Wasn't SOE their publisher? You guys should do your research of what a publisher does before posting BS like this.

Yes it's SOE's fault for helping smaller independent companies by financing their games. Lets forget the fact that 90% of MMOs that are released on the market suck and only focus on the ones SOE publish.

People need to think before they speak.

Originally posted by xluciferx

Wasn't SOE their publisher? You guys should do your research of what a publisher does before posting BS like this.

Its a curse, i tell you.

It was perpetuals idea to stop development.

Still....i dont like where this is going.....its not a good sign.

Think of all BS MMOs that is relesed.

Hi,

SoE is also responsible of Global Warming.

On a side note it is nice to see that some things never change, SoE was labeled as "the devil" since the EQ1 days back in 1999/2000.
Also, about SWG NGE, Lucas Arts is as "guilty" as SoE if not more.

I get it now. You guys wanted G&H to be released, and you really wanted it to be garbage. That way you could spout off again as to how SOE has put out another garbage game, just like Vanguard (which again they didnt).

Now you are angry that the game was cancelled and you wont be able to do this so you had to change tactics. Now the cancer that is SOE got involved with G&H and just that touch made the developers turn to absolute crap and forced the game to be scrapped.

I think i get it now.

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Originally posted by UnSub

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Originally posted by Lateris

SOE is buying G&H?

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Very unlikely, I'd think. If that was the case, they wouldn't have walked away from G&H and reduced their role a few months ago.

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They DIDN'T reduce their role. They saw how SOE was affecting their game's interests and so they "changed titles" to make it SEEM like SOE was less involved, even though they stated publicly that SOE had their hands just as deep as before. Apparently the smoke-and-mirrors marketing ploy worked on some people, but not enough to save the game.

Originally posted by pb1285n

Yes it's SOE's fault for helping smaller independent companies by financing their games. Lets forget the fact that 90% of MMOs that are released on the market suck and only focus on the ones SOE publish.

People need to think before they speak.

Lets talk about all the quality launches they have had, their IP or not, that went smooth. 

I will start.....

Ok done, your turn.

Originally posted by Daffid011

 

Originally posted by pb1285n

Yes it's SOE's fault for helping smaller independent companies by financing their games. Lets forget the fact that 90% of MMOs that are released on the market suck and only focus on the ones SOE publish.

People need to think before they speak.

OK, lets try this then.  Can you tell me the MMO with SOE's brand label on the box that I can or could have bought on its launch day that was in good shape, fun and did not need 500 combat system revamps?

 

Lets talk about all the quality launches they have had, their IP or not, that went smooth. 

I will start.....

 

Ok done, your turn.

Thing is if a game came out in a perfect state, why are we paying monthly fees to play a static game?  I am not saying a subscription price warrants a game to be released under a beta state, but one would expect a game to be updated for the better of the game and its community.

So far from what I have heard about SOE, all the generated hate seems to be a bit mislead.

SWG: Lucas Arts was responsible for the changes made.
Vanguard: Sigil developed the game, and released it after money fell short.  SOE picked it up and is doing a EQ2 style fix to the game, and doing a good job.

These are the only two MAJOR issues I have heard about, connected to SOE.  Then from everything I've gathered from forums, news sites, etc. they aren't even responsible for.  The only game I see SOE responsible for was EQ2.  When it was released, it was considered lackluster, but it was far from not being playable.  Now after the 5000th game update and changes to it, its actually one of the best MMO's to date (my opinion).

I am no SOE fanboy though this post may look like the opposite, but all the hate is just a bit to far fetched and unwarranted.

Funny stuff here.  Let me start off by saying I <3 SOE. There I said it. I've played SOE games longer than any other games out there, ever.  Love em, hate em. It doesnt matter. They had zero to do with Perpetual canceling thier craptastic game.

Originally posted by Cerra

Funny stuff here.  Let me start off by saying I <3 SOE. There I said it. I've played SOE games longer than any other games out there, ever.  Love em, hate em. It doesnt matter. They had zero to do with Perpetual canceling thier craptastic game.

Agreed...I had no feelings either way for SOE (never played SWG, which this all stems from)...

So, one game gets trashed thanks to SOE, and now EVERY game that dies is blamed on SOE...

"Did you know SOE was involved with Auto Assault...yea...they looked at the box, and NCSoft closed the game down the next day"

Really...see how stupid that looks...same here for GnH

So, I try EQ2 about almost 2 months ago...and was thoroughly impressed. I remember when the game first came out...how it ran, how it looked.,..yuck!

But, the secret was...they listened, and this game is truly incredible...

Vanguard is now getting reworked by SOE, and people are already starting to talk about how it is stabilizing, and the game is running better..

Ok, so SOE made a decision to make SWG more like the films to attract a wider audience, and it backfired due to the old players hating it, and of course, SW lovers of the movies could not really get into it...so, they lost footing..in a business sense, it was the right choice...make it easier (ala WoW), and use a license a ton of people love...I mean ...what could go wrong?...

It fails...so now every other game they touch should fail as well? Stupid thinking...

GnH had one issue, and one issue only...it sucked. The engine was horrible, controls sucked, it was boring, the UI was crappy...it brought nothing new to the table, and what it was doing that had already been done was crap...

The servers were down more than up, bugs would not go away...basically it all boils down to a crappy Developer...end of story...

Kill the SOE hate now...

Cheers!

IMHO SOE destroys everything they touch. SWG went down the hill since NGE, Vanguard.... unfinished product with bad world wide distribution. Wait.... all SOE games have bad world wide distribution.

Oh, and btw, SOE doesn't have much to do about Gods and Heroes being canceled, unless they pay PE.

so, now we have STO and GW2.... good luck.  oh yeah and WAR and AoC . cheers

Originally posted by Daffid011

That is what Sigil said about Vangaurd and look where that ended up.  I am NOT saying that is the case here, but everyone saw that as a very likely outcome of the sigil/soe deal and the PE/SOE deal has many of the same characteristics.

