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Zorgo
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Joined: 12/05/05
Who did wrong? The advertiser hired to sell the game or the consumer who put faith in advertising? |
10/22/07 11:30:47 AM#21
Originally posted by KyleranDiplomacy is being integrated as promised. Evidence is APW raid content needs diplomats to open up dungeon areas. Even this promise is coming to fruition. The engaging gameplay is opinion. Many of us playing are engaged fully. |
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No I said two people gave legit links to review websites where vanguard got bad ratings. and i didnt lie at all, in my favorite websites (ign, gamespy, pc gamer, game informer and more) vanguard never got bad reviews....why would i lie about that? My point is 100% valid. Vanguard got bad ratings only because of bugs, and most of them were not "horrible" Thus showing my original point.
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and yes of most of these websites the reviewers only play Warcraft...like literally. Vanguard is too hard for them they get frustrated put out a review in a month, where as Wow:BC got about 4-5 months for review time thus leading to horrible ratings but on legit sites, vanguard got fair reviews, because its a good game, just way to many bugs. once again thats the only point im getting across I play all ghame |
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10/22/07 11:37:39 AM#24
Did they ever fix the "look the grip of my weapon is in my armpit" thing? Besides the horrible performance and massive bug influx, I think that was one of the reasons I quit. |
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10/22/07 11:46:35 AM#25
Originally posted by Proserpine You forgot a few other differences between Vanguard and LOTRO... LOTRO got great reviews across the board.... vanguard did not. LOTRO was virtually bug-free and ran smooth at launch.... Vanguard was a mostly broken bug-fest. LOTRO was a financial success... Vanguard did so bad the Developers went out of business. What interesting things did Vanguard launch with that LOTRO did not? Other than diplomacy, which no one cares about anyway.... I did 't see much of a difference in the feature lists.... other than the fact that the features in LOTRO worked better then the ones in Vanguard. Vanguard did get bad reviews, despite the revisionist history portrayed by this thread. Unless you have no understanding of how game scores work, and you think 5 or 6 out of 10 is a good score. |
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10/22/07 11:51:53 AM#26
I love hearing the excuse that the reviewers have only played World of Warcraft and so cannot review the game correctly. I'm sure thats the case for IGN, Gamespy, PC Gamer, etc., where it got terrible reviews. Makes sense
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10/22/07 12:07:19 PM#27
VG got bad reviews at release because it deserved them for the state the game was released in. It's much better now, but it was an unstable bug fest at release. I love VG. It's the only game out right now that I would play. No, I'm not flaming anyone else's game of choice, I just prefer VG to anything else. But it did deserve bad reviews at release. |
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lol its hopless, im done with this thread because half of the haters are not making any sense....peace I play all ghame |
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10/22/07 12:45:06 PM#29
I dont understand , its a good game just to many bugs?
Playing: Lord of the Rings Online. |
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Sandage, what games have you played? Because almost every single MMO I played at release was buggy in some way. Vanguard was just worse then SOME, but there was plenty with hardcore server crashes.. and many many bugs in starting zones .wait a second...Warcraft was STILL HAVING hardcore server crashes almost a year into release. Vanguard is a good game because when it came to releasing a game that had TONS of content right off the bat, and tons of features and ideas many old school MMO gamers were looking for, vanguard did it well. But they overdid it, overlooked too many bugs, and microsoft got mad because they wanted to release it vista only....think Halo 2....microsoft doesnt care about games like they used to, or did they ever? theres plenty of MMOs with great releases, few server crashes, and fewer bugs. But guess what? They didnt release with as much content as Vanguard did, and thats why its a good game. I play all ghame |
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10/22/07 1:03:50 PM#31
Originally posted by Salvatoris 1) I dont care about reviews and I dont read them. So dont know if you are right or wrong. But reviews by people in the industry rarely align with what the players think (look at movie reviews...bleh) 2) I sure hope LotRO was bug free, there was so little there. You should be able to launch an empty shell of a game pretty smoothly. 3) You're right, VG sank. But of course LotRO is going to have a bigger fanbase. Lord of the Rings is one of the most followed lores out there. Plus its got three blockbuster movies behind it. That is the only thing that keeps it going As for the difference in the games: VG's diplomacy was new and is suposed to mean something at end game (I dont know, I didnt stick around for the new patches). The crafting in VG was also pretty deep. Plus the class I played, the bloodmage, was way different from any class I've played before. It had alot of unique spells and I got a sense that other classes were different too. But playing the classes in Lotro left me yawning... ------------------------------ |
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10/22/07 1:05:00 PM#32
Originally posted by Player_420The issue with all games now is the over simplification. Seems everyone is trying to make you take "baby steps" in the MMO world...from WoW, to LOTRO to Tabula Rasa...all of these are simple mechanics that even the youngest children can play... Vanguard tried to take an alternate route, with a game that requires you to think, and work for your experience...and would have really been a major release, if not for the bugs... SOE has made major fixes to EQ2, and are now doing the same with Vanguard...but, I am worried that Vanguard may be to late to save... As to a previous posters comment on LOTRO being bug free...try again...just take a gander at the Book 11 release notes to see the list of fixes...just because it may be stable for you, it is not for everyone. I had so many times of floating in mid air, NPC's not working correctly, stuttering performance...it grew tiresome... But, anyways. I would love a game that would make me have more to do...and maybe Vanguard will progress enough and get some of it's user base back to be a worthwhile station pass title.. Cheers! |
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10/22/07 1:05:50 PM#33
The only opinion of a game that should matter is your own. 
