers his "not for trekkies" comment.  If it wasn't for us Trekkies out there, Daron, you wouldn't have IP to base a game off of.

 

 

Fear not fanbois, we are not trolls, let's take off your tin foil hat and learn what VAPORWARE is:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaporware

"Vaporware is a term used to describe a software or hardware product that is announced by a developer well in advance of release, but which then fails to emerge after having well exceeded the period of development time that was initially claimed or would normally be expected for the development cycle of a similar product."

  tman5

Apprentice Member

Joined: 8/24/07
Posts: 613

10/26/07 2:55:29 PM#19

Originally posted by mackdawg19

Its sad to hear that you think yet another Star Wars MMO will ruin a Star Trek MMO. DO you even realize how many trekkies are out there? This is not to say PE will make a good star trek mmo or to say there isnt alot of star wars fans, but seriously do you know how many trekkie fans are out there? Also note, nowadays more and more people are playing more than just one mmo. I dont see how Star Wars will have any impact on a Star Trek mmo since there really isnt a star trek moo out and Star Wars KOTOR will always have a comparison out there. I understand you hate towards PE with the recent debakle of GnH but since they did can a game before it came out, atleast you didnt have to pay 50 bucks for a half ass game like most companies make you do. And I hate to tell ya but in no way does STO.net try to back PE. They are just really optimistic and dont judge people based off one downfall. Its called second chances. Something everyone deserves atleast once. In no way was GnH a bad game, it had alot of potential, but ran short of cash flow and involvement. If you read some of the latest reveiws out by people who were IT testers then you can see it was not as bad as a game as some of the people who wrote if off as a WoW clone.

Understandbly though its your opinon. Now on the issue of Bioware. With the latest development of EA buying it, and EA's reputation, and the fact that GnH had ex-EA employess, one being Chris Mckibbin. I would go to say that KOTOR wont be all that and a bag of chips. Especially if they use the PEP Platform software which is IE certified garbage. Just to let ya know, i was an internal core tester for GnH and had many issues with there platform software and its bugs. But game-wise, they had a sound idea. As stated though, the development and cash fell short. So all in all, in my OWN opinon, star wars kotor will have no effect on star trek since is prodominatly different fan bases. Gj increasing your post count though. :)

/agree

There is no reason to believe that a Star Wars MMO would threaten a Star Trek MMO- assuming both products are of equal quality.  I'm a Star Trek fan - trekkie, not trekker! - and a Star Wars fan.  I could see myself playing both.

 

  Tabby_Cat

Novice Member

Joined: 3/25/06
Posts: 140

10/26/07 3:02:17 PM#20

I'm a Star Trek fan  and a Star Wars fan.  I could see myself playing both. And with that said I do not see how STO is in big trouble if Bioware makes a Starwars MMO either.

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