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DeaconX
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OCTOBER 21, 2008, Historical day of... http://www.swtor.com/index.php
JULY 17th Update http://www.endsights.com/?p=85
BIOWARE MMORPG FACTS – UPDATED! JULY 10. 2008
--------------------------- This thread was created to gather all available information regarding the BioWare MMORPG currently in development. We are looking for any and all information. Speculation is inevitable, but if we must let’s try to be as informed as possible. Please feel free to help add or correct any information presented and remember to take everything with a grain of salt ;)
BREAKING NEWS: http://www.looking4group.com/forums/showthread.php?t=322 Sean Dahlberg of Stray Bullet Games (Shadowbane) has been hired by BioWare as the community manager for the MMORPG studio in Austin, TX. With this news, we can hopefully look forward to learning much more about the game soon.
Updated: Jan.21.08: LucasArts hiring an Executive Producesr - Online Business Unit http://jobs.gamesondeck.com/jobseekerx/viewjobrss.asp?cjid=13777&accountno=260
"Originally posted by ssnautilus WHO?
NEWSFLASH 30th OCTOBER:
Bioware + LucasArts sign up for "Ground-Breaking Interactive Entertainment Product": This news is verified thru the Bioware site directly: And at the LucasArts site: "SAN FRANCISCO, CA and EDMONTON, CANADA -- October 30, 2007 -- LucasArts and BioWare Corp. today announced that they have entered into an agreement to create an interactive entertainment product. The product, details of which will be unveiled at a later date, will be developed and published by BioWare and LucasArts, and will push the boundaries of the gaming market by utilizing the strengths of both companies to deliver an innovative, high-quality experience. "LucasArts has a deep commitment to developing compelling stories and characters for the unique medium of interactive entertainment, and we have been searching for a developer that shares this value. We found this in BioWare," said Jim Ward, president of LucasArts. "Through our previous collaborations, we know that BioWare has an impressive ability to blend gripping stories with technological advancements, and we believe that our upcoming product will deliver an experience that will span the traditional boundaries of video game entertainment."
"BioWare's mission is to deliver the best story and character-driven games in the world, delivering powerful emotional experiences to our fans." said Ray Muzyka, chief executive officer, BioWare Corp. Added Greg Zeschuk, president of BioWare Corp., "The collaboration with LucasArts allows us to combine our passion for creating high quality and innovative experiences with those of a company dedicated to bringing only the finest games to market."
Things are looking up! Still not sure whether it is a Star Wars/KotOR MMO or something along the lines of MASS EFFECT."
-On March 13, 2006, BioWare announced that they opened a new studio in Austin, Texas headed by industry veterans Gordon Walton and Richard Vogel, which is already working on developing an MMORPG. -Gordon Waltin worked on Star Wars Galaxies
-Development started December 2005 [Gordon Walton] http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3155486
-Due out in 2009 [Bill Dalton of BioWare] however in a recent interview after the EA buyout of BioWare the release date is claimed to be in the ‘back half’ of 2009,10,11.
-EA announced an agreement with Elevation Partners to acquire VG Holding Corp, owners of both BioWare and Pandemic Studios -The MMORPG is already in a playable build with members of BioWare enjoying it as stated by Ray Muzyka and Greg Zeshcuk during Gamespot's Q&A on the EA acquisition.
-Licensor Liaison job was posted by BioWare Austin a while back. One of the job requirements was a strong familiarity with PC AND console markets. -Damion Schubert is the lead combat designer for the BioWare MMO. His blog: http://www.zenofdesign.com/
WHAT?
-BioWare maintains almost total secrecy about their MMO, thus no setting/IP has been either announced, confirmed or denied
-BioWare has adopted StreamBase's Stream Processing Engine. StreamBase has previously provided Complex Event Processing software to many leading financial institutions as well as the government and military sectors.
Event Processing Engine Part 1 - http://www.informationweek.com/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=199902853 Processing Engine Part 2 - http://www.streambase.com/complex-event-processing.htm
-BioWare Austin will use HeroEngine for development of its new MMO project.