Lots of people lost interest when SOE got involved.  It doesn't matter how much PE and SOE spun the public relations about it, people saw the possibility.

 

 

Unless they release G&H when its 60% done, there not running into the same problem. Vanguard wasn't a finished game the damn guys at sigil said it when they all got canned. So stop hating on SOE they started the mmo genre.(yes i know ultima and muds were before Everquest, but Everquest started all the rest of the mmos you see out today and doesnt get no credit no more cuz of wack ass wow.

SOE had nothing to do with this. I played in Beta and I think the main reason G & H had problems was because of the minion system.  The system was very cool and made the game fun to play. But it made alot of other things difficult to implement such as PVP. The game also could not be seamless because of the minion system. Towns were zoned because of the minions.

Originally posted by kwai

 

Originally posted by Samuraisword

Everything they touch. PoTBS is next.

Seriously, this game lost a lot of interest from many players once SOE got involved.

 

 

Well i don't really believe that since their only handling the Customer part and has nothing to do with the Development.

Just having SOE attached to a game is enough for many of us to lose interest in it.  There are many people who refuse to buy games that SOE makes money from.

Originally posted by Goldknyght

Originally posted by Daffid011

That is what Sigil said about Vangaurd and look where that ended up.  I am NOT saying that is the case here, but everyone saw that as a very likely outcome of the sigil/soe deal and the PE/SOE deal has many of the same characteristics.

Lots of people lost interest when SOE got involved.  It doesn't matter how much PE and SOE spun the public relations about it, people saw the possibility.

 

 

Unless they release G&H when its 60% done, there not running into the same problem. Vanguard wasn't a finished game the damn guys at sigil said it when they all got canned. So stop hating on SOE they started the mmo genre.(yes i know ultima and muds were before Everquest, but Everquest started all the rest of the mmos you see out today and doesnt get no credit no more cuz of wack ass wow.

When it was announced that Sigil was partnering with SOE to publish Vanguard, the Sigil Vanguard forums erupted with a ton of 'I'm not going to buy this game now' posts.  The majority of the folks who made those posts were pissed off former EQ players.  SOE has done a wonderful job of pissing off a large number of their former customers, to the point where they will no longer buy products SOE is involved with.

EQ was SOE's only success.  Even that success pales in WoW's shadow.  That is why SOE has spent the last three years trying to copy WoW.

Originally posted by Flerondin

IMHO SOE destroys everything they touch. SWG went down the hill since NGE, Vanguard.... unfinished product with bad world wide distribution. Wait.... all SOE games have bad world wide distribution.

Oh, and btw, SOE doesn't have much to do about Gods and Heroes being canceled, unless they pay PE.

so, now we have STO and GW2.... good luck.  oh yeah and WAR and AoC . cheers

SOE destroy Vanguard?Well that new for me.Inform you a lil bit befor u write so  a crap

Originally posted by Souvec

 

Could you please share with us a list of games and their publishers, who have done all you mentioned?  There are plenty of games out there who have had rocky starts, but have become good titles, much like there are games out there that have had near flawless launches but lack severely in good gameplay.

 

Thing is if a game came out in a perfect state, why are we paying monthly fees to play a static game?  I am not saying a subscription price warrants a game to be released under a beta state, but one would expect a game to be updated for the better of the game and its community.

So far from what I have heard about SOE, all the generated hate seems to be a bit mislead.

SWG: Lucas Arts was responsible for the changes made.
Vanguard: Sigil developed the game, and released it after money fell short.  SOE picked it up and is doing a EQ2 style fix to the game, and doing a good job.

These are the only two MAJOR issues I have heard about, connected to SOE.  Then from everything I've gathered from forums, news sites, etc. they aren't even responsible for.  The only game I see SOE responsible for was EQ2.  When it was released, it was considered lackluster, but it was far from not being playable.  Now after the 5000th game update and changes to it, its actually one of the best MMO's to date (my opinion).

I am no SOE fanboy though this post may look like the opposite, but all the hate is just a bit to far fetched and unwarranted.

Sony has a long history of rushed buggy incomplete launches for every game they have put the SOE brand on.  You can't name one game they launched that went well and most likely even was in a good state within a year after launch.  Their title or someone elses they published.  The end point is if the SOE brand was on the box it was craptastic.  I am not even saying all of the launches were their fault, but the fact remains.

SWG was made and designed by SOE, please don't give SOE a free pass because they had to get things approved by Lucas.  The same mistakes were made in most of their other titles so it isn't LA fault and they go FAR FAR FAR beyond just the NGE.

EQ2 was crap performance wise and game design wise at launch.  Even Smedly admitted that recently.  Which is exactly what we are talking about, launches.  If the SOE brand is on the box history lends proof that it will be junk out of the gate.  MAYBE if the title is their flagship and has the best and brightest SOE has to offer it can become a decent game YEARS after it has been on the market.  Not to mention undergone numerous fundemental game mechanic changes and all the damn money grubbing "enhancements" that drive away more players than it attracts, but who wants to pay for a game that takes years to get fixed.  

I may put some hate on the company, but there is a long history from SOE earning it.  There is far more than the NGE, but if it didn't affect you then consider yourself very lucky.  However, don't make an uninformed comment about it only being SWG as it isn't.

SOE FTW! :P

i like soe...other than the swg debacle..(which is LAs fault)....i am having a BLAST in EQ2, and i started 3 months ago!

Sigil was the downfall of VG, and PE was the downfall of GnH....poorly mismanaged companies. The only thing i see SOE guilty of is investing time and resources with POS companies