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10/22/07 2:11:22 PM#34
Originally posted by dterry Well if youl need others as well in an mmo. Playing: Lord of the Rings Online. |
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10/22/07 2:13:16 PM#35
Originally posted by sandage Why would you "need" someone else's opinion to form your own opinion of a game? Or am I misunderstanding your comment?
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10/22/07 2:22:38 PM#36
The game was released in a beta-like state due to poor management and insufficient patience from SoE.
Pathetic.
People dont' pay $60 for a box to beta test a game. It took me a week to quit - how many times can you get killed in a game where death has a steep penalty by mobs that you can't hit because they are glitched out before you quit?
if you like punishment, and think that taking your licks and investing a ton of time somehow represent awesomeness, i feel sorry for you. Someone should have raised you with a more positive mindset. Games should be FUN, not WORK.
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whisperwynd
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Joined: 2/22/06
Think for yourselves and let others enjoy the priviledge to do so as well. |
10/22/07 8:46:18 PM#37
I'd like to point out that reviews in general are not as 'objective' as you may think. Some are, some are biased to the reviewer's preference in style, genre, type etc..., and some are heavily influenced by other sources. read http://money.cnn.com/2006/04/25/news/companies/media_gaming/index.htm If corps can have a say in how a game turns out, why can it not be said of the same for those sites such as IGN, Gamespot, Team Xbox and the like? Do you think just because it's free to subscribe and give opinions that it isn't profit based? Think again. Another quandary I have is this...I'll use WoW as an example because it was all the time I had to research it..but here: http://www.gamestats.com/objects/666/666602/articles.html#reviews. ..It's a list of all sites this site complied for WoW's ratings. If you check some of them, you'll notice they're self-owned and have no reviews for vanguard or LOTRo or many other games for that matter. So, one can assume they were complied that way to serve an end. If large companies are willing to buy these sites, it's because they know there's a profit to be made. Now, I am not defending Vanguard, I stopped playing a few weeks after launch because it was obviously unready for release and I didn't want to pay for something that was broken. I would just like people to think a little before reading reviews and believing them as Gospel. The best reviewer is yourself, since you know what you like and dislike. The old business adage "Nothing ventured is nothing gained" is quite apt for almost eveything in life, and if people would just take the time and compile their own opinions on things and not 'rely' on outside sources, many of these forum threads would not exist. It is too bad VG never got off the ground, it WAS one those games I had waited for in great anticipation, only to be let down by its shortcomings. I just hope other companies learn from this. |
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10/23/07 6:00:56 AM#38
Originally posted by _Jord_ you said yourself you quit after a week, thats up to you but a lot has changed since then and the game is actualy much improved.the death penalty steep? i supose if you compare it to games without a penalty then i can see where your coming from! but compared to agmes with penaltys ie, Everquest this penalty is actually hardly anything. As for being raised with a more positive mindset? i dont quite understand where your coming from there as isn't that what people who play VG are doing? being positive? rather than just be negative and say the game was released early so must be crap, the game is owned by soe so must be crap! come on give yourself more credit than that. DO NOT feel sorry for me i am having fun playing the game just like you say i should be! |
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Kyleran
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Joined: 9/13/06
A simple truth-"What people want and what is good for an mmo is not always the same thing"-mrw0lf |
10/23/07 6:24:46 AM#39
Actually, I'll stand corrected...sort of.... while the OP's original premise isn't quite true (VG 'never' having horrible reviews) it does appear that in general the press overall was kinder than I would have thought. Its overall press average (20 sources) was a 6.7..... which doesn't make it horrible.... just sort of average.... Although, I think the press was more forgiving than the player base was.....
"Just because you aren't paying doesn't mean it's not PTW." - Amaranthar |
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10/23/07 11:10:34 AM#40
I must remember you guys who is talking about VG having Launch bugs ^^. It have passed 6-8 months now and still have bugs, and it have already past the launch dates. But, i think im going to buy 1 month sub now again -.-'. how many times havn't you said "maybe" it has improved since last time i quit. hehe, well VG hasnt for me yet. But i will still buying subs until its good because i wanna like it |
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