"At BioWare we selected HeroEngine because it had the most sophisticated and complete development tools available for building an amazing online experience. Our team wanted a great rapid prototyping environment and to work with experienced MMO developers. HeroEngine from Simutronics is a perfect fit for BioWare Austin's requirements."
The Engine - http://www.play.net/playdotnet/platform/home.asp Prepetual's Service Backbone - http://www.perpetual.com/platform/ -A .pdf from the EA acquisition listing all the past and future games from Bioware - notice the New MMO doesn’t have Owned IP checked - Meaning it is indeed a licensed IP
Hosted by Thompson Financial – http://www.thomson.com/solutions/financial/
Some Quotes:
-"The key points that we're gonna do that no one's done before in an MMOG are bring story, character, and emotion to it. Decisions matter, [non-player characters] aren't just Pez dispensers, and you're not in a grind," Rich Vogel
-StreamBase is designed to process enormous amounts of real-time information at blindingly fast speeds, making it an ideal platform for delivering a rich online gaming experience for thousands of players simultaneously," said Barry Morris, Chairman and CEO of StreamBase.
-"After we evaluated the StreamBase CEP software, we quickly realized that partnering with them would cut our server development costs by multiple man years," said Bill Dalton of BioWare
-"At BioWare we selected HeroEngine because it had the most sophisticated and complete development tools available for building an amazing online experience; Our team wanted a great rapid prototyping environment and to work with experienced MMO developers. The HeroEngine from Simutronics is a perfect fit for BioWare Austin's requirements." said Gordon Walton
-"We want to bring a level of storytelling that's equal to the single-player box games that BioWare has done. I think we can do that. One of the big challenges will be making our storytelling work in an environment that has multiple players." Creative Director James Ohlen
-“One thing we don't want to do is NPC Pez dispensers, as I call them -- go over there, dispense a quest, and then go "vacuum-clean" a zone. We want to make sure you listen to NPCs, because choices matter. And that's really important.” Richard Vogel
- GS: Now one of the main reasons EA gave for acquiring BioWare/Pandemic was the upcoming massively multiplayer online role-playing game you're developing in Austin. After listening to John's comments in the conference call, one walks away with the impression that said MMORPG is a wholly owned IP of BioWare--and therefore EA. Is that correct?
RM: We haven't revealed any details about the game. It's super secret right now. It's got all the characters and story arc that BioWare is known for, and I wish I could say more. It's the best of breed of MMO, with the magic BioWare's associated with, and our goal is to make sure people can't stop playing it.
Above from: http://www.gamespot.com/news/6180866.html
BioWare Forums:
 IT should be noted that BioWare was busy working on their own IP RPG, JADE EMPIRE when LEC wanted KOTOR II thus BioWare passed the project onto their lil brother company, OBSIDIAN ENTERTAINMENT
SPECULATION: PROCEED WITH CAUTION! -Citi's Brent Thill predicts that BioWare is quietly working on a Star Wars MMO. He says that this would be a "strong positive" for the EA, one that "bolsters [its] MMO exposure
- Riccitiello used to work for EA, left and co-founded Elevation Partners, which in 2005 bought BioWare. Now, he is back at EA as the CEO and bought BioWare back from his old company. (You cant serve God and the Mammon, ahd he knows whom he serves, apparently.) - EA has so far vaporized almost all corporations it acquired, and most game series and traditions were not taken up: Origin (Ultima, Wing Commander), Westwood (Lands of Lore, only Command & Conquer is continued), Bullfrog (Dungeon Keeoper), Maxis (Sim City and Sims all now are just "EA".)
