I have never been more dissappointed about game news. This is truly sad. And putting effort into Star Trek is a bad decision, because it will flop for certain. If they think it will have success comparable to the mediocre success of Star Wars, they are fooling themselves.

Hopefully, another outfit will buy the rights and current product and finish GnH.

Originally posted by Zorvan

 

Originally posted by Lumbergh

its obvious that Star Trek online is going to get alot of hype from trekkys.

Actually, it's the "trekkies" who are screaming at PE the loudest for butchering the concept of Star Trek.

 

Funny thing is, Mr. Daron Stinnett is nowhere to be found to answer questions about G&H or STO. I get the feeling that pompous little man is unemployed now.

"STO is not being made for Trekkies." and "There's still plenty of time to cancel your subscriptions." are not the sort of remarks you make to fans of Star Trek who are concerned with the way STOs' development seems to be planned. He sank his career by opening his mouth ( another Brad), and probably helped to end one game (G&H), if not both (G&H and STO).

You're kidding...he didn't actually SAY that, did he?  (The Daron Stinnett quotes.)  Dude...that's amazing.  It's remarks like that that tend to lead to your MMO's launch day being accompanied by an orchestra of...crickets.

Originally posted by smg77

 

Originally posted by ajm563

 I couldn't agree more.  I don't think STO will even make it as far as G&H.  I expect to see PE out of business before STO sees the light of day.

I hope so. I have absolutely no faith that PE can do a Trek game justice. Hopefully a more competent company can take over.

 

Agreed.

Undoubtedly the best move they could have made.  This game will be crushed under WAR and AoC, and waiting it out for these games to lose their hype will definitely give this game a good start. 

 to Perpetual.

I guess Perpetual Entertainment publish this saying by purpose. They want to attract people's attention. I guess they are developing this game as theire schedule. And they will come back to say: Ok, we finish it now, we will launch it on xxxxx.

It is a good game, i can not believe they could put them "on indefinite hold".

Raise yer hand if you saw this coming lol

I for one feel no remorse or sadness as I feel they got what was coming to them.

Screw Perpetual, another SOE type of development company on my list.  I was mildly interested in Star Trek, but now I will never touch that game.

I liked the G&H beta. It had nice gameplay and the minions were cool (much better than the stupid GW henchmen). It had a cool setting and nice world. The maps were not very open which was good (no endless running around the map or searching for an item or boss). There were many quests but I haven't noticed any long quest chains. It still had many problems (some movement problems, hard to click on mobs, some very stupid NPCs, game crashing, ...) but nothing that couldn't be fixed.

I think the main problem with G&H was that it was similar to WoW but had nothing to really pull players from WoW (or LotRO, etc..) to it. It would also be hard to compete with other WoW-like games which will come out in the future. Basically G&H would be a game for those who get bored with WoW (or similar games).

There was also no hype around it. When I got into the beta I really expected a crappy mmo. My friends said they don't even want to try it. But I was surprised. It wasn't bad. I think that with more work it could become a good game.

Well.. Perpetual was really too optimistic to work on 2 mmos at the same time. If they want to bring out STO they should have canceled G&H long time ago.

I also don't have much hope for STO. Star Trek just isn't a good world for a mmo. Sure.. it's huge and there could be many things to do. But.. did Kirk and Spock ever go around doing quests on their own just to earn money or some cool gear? I don't think so. It was never about gear and combat.

"Kill 10 and 5 to get new boots?" That isn't Star Trek.

Ofc.. it can have different gameplay and rewards... but then noone except the biggest Star Trek fans will play it.

Best thing they could have done.  They left out so many important MMO qualities, it would have flopped big time even if they addressed the bugs.  How can anyone make a MMO without tradeskills? 

I expect someone will come out with a Roman themed MMO, PE just does not understand the MMO genre.

It does not look good for STO either, they are ignoring the lore.  Can't believe that Paramount has not yanked the ST label from the game.   Current design has so little relation to the ST lore it is ridiculous.

Originally posted by Ozmodan

Best thing they could have done.  They left out so many important MMO qualities, it would have flopped big time even if they addressed the bugs.  How can anyone make a MMO without tradeskills? 

That's a pretty good point you have. And while I thought about that exact same point myself I pondered if crafting is really necessary  for G&H since it had some really good drop items as loot and some of the quest rewards were really outstanding.  I currently play WOW and the crafting there is some what unbalanced with all the professions. It's more beneficial per say to be an Alchemist than a Leather worker since an alchemist can harvest pretty much all the stuff for their current level that is usuable to them where as a leather worker can't . Leather workers need materials that come from mobs 5-8 levels higher to them just to be able to make a item that is useable to them for their level.

For me crafting isnt really all that important ( even though I do it )  since any great gear  ( armor and weapons ) that I have ever wore in any MMO from SWG, EQ II and WOW have been obtained from either questing for them or as dropped lootable items.

Long thread and I'll admit I didn't read every single post.  So if I comment on something already commented on, I apologize now.

This could put a "black eye" on roman-ish games in the future.  Mythic bailed on Imperator and now G&H has been shelved.  A company considering making one may think twice as they will see two previous Roman Theme games never made it to release.

What I really think happened is standard American Corporate Greed.  Mythic got a hold of the Warhammer franchise so dumped Imperator to focus on the one with better odds as a money-maker.  Now Perpetual is doing the same, dumping one game for the more well-known Star Trek franchise.  Pesonally, I was looking more forward to Imperator and G&H that I was WAR or STO.

Oh and I agree with a previous poster, part of the reason for dropping G&H was due to them taking on STO and they couldn't handle doing both.

Originally posted by yupeizuan

I guess Perpetual Entertainment publish this saying by purpose. They want to attract people's attention. I guess they are developing this game as theire schedule. And they will come back to say: Ok, we finish it now, we will launch it on xxxxx.

It is a good game, i can not believe they could put them "on indefinite hold".

#2  They have laid off people multiple times, I highly doubt with the layoffs they are putting anyone to work on GnH when they are going to have to push STO to start earning some income.  So far all they have is investors giving money.

#3  There are better ways of getting attention, say......making a good game.  Obviosuly they are not capable of this.

#4  Believe it mate, the game is on "indefinite hold" aka all info was wiped and STO put in its place.  You will never see GnH again.