-LucasArts rep raised another interesting possibility--that another Star Wars MMORPG could be in the works. "We have had several developers approach us expressing interest in developing a future Star Wars online game," said the rep. (emphasis in the original.) However, if any such game is in the works, it will be a long time until it surfaces. "As of right now, it hasn't gone anything beyond that (that is, no conversations, no serious talks, no pitches, etc.)," assured the rep. -Article also states: “BioWare appears the more likely candidate. Besides the fact it developed the critically acclaimed and wildly popular Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic, the developer just founded a new studio in Austin, Texas--home of SOE's Austin branch--which employs several ex-SOE staffers. The shop's sole project is an unidentified MMORPG set in a science fiction universe”
- (12/05) A few press releases about kotor3 were leaked and quickly dismissed by Bioware as a hoax. Not to mention an interview with the writer for the kotor comic series, John Jackson MIller, that also came out in December '05 stating: "there’s going to be another Knights of the Old Republic video game for sure." -Bioware did not work on KOTOR 2 because they were working on there own rpg already(Jade Empire)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Wars:_Knights_of_the_Old_Republic (I did not want to quote wiki but I can't find the original link) – Posted by Zxny
The merge between Bioware and Pandemic created a company that has made over 4 different Star Wars Games http://bioware.pandemicstudios.com/
-While BioWare has made no comments about the Star Wars MMORPG rumors, neither LucasArts nor SOE have said anything to discredit it. -In a recent interview with Jake Neri of Star Wars Galaxies it was revealed that there are no future expansion packs planned for development.
- Insiders knowing that Bioware being in production with another Star Wars MMO could be responsible for all the rumors flying around in early 2006 that SOE was loosing the Star Wars license, which may not be so false after all. I hate to think of SWG's player numbers in 2009. That would be 10 years since SWG started production and could also very well be the end of the SWG/SOE license contract with Lucas Arts, just in time for its replacement. Analysts claim it is a Star Wars MMO!
Source - http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=15841 AT The risk of losing credibility if they are in fact wrong for reporting the BioWare MMORPG is KOTOR BASED:
-NOT A D&D TITLE: Scott Rouse, SR. Brand Manager - Dungeons & Dragons The domain was registered last week.
The registrant is a company that is supposed to keep the other companies info private.
If it's just "grabbing a url" bioware wouldn't have set it up to redirect to their own website - they would have just had some random crap on there. They wouldn't have set it up on their nameservers. If you look at the IP - it's the same as bioware.com.
Registrant:
Domains by Proxy, Inc. DomainsByProxy.com 15111 N. Hayden Rd., Ste 160, PMB 353 Scottsdale, Arizona 85260 United States Registered through: GoDaddy.com, Inc. (http://www.godaddy.com) Domain Name: LUCASARTSBIOWARE.COM Created on: 11-Oct-07 Expires on: 11-Oct-12 Last Updated on: 23-Oct-07 Administrative Contact: Private, Registration LUCASARTSBIOWARE.COM@domainsbyproxy.com Domains by Proxy, Inc. DomainsByProxy.com 15111 N. Hayden Rd., Ste 160, PMB 353 Scottsdale, Arizona 85260 United States (480) 624-2599 Fax -- (480) 624-2599 Technical Contact: Private, Registration LUCASARTSBIOWARE.COM@domainsbyproxy.com Domains by Proxy, Inc. DomainsByProxy.com 15111 N. Hayden Rd., Ste 160, PMB 353 Scottsdale, Arizona 85260 United States (480) 624-2599 Fax -- (480) 624-2599 Domain servers in listed order: NS1.BIOWARE.COM NS2.BIOWARE.COM
http://www.eucantina.net/archives/834 On July 3rd, 2008, LucasFilm filed for trademarks for the following:
The trademarks have been registered for “Entertainment services provided on-line by means of global and local area networks, namely, providing interactive computer game software, interactive video game software and interactive computer games and interactive video games, all on-line by means of global and local area networks” You can view a screenshot of the trademark for “Star Wars the Old Republic” here. It is important to note that these trademarks were registered in the same way as the trademark for “Star Wars Galaxies”. These are officially registered with the United States Patent and Trademark Office. It appears that at least one of these titles may be used to create a new online Star Wars game. “The Old Republic” title makes me think about that KOTOR MMO everyone’s been talking about. Credit for the screenshot and discovery of “The Old Republic” title goes to the website StarWarsUniverse.com
Riccitiello also states that the KOTOR MMO will “sidestep the consoles owned by Sony, Microsoft and Nintendo,” presumably making it a PC exclusive. To all the KOTOR fans–excited? Or would you rather have another single-player experience?
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 Why do I write, create, fantasize, dream and daydream about other worlds? Because I hate what humanity does with this one. BOYCOTTING EA / ORIGIN going forward. Sorry TSW. |
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Briansho
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Joined: 3/05/06
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10/12/07 10:26:27 PM#2
IMO they are going to move a lot of people over to Ultima Online Kingdom Reborn in hopes of resparking a steady amount of subsciptions for that game. Don't be terrorized! You're more likely to die of a car accident, drowning, fire, or murder! More people die every year from prescription drugs than terrorism LOL! |
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10/12/07 11:47:56 PM#3
some more facts: - Riccitiello used to work for EA, left and co-founded Elevation Partners, which in 2005 bought BioWare. Now, he is back at EA as the CEO and bought BioWare back from his old company. (You cant serve God and the Mammon, ahd he knows whom he serves, apparently.) - in one of the recent interviews on Gamespot with one of those responsible guys, Ray Myzuka, said, the Bioware MMO "got all the characters and story arc that BioWare is known for" - EA has so far vaporized almost all corporations it acquired, and most game series and traditions were not taken up: Origin (Ultima, Wing Commander), Westwood (Lands of Lore, only Command & Conquer is continued), Bullfrog (Dungeon Keeoper), Maxis (Sim City and Sims all now are just "EA".)
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10/13/07 1:28:02 AM#4
Originally posted by Briansho
What are you talking about? UO has already been handed off to Mythic. They are the ones that finished Kingdom Reborn. EA and Mythic are the ones in charge of the future development of UO.
Originally posted by Elikal
Maxis still has there logo on the box of all Sim games they created. They just keep getting smaller and smaller. SimCity DS and MySims(Wii) are the only two Sim games not made by Maxis. And you have the current SimCity Societies being done by an outside developer.
On June 5, 2007, 1Up.com released an article stating that Tilted Mill Entertainment, creator of Caesar IV, would create SimCity Societies instead of Maxis, which has been creating all preceding titles. Rob Humble, head of the Sims Division at EA, said they had met Tilted Mill at E3. Because the ideas EA/Maxis had were too complicated to fit in their current line-up, Maxis referred to EA to solve the problem, who in turn, asked Tilted Mill to create the game instead. Will Wright said in an interview that he had to much on his plate at the moment to deal with another huge project(refering to SimCity). But he would still be in a consulting role for both Sim games. Like he was for the 2 Sim games that have been built outside the company.
Major EA Acquisitions(All are still running today) Criterion Games (Acquired in 2004) (They were in huge debt at the time)
Westwood studio was merged into EA Pacific(later EALA) not closed down. Alot of the developers moved into EA Los Angeles and continued making the C&C series for EA. The others started Petroglyph. Which is great since we now get C&C and new games like Star Wars: Empire at War and there newest game Universe at War: Earth Assault(which is a blast). Bullfrog became EA UK with some of the staff sticking around. The others formed Lionhead Studios. Which turned out to be a great thing for gamers. Lionhead brought use Black & White 2, Fable, and the upcoming Fable 2. By the way Bullfrog was in the hole finicially in 94 and EA bailed them out. The next year they bought them outright. And I don't have much to say about Origin. Except that they were shopping themselves around and EA bought them up. What did you expect them to do? Let Sierra or one of the other Publishers buy them? And the members that didn't stay at EA went on to create new studios that had some decent games. Digital Anvil created Freelancer before Microsoft closed them down. Destination Games which I still have hope something good comes from them...not TR. And Ion Storm created Deus Ex & Thief: Deadly Shadows.
They have acquired over 24 studios since 1991. And they have only closed 8 studios since then. With most just getting absorbed into the EA family. Morale of the story if you can't bring in cash for a Publisher you will not stay around long in this industry. Its not just EA that does this look at Activision, T2, etc.
--------------- Currently Playing: Homefront, CoD:BOps, SWG, Vanguard, Xyson & other Beta's Played(Retired): AOL NWN(91-95), UO, EQ1/2, DAoC, CoX, Lineage1/2, SWG(Pre CU/NGE), Planetside, Anarchy Online, FFXI, AC, Vanguard, D&D, AoC, DCUO, Rift, Eve, others Currently Testing: :) HAHA Waiting On: Terra, AA, GW2, SWToR |
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10/13/07 1:32:30 AM#5
Is there still going to be a Bioware MMO? |
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10/13/07 1:37:56 AM#6
Originally posted by darwa Thats a good question. And one I don't think anyone can really answer at this point. But I would guess if WAR is a success than the Bioware MMO could get scrapped. If EA doesn't think WAR will be the top notch MMO than I think they will let Bioware finish there MMO.
But at this point in time Bioware is going forward with there MMO. And its still to early to tell what EA will do when they have control over them. --------------- Currently Playing: Homefront, CoD:BOps, SWG, Vanguard, Xyson & other Beta's Played(Retired): AOL NWN(91-95), UO, EQ1/2, DAoC, CoX, Lineage1/2, SWG(Pre CU/NGE), Planetside, Anarchy Online, FFXI, AC, Vanguard, D&D, AoC, DCUO, Rift, Eve, others Currently Testing: :) HAHA Waiting On: Terra, AA, GW2, SWToR |
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DeaconX
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I think the MMO they are developing is a part of the reason EA wanted in before the game releases without them - It's apparently already at a playable level [Devs played it] so it would be a waste to cut it... PLUS if it is Star Wars / Mass Effect or any other sci-fi, they would want to keep it for people looking for a Sci-Fi mmo while WAR takes on WoW in fantasy... Why do I write, create, fantasize, dream and daydream about other worlds? Because I hate what humanity does with this one. BOYCOTTING EA / ORIGIN going forward. Sorry TSW. |
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10/13/07 1:49:16 AM#8
Originally posted by cheeba
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NeeAnderTall
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10/13/07 1:51:13 AM#9
I love the idea of a Bioware Star Wars MMO. I fear the unholy alliance that may spawn a Madden D&D Football Melee 2009.
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DeaconX
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Originally posted by NeeAnderTall HAHAHA thanks for that visual lol. I'm fairly confident it IS Star Wars... so confident I made this sig a good while ago as prophecy lol Why do I write, create, fantasize, dream and daydream about other worlds? Because I hate what humanity does with this one. BOYCOTTING EA / ORIGIN going forward. Sorry TSW. |
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10/13/07 3:23:04 AM#11
Originally posted by DeaconX
Hold on Snow Leopard, imma let you finish, but Windows had one of the best operating systems of all time. If the Powerball lottery was like Lotro, nobody would win for 2 years, and then everyone in Nebraska would win on the same day. AMD 4800 2.4ghz-3GB RAM 533mhz-EVGA 9500GT 512mb-320gb HD |
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10/13/07 8:44:38 AM#12
Originally posted by Arndur No, liscences are usually given for SPECIFIC areas and timelines. For example, Bioware once got the D&D licencse for Faerun Sword Coast and nothing else, so other companies could get other parts of Faerun or other worlds of D&D. So Lucasart CAN give SOE the rights for a MMO in the 1st movie trilogy and STILL give Bioware the lisence for a KOTOR era MMO.
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10/13/07 10:46:35 AM#13
Originally posted by Elikal You are right and wrong at the same time. Most licenses do not just cover a specific area or timeline. Not saying that those deals are not ever made. Just that there not the normal deals you see. Remember video games companies are all about sequels or expansion packs. Kinda hard when you have a contract like you propose. You can only make so many sequels for a specific time or place. Then things begin to get stale and old. I can not say what type of license LA gave Sony for SWG. But I would bet it was an exclusive deal or a timed contract. If it was not SOE would not of accepted it. It would be bad business for them not to get those terms into the contract. Remember MMOs cost a lot of money. I am leaning towards a timed exclusive that LA has done before. So going by that Star Wars MMO is in contract until at least 2010, probably more like 2015 though. But we can always hope its KOTOR online. But I expect it to be something in the Mass Effect universe. Thats what I would be building if I was in charge of Bioware. You have Bioware that has said many times they will only be working on original IPs. They have said this in the past 5 months all over there forums. So going by that alone its not KOTOR or anything Star Wars. Also Bioware and LA have not been on the same page in years. There the reason Bioware enacted there original IP rule. LA is a pain to work with and Bioware knows that first hand. I don't expect they would ever work with them again.
And I will say I think your right about the main reason to buy Bioware was for the MMO. But Mass Effect and there other IPs didn't hurt them either. But that still does not mean that they will ever release the game. Looking back on old EA business its easy to visualize this scenario. Remember Ultima Worlds Online: Origin and Ultima X: Odyssey? They were scrapped cause EA feared the competition of there other MMOs. I'm going to quote myself from my earlier response. "Thats a good question. And one I don't think anyone can really answer at this point. But I would guess if WAR is a success than the Bioware MMO could get scrapped. If EA doesn't think WAR will be the top notch MMO than I think they will let Bioware finish there MMO. But at this point in time Bioware is going forward with there MMO. And its still to early to tell what EA will do when they have control over them." I had a lot of other info to type. Just no time this morning. Football game to attend. --------------- Currently Playing: Homefront, CoD:BOps, SWG, Vanguard, Xyson & other Beta's Played(Retired): AOL NWN(91-95), UO, EQ1/2, DAoC, CoX, Lineage1/2, SWG(Pre CU/NGE), Planetside, Anarchy Online, FFXI, AC, Vanguard, D&D, AoC, DCUO, Rift, Eve, others Currently Testing: :) HAHA Waiting On: Terra, AA, GW2, SWToR |
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DeaconX
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Ah football... the reason for my broken wrist lol.... but back to the topic. A Mass Effect MMO could be really cool and yes it is BioWare's IP but theymade the comment about focusing on their own IP's for single player games. MMO's are a whole different beast. If it WERE that they strictly only work on their own IP they wouldnt need to constantly dodge [not confirm or deny] questions about the setting. Why the secrecy? Here's a theory... SOE holds the star wars lisence for 3 years at a time... it must be renewed based on performance... it was rumoured that SOE was losing this lisence due to bad performance [poor quality, not enough players/$].... if SOE were given their last 3 years to make money while BioWare creates the new MMO, all parties would have to be quiet about it. SWG keeps players there as long as possible, milking it. BioWare develops the new MMO in time for SOE's contract to end. A new BETTER SW MMO is brought in. --- just a theory, though i do remember reading someone at LA say "SW is big enough for two MMO's", wish i had a link now : \ Why do I write, create, fantasize, dream and daydream about other worlds? Because I hate what humanity does with this one. BOYCOTTING EA / ORIGIN going forward. Sorry TSW. |
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10/13/07 1:02:39 PM#15
Well, the chance of a Bioware MMO got either a lot higher, or a lot lower. EA announced they have bought Bioware. A bad day for gamers. 
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DeaconX
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Originally posted by Validur
Why do I write, create, fantasize, dream and daydream about other worlds? Because I hate what humanity does with this one. BOYCOTTING EA / ORIGIN going forward. Sorry TSW. |
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korvix
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10/13/07 1:33:31 PM#17
My friend thinks it will be a Jade Empire MMO.../shrug.
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DeaconX
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Originally posted by korvix Could be I suppose but I would much rather have it be Sci-Fi personally... JE seems too limited too... Mass Effect, you have a whole new universe ... SW whole universe with huge established following... D&D based ones........ it could be but I wouldn't really wanna see another fantasy mmo.... then again, if BioWare made one it really wouldn't be just 'another' fantasy mmo ;) Why do I write, create, fantasize, dream and daydream about other worlds? Because I hate what humanity does with this one. BOYCOTTING EA / ORIGIN going forward. Sorry TSW. |
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10/13/07 2:16:39 PM#19
ever since i read in EGM that the Bioware and LEC split was less than friendly i would be totally comfortable saying the chance of bioware making a SW mmo is zero.
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DeaconX
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Originally posted by Gorair Anyone have a link to BioWare saying they wont work with LEC? : \ Can't seem to find it... but I did find this from the EGM Rumor Mill [which is apparently quite credible but i cant testify to that]: http://rlmmo.com/viewtopic.php?p=39165 IF anyone does have a link, pls post it - ty. Why do I write, create, fantasize, dream and daydream about other worlds? Because I hate what humanity does with this one. BOYCOTTING EA / ORIGIN going forward. Sorry TSW